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| Started by | "Wally" <wwally_5@sun.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-06 07:36 +0100 |
| Last post | 2017-03-07 14:49 +0000 |
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Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms "Wally" <wwally_5@sun.com> - 2017-03-06 07:36 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-03-06 08:38 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-06 11:29 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-06 10:59 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-06 12:37 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-06 11:49 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-06 13:28 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2017-03-06 14:47 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 08:25 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 07:48 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 13:57 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 08:18 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 08:13 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-03-07 09:44 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:00 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:45 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 08:52 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:00 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 09:19 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:48 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:54 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 11:29 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:44 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 13:11 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-03-07 18:14 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 12:32 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 10:51 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:11 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:32 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:45 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 21:57 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 23:08 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 14:13 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-08 00:14 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 15:33 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 16:22 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 17:40 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 23:41 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms "Greg" <greg.vance@once_gte.com> - 2017-03-10 05:07 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-10 09:33 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2017-03-12 05:34 -0400
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 17:39 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 22:41 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 16:26 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <mix@mail.killinit.pw> - 2017-03-12 12:29 +0300
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2017-03-08 02:40 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:50 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:17 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 11:22 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:43 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 11:46 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 10:01 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 13:10 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 15:40 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:48 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 20:15 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 19:32 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:28 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:31 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 20:51 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 11:51 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 20:49 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:50 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:45 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 08:51 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:01 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:53 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 09:57 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 11:44 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 19:03 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 13:41 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 19:31 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Bubonic Betty <thecrusher191919@tearitup.org> - 2017-03-07 20:20 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:26 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 20:51 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 13:50 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 11:53 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:26 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:30 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 15:08 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:22 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:26 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:30 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:37 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:39 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 15:31 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 16:31 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 14:24 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:33 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 14:05 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 15:14 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 16:55 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Tim <myemailhaschanged@comy.net> - 2017-03-07 17:06 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 16:28 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 20:55 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:16 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 14:56 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 13:02 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 14:07 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 16:15 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-03-07 18:04 -0600
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 13:19 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:51 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-06 18:52 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms michaelunowho@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 14:45 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2017-03-07 20:10 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-08 14:48 +1100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-03-08 08:46 -0700
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-08 16:23 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Nathan Hale <nobody@remailer.org.uk> - 2017-03-10 01:28 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-10 09:30 +0100
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2017-03-09 19:07 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-06 13:20 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 14:38 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-03-06 16:07 -0500
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-06 14:53 -0800
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-06 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <mix@mail.killinit.pw> - 2017-03-07 13:21 +0300
Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:49 +0000
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o9n309$2ab$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #101956 |
On 2017-03-07 11:15 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > >> On 2017-03-07, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >>> Alan Browne wrote: >>>> On 2017-03-07 07:57, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Idiot >>>> >>>> Classic reply of the Linux fans. Can't stand the glare of truth. >>> >>> Idiot >>> >>> I own a MacBook, a iMac, a windows machine and several linux machines. >> >> Your Macs likely get more abuse, misuse, and disuse than any other. So >> that's not saying anything. > > Given the fact that OSX is pure, undultered garbage they get very little use > running under OSX. The laptop runs nearly always under linux > LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 20:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei8kmrFshfkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101962 |
