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| Started by | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| First post | 2017-02-28 04:26 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 20 participants |
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What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 04:26 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 04:31 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 03:24 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-02-28 04:29 -0600
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-02-28 10:37 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 05:39 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 05:36 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:10 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 20:01 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 04:55 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-01 13:55 +0100
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 09:15 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-03-01 15:05 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:29 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:38 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:31 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-01 18:58 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:56 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:54 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:53 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 19:14 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:30 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 21:38 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 12:49 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 19:28 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:45 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:50 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:08 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:46 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:26 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:25 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 13:52 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:30 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:38 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:20 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-02 20:42 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:46 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:05 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:08 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:48 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 21:13 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 03:49 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 08:24 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:11 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:10 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 11:47 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 17:16 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:05 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:54 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:23 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:50 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 19:53 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-03-03 04:44 -0800
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:48 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:09 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 00:57 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 16:03 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:57 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 14:04 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:52 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 08:17 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 14:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:24 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:31 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:49 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:54 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:04 +0000
Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 18:57 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:24 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-01 14:46 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:09 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:33 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:01 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-03-03 04:46 -0800
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 15:02 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-03 17:15 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 21:47 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:33 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:17 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 20:27 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:56 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:30 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 03:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-03 04:10 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-03 17:03 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 16:03 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:36 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:35 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 14:55 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:36 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:46 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 23:52 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 13:13 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 00:45 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:43 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-01 15:01 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 15:02 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 20:41 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:48 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:50 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 19:55 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 13:59 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:18 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:17 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:36 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:43 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:58 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:35 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:41 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 22:51 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 18:25 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 23:43 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:00 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 19:57 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 18:48 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 00:56 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:06 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:20 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:33 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 19:18 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 08:03 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-03 18:29 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 15:50 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-01 21:00 -0800