On 2017-03-07, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > On 2017-03-07 11:15 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2017-03-07, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >>>> Alan Browne wrote: >>>>> On 2017-03-07 07:57, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Idiot >>>>> >>>>> Classic reply of the Linux fans. >>>> >>>> Idiot >>>> >>>> I own a MacBook, a iMac, >>> >>> Your Macs likely get more abuse, misuse, and disuse than any other. >> >> they get very little use > > LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! ^ Pretty much sums it up, yep. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <EJ-dnQ7CXLxveSPFnZ2dnUU7-YednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #101910 |
On 2017-03-07 09:40, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > I own a MacBook, a iMac, a windows machine and several linux machines. > > You may now guess which OS I prefer most. > And no, it is not OSX. I like that least of all Yes Petey - you've made your Linux rant in that past ... go snooze now. -- "If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics." ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 14:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei7vblFo1hvU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101907 |
On 2017-03-07, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2017-03-07 07:57, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> Alan Browne wrote: >> >>> There are two kinds of Linux users: >>> >>> - those running or developing servers, databases, embedded systems, >>> supercomputers and the like: run and developed by wise men. >>> >>> - those running apps via a hodgepodge of disparate, poorly integrtated >>> and ugly desktop environments that are not supported by actual, useful >>> productivity tools: these are embraced by penny wise fools. >>> >>> This is clearly borne out by the massive number of Linux servers, >>> databases, embedded and the like Linux installations and the paltry >>> proportion of Linux desktops out there v. Windows (of all thing$s) and >>> Mac OS. >>> >>> Linux has been stagnant for a decade - about 2% or less of all desktop >>> environments exposed to the web. Mac OS has been climbing steadily if >>> slowly for a current 11% or so. >>> >>> Of course there is the economic factor to consider - people with means >>> cannot afford free OS' such as Linux. Wastes too much time and doesn't >>> provide the productivity apps required to make a decent living. >>> >> >> Idiot > > Classic reply of the Linux fans. Can't stand the glare of truth. Especially poor Peter. You can almost see the fire coming out of his ears when he screams "Idiot!" at people. : D > If "free" Linux on low cost machines were so great, economics dictates > that it should overwhelm the market (such as Android has done and such > as Linux in the aforementioned server, database, embedded, etc. markets). > > It hasn't because the immense cost of "free" in the desktop arena. Yup. Linux has no unified UX strategy; it's a cluster fuck for desktop usage. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 08:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <5uhtbc1ahs263r5223446ibu82qeaoi0ji@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #101912 |
Jolly Roger wrote: > Linux has no unified UX strategy Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. -- "The Linux community is too divided and there is not a clear leader or example of Linux which convinces people to come over to Linux land." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei80aqFo1hvU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101916 |
On 2017-03-07, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Linux has no unified UX strategy > > Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. > > Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. Desktop Linux is for those whose time has little value. ; ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <EJ-dnQjCXLwOeCPFnZ2dnUU7-YednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #101916 |
On 2017-03-07 09:51, chrisv wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Linux has no unified UX strategy > > Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. > > Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. The freedom to suffer a lot. -- "If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics." ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 09:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o9ms9d$m5n$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #101916 |
On 2017-03-07 6:51 AM, chrisv wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Linux has no unified UX strategy > > Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. > > Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. > Ummmmm... ....no. Choosing an OS that works well and has a wide range of software is not giving up freedom.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D4E44D88.94ED7%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #101942 |
On 3/7/17, 10:57 AM, in article o9ms9d$m5n$1@news.datemas.de, "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > On 2017-03-07 6:51 AM, chrisv wrote: >> Jolly Roger wrote: >> >>> Linux has no unified UX strategy >> >> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >> >> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >> > > Ummmmm... ....no. > > Choosing an OS that works well and has a wide range of software is not > giving up freedom. Really comes down to you are free to choose Linux, Windows, macOS, or even other things if you want. Or, as I do, a mix of them. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 19:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei8eg9Fr8rgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101942 |
On 2017-03-07, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > On 2017-03-07 6:51 AM, chrisv wrote: >> Jolly Roger wrote: >> >>> Linux has no unified UX strategy >> >> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >> >> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. > > Ummmmm... ....no. > > Choosing an OS that works well and has a wide range of software is not > giving up freedom. Yup. My time ain't free. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 13:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <070320171341462375%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101916 |
In article <5uhtbc1ahs263r5223446ibu82qeaoi0ji@4ax.com>, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > Linux has no unified UX strategy > > Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. > > Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 19:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei8g47Fr8rgU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101950 |
On 2017-03-07, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <5uhtbc1ahs263r5223446ibu82qeaoi0ji@4ax.com>, chrisv ><chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >>> Linux has no unified UX strategy >> >> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >> >> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. > > freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. Freedom to spend hours of your "free" time hacking your system, twiddling this or that, recompiling this or that, installing laborious updates, and so on, just so your computer will do what you wanted in the beginning. ; ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Bubonic Betty <thecrusher191919@tearitup.org> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o9n4ln$do$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101957 |
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:31:19 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2017-03-07, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> In article <5uhtbc1ahs263r5223446ibu82qeaoi0ji@4ax.com>, chrisv >><chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >>>> Linux has no unified UX strategy >>> >>> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >>> >>> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >> >> freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. > > Freedom to spend hours of your "free" time hacking your system, > twiddling this or that, recompiling this or that, installing laborious > updates, and so on, just so your computer will do what you wanted in the > beginning. ; ) The Linux users in COLA have been challenged to produce a video demonstrating how Linux is superior at P.E.E. Productivity. Error Reduction Efficiency And they have never been able to do it. They enjoy telling others how superior Linux is but when it comes to actually showing it, they can't so instead they run away and hide behind kill files, as you have discovered. And when they do point out Linux's strengths they are always the same ones that nobody disagrees with like package management, access to source code, free and such. Ask a Linux user to go beyond that and show how say Ubuntu is superior for an end user as compared to Windows 10 and they will run away. Ask them to post a video demonstrating superiority of Linux and they suddenly disappear. Crickets comes to mind.