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 20:00 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:38 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:19 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:39 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 15:22 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 22:08 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:40 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-03 13:21 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:06 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-04 01:27 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 04:28 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 23:29 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:06 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:54 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:13 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:20 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:19 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:08 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:21 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:06 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:40 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:24 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 15:51 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-28 18:51 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-02-28 17:24 -0800
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-01 07:52 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500
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| From | "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 16:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <f3DtA.12574$KO.5091@fx18.fr7> |
| In reply to | #101534 |
On 01/03/2017 16:00, nospam wrote a great response! :-) -- "Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 13:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DC82F90129FB57B02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101542 |
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 11:56:43 -0500, David B. wrote (in article <f3DtA.12574$KO.5091@fx18.fr7>): > On 01/03/2017 16:00, nospam wrote a great response! :-) As he always does. -- Nelson
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 13:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101534 |
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 11:00:25 -0500, nospam wrote (in article <010320171100258438%nospam@nospam.invalid>): > In article <0001HW.D4DC04D7010C6BB7B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson > <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>>> Hmm. I'm using Snow Leopard and Time Machine so that's a "No"? >>>> >>>> why are you still using snow leopard??? >> >> Why are you not? > > because it's very old So am I :) Old is not a reason to upgrade per se. > no longer supported Heh. Like the current version is? > and most apps require at > least mavericks or yosemite, if not later. Apps which appeared after those versions, perhaps. But I haven't seen a compelling novel app (on the order of, say, Excel or Photoshop) that would drive an upgrade. > >>> A good question. >> >> And one I've answered before :) Snow Leopard meets my needs and I have >> yet to see a benefit in the newer systems that would justify the cost >> in both time, aggravation, and dollars to upgrade. Not to mention >> there are "features" I would pay _not_ to have. Upgrading the system >> is the least of the problems. It is upgrading all the apps that I find >> off-putting. Plus losing the ones that rely on Rosetta. > > there is no cost. upgrading is completely free. Upgrading the OS perhaps. The App vendors are not so magnanimous. > > you do lose rosetta, but that's about it. however, any app that hasn't > been updated to run on intel is abandonware and is not getting bug > fixes or security. Every bug they fix, they introduce two more. And besides the OS upgrade introduces a host of new bugs because of the change in the OS itself. Rather the bugs I know than the ones I don't :) > >> There is also the issue of data. It has already become painfully >> difficult to open files created with older versions of Filemaker, Word, >> Excel, etc. Along with the application upgrades, I would have to >> upgrade all these older formats. > > nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. > >> I know that all these things are do-able and that there are ways around >> the problems. But what do I gain? A crappy interface, a locked-down >> computer that can only install apps via the App Store, > > nonsense. there is no lockdown. you can install apps from anywhere you > want without issue. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-sierra-tidbits-apple-file- system-raid-support-and-more.1977440/page-5 > >> Applescript >> riddled with bugs, Big Brother Apple constantly communicating with my >> computer and trying to force me to use their "cloud" so that I can >> connect to all the "Social Networks" that I abhor? > > nobody is forcing anything. If you already have one, you probably don't realize how many times someone who doesn't gets prompted to create one. If you turn on Little Snitch, you are deluged with constant requests to connect to the Apple Mothership. All the default behaviors assume you want to be part of the Appleverse and it takes a lot of effort to opt out. > >> Synching between all >> the iToys that I don't own? > > how would it sync to something you don't own? It wouldn't. The point is that's a function I don't need and hence will not be upgrading to get. > >> A bunch of new bugs which will probably >> never be addressed because Cook has lost interest in the Mac? > > tim cook has not lost interest in the mac. more bullshit. > apple is actively working on mac os and mac hardware, and unlike snow > leopard, sierra is getting bug fixes and security fixes. More bullshit. > >> Opinions and needs differ, I know. But until I can find a compelling >> argument to upgrade I won't. > > opinions and needs may differ, except that yours are based on > completely bogus information. Well, thank you for disabusing me. -- Nelson
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o976im$jc8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101554 |
In article <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 11:00:25 -0500, nospam wrote >(in article <010320171100258438%nospam@nospam.invalid>): > >> and most apps require at >> least mavericks or yosemite, if not later. > >Apps which appeared after those versions, perhaps. But I haven't seen >a compelling novel app (on the order of, say, Excel or Photoshop) that >would drive an upgrade. You can use Office 2011 and Creative Suite 5 on newer versions of Mac OS. >> there is no cost. upgrading is completely free. > >Upgrading the OS perhaps. The App vendors are not so magnanimous. Just checking--have you gone into System Profiler to verify how many PowerPC apps you actually have? It may be fewer than you think. I only found, I think, four that I actually cared about. One of those was Eudora, which I'll be replacing with the free Apple Mail in the new OS. I'll have to buy a new app to track my bank accounts. As for AppleWorks and FileMaker, I've either converted, exported, or dumped those files. >> you do lose rosetta, but that's about it. however, any app that hasn't >> been updated to run on intel is abandonware and is not getting bug >> fixes or security. > >Every bug they fix, they introduce two more. And besides the OS >upgrade introduces a host of new bugs because of the change in the OS >itself. Rather the bugs I know than the ones I don't :) You're being hyperbolic about bugs. >> nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. > >For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. >Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current >version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. Yeah, "nospam" must be looking at a limited timeframe to make a statement like that. >> nonsense. there