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 21:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o9n4t4$1t8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101957 |
Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2017-03-07, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> In article <5uhtbc1ahs263r5223446ibu82qeaoi0ji@4ax.com>, chrisv >><chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >>>> Linux has no unified UX strategy >>> >>> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >>> >>> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >> >> freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. > > Freedom to spend hours of your "free" time hacking your system, > twiddling this or that, recompiling this or that, installing laborious > updates, and so on, just so your computer will do what you wanted in the > beginning. ; ) > Idiot
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei8kq0FshfkU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101978 |
On 2017-03-07, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > >> On 2017-03-07, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> In article <5uhtbc1ahs263r5223446ibu82qeaoi0ji@4ax.com>, chrisv >>><chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>> Linux has no unified UX strategy >>>> >>>> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >>>> >>>> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >>> >>> freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. >> >> Freedom to spend hours of your "free" time hacking your system, >> twiddling this or that, recompiling this or that, installing laborious >> updates, and so on, just so your computer will do what you wanted in the >> beginning. ; ) > > Idiot Nope, just a grown-up who is paid well to work in the hardware and software design and development fields who values his free time way more than Linux dweebs. What Linux zealots will never get is sometimes the computer should work for *you* rather than the other way around. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 13:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <543ubcl1infvmja1ovafltctpeg186a90d@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #101950 |
nospam wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >> >> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. > > freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. There is no question that the apps advantage of Windows (and, to a lesser extent, Mac) is important, in many situations. But not 98% of situations. With so much computing now being Web-based, many would be better-served by GNU/Linux, but do not know it. The monopolists keep the Free alternative out of the public eye, so that it remains "obscure". The sheep are kept in the flock largely by fear of the unknown. -- "What IS it with all these idiots wanting their own distro? Do they get their own Windows? No." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 11:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o9n32t$2ab$2@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #101960 |
On 2017-03-07 11:50 AM, chrisv wrote: > nospam wrote: > >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >>> >>> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >> >> freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. > > There is no question that the apps advantage of Windows (and, to a > lesser extent, Mac) is important, in many situations. But not 98% of > situations. With so much computing now being Web-based, many would be > better-served by GNU/Linux, but do not know it. > > The monopolists keep the Free alternative out of the public eye, so > that it remains "obscure". The sheep are kept in the flock largely by > fear of the unknown. > How do these "monopolists" do that, exactly? Tell us PRECISELY what Apple has done to keep Linux "out of the public eye".
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 21:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o9n4sm$1t8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101963 |
Alan Baker wrote: > On 2017-03-07 11:50 AM, chrisv wrote: >> nospam wrote: >> >>> chrisv wrote: >>>> >>>> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >>>> >>>> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >>> >>> freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. >> >> There is no question that the apps advantage of Windows (and, to a >> lesser extent, Mac) is important, in many situations. But not 98% of >> situations. With so much computing now being Web-based, many would be >> better-served by GNU/Linux, but do not know it. >> >> The monopolists keep the Free alternative out of the public eye, so >> that it remains "obscure". The sheep are kept in the flock largely by >> fear of the unknown. >> > > How do these "monopolists" do that, exactly? > Simple. The OS is preinstalled, ready to use. This is true for windows and OSX. Most of the users would not dare to install /any/ OS (no matter which one) on their computer, they are only able to use them, but not to install the OS. This fact alone keeps linux off those computers in most cases. My wife has used a linux machine for more than 10 years without missing anything (and she is a teacher). She would never attempt to install a OS.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 12:30 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o9n5a2$5fk$4@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #101976 |
On 2017-03-07 12:26 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > >> On 2017-03-07 11:50 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> nospam wrote: >>> >>>> chrisv wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. >>>>> >>>>> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. >>>> >>>> freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. >>> >>> There is no question that the apps advantage of Windows (and, to a >>> lesser extent, Mac) is important, in many situations. But not 98% of >>> situations. With so much computing now being Web-based, many would be >>> better-served by GNU/Linux, but do not know it. >>> >>> The monopolists keep the Free alternative out of the public eye, so >>> that it remains "obscure". The sheep are kept in the flock largely by >>> fear of the unknown. >>> >> >> How do these "monopolists" do that, exactly? >> > > Simple. The OS is preinstalled, ready to use. This is true for windows and > OSX. And that prevents Linux from getting in the public eye in other ways... ...how? > Most of the users would not dare to install /any/ OS (no matter which one) > on their computer, they are only able to use them, but not to install the > OS. > > This fact alone keeps linux off those computers in most cases. > > My wife has used a linux machine for more than 10 years without missing > anything (and she is a teacher). She would never attempt to install a OS. >
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-07 15:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <070320171508394120%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101960 |
In article <543ubcl1infvmja1ovafltctpeg186a90d@4ax.com>, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> Some people like to be part of a herd, some people prefer freedom. > >> > >> Desktop Linux is for those who prefer freedom. > > > > freedom of having the least amount of software from which to choose. > > There is no question that the apps advantage of Windows (and, to a > lesser extent, Mac) is important, in many situations. exactly why linux has failed on the desktop. if someone can't run the apps they need to run, linux is not an option. at all. and macs have the *most* options for software, given that a mac can natively run all mac/windows/linux apps, all on the same box. > But not 98% of > situations. a number you made up. > With so much computing now being Web-based, many would be > better-served by GNU/Linux, but do not know it. those who do little more than web surf and email might be ok with web-based solutions, but the majority won't for a whole shitload of reasons, namely privacy and that the size of data is often too big to be practical for web solutions, such as video editing. > The monopolists keep the Free alternative out of the public eye, so > that it remains "obscure". The sheep are kept in the flock largely by > fear of the unknown. nonsense. nobody is keeping anything out of the public eye. people are well aware of all of the options. the problem is they have real work to do, not screw around with free apps that claim to be 'equivalent' and are usually far worse and much slower, resulting in lower productivity. that makes 'free' more expensive than paid. the simple fact that something that's free can't compete with something that costs money says a lot, none of it good. linux is only 'free' if your time is worth nothing.
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