is no lockdown. you can install apps from anywhere you >> want without issue. > >https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-sierra-tidbits-apple-file- >system-raid-support-and-more.1977440/page-5 Someone else replied to your comment saying that you can install apps from other sites as long as they have the proper Apple authorization, so that may not be an issue for you after all. (Although I don't see how it would keep you from getting the apps you need anyway.) >> nobody is forcing anything. > >If you already have one, you probably don't realize how many times >someone who doesn't gets prompted to create one. If you turn on Little >Snitch, you are deluged with constant requests to connect to the Apple >Mothership. Is this some application that you're currently using on SL? If so, then how would the situation be any more annoying if you upgrade your OS? It doesn't even sound like an Apple program, so I don't know why it would want you to connect to Apple's servers rather than ones from its own developer. >> opinions and needs may differ, except that yours are based on >> completely bogus information. > >Well, thank you for disabusing me. I think you may be jumping to some unwarranted conclusions, but you certainly aren't wrong about having to convert some older files and buy some new programs. Patty
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <010320171430104829%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101561 |
In article <o976im$jc8$3@dont-email.me>, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > >> nonsense. there is no lockdown. you can install apps from anywhere you > >> want without issue. > > > >https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-sierra-tidbits-apple-file- > >system-raid-support-and-more.1977440/page-5 > > Someone else replied to your comment saying that you can install apps > from other sites as long as they have the proper Apple authorization, > so that may not be an issue for you after all. (Although I don't see > how it would keep you from getting the apps you need anyway.) there is *no* need for apple authorization whatsofuckingever to run something. where do people come up with this shit?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 19:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eholr2Fm1sfU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101561 |
On 2017-03-01, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > In article <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>Upgrading the OS perhaps. The App vendors are not so magnanimous. > > Just checking--have you gone into System Profiler to verify how many > PowerPC apps you actually have? It may be fewer than you think. I only > found, I think, four that I actually cared about. One of those was > Eudora, which I'll be replacing with the free Apple Mail in the new > OS. I'll have to buy a new app to track my bank accounts. As for > AppleWorks and FileMaker, I've either converted, exported, or dumped > those files. Good suggestion! >>> nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. >> >>For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. >>Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current >>version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. > > Yeah, "nospam" must be looking at a limited timeframe to make a > statement like that. I don't get that response either. Try opening an AppleWorks file in Sierra sometime. Not gonna happen. : ) >>> nonsense. there is no lockdown. you can install apps from anywhere >>> you want without issue. >> >>https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-sierra-tidbits-apple-file- >>system-raid-support-and-more.1977440/page-5 > > Someone else replied to your comment saying that you can install apps > from other sites as long as they have the proper Apple authorization, > so that may not be an issue for you after all. (Although I don't see > how it would keep you from getting the apps you need anyway.) Actually, you can install anything from anywhere. To launch an unsigned app, you just right-click the app and choose Open. It's no obstacle. >>> nobody is forcing anything. >> >>If you already have one, you probably don't realize how many times >>someone who doesn't gets prompted to create one. If you turn on >>Little Snitch, you are deluged with constant requests to connect to >>the Apple Mothership. > > Is this some application that you're currently using on SL? If so, > then how would the situation be any more annoying if you upgrade your > OS? It doesn't even sound like an Apple program, so I don't know why > it would want you to connect to Apple's servers rather than ones from > its own developer. There are no constant requests. And iClould and social networking features are completely opt-in. He's making it up. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 21:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o97f0n$uen$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101567 |
In article <eholr2Fm1sfU7@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >On 2017-03-01, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >> >> Someone else replied to your comment saying that you can install apps >> from other sites as long as they have the proper Apple authorization, >> so that may not be an issue for you after all. (Although I don't see >> how it would keep you from getting the apps you need anyway.) > >Actually, you can install anything from anywhere. To launch an unsigned >app, you just right-click the app and choose Open. It's no obstacle. Oh yes, I remember doing that once a while back. So the App Store isn't an issue at all. >> Is this some application that you're currently using on SL? If so, >> then how would the situation be any more annoying if you upgrade your >> OS? It doesn't even sound like an Apple program, so I don't know why >> it would want you to connect to Apple's servers rather than ones from >> its own developer. > >There are no constant requests. And iClould and social networking >features are completely opt-in. He's making it up. Yeah, I don't understand what's going on there. I use iCloud occasionally but never get prompts to do so. Patty
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 12:49 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1n29d21.1cnird4gaevy3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #101567 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-01, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > > In article <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, > > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> nospam wrote: > >>> nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. > >> > >>For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. > >>Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current > >>version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. > > > > Yeah, "nospam" must be looking at a limited timeframe to make a > > statement like that. > > I don't get that response either. Try opening an AppleWorks file in > Sierra sometime. Not gonna happen. : ) That particular case works for me: AppleWorks 6 WP/SS files open in Pages 4.3 or Numbers 2.3 (the iWork '09 versions, not the current versions). Not so good for AppleWorks/ClarisWorks 5 or earlier (need a copy of AppleWorks 6 to convert them), nor for AppleWorks draw or paint documents (which can be managed by copying their content into another document type while running AppleWorks 6), nor AppleWorks databases (as far as I know, they are a dead end short of exporting textual data and doing a lot of hard work or possibly AppleScript to get images out of them, and needing to recreate layouts/reports manually). Also note that LibreOffice and friends can directly open many AppleWorks document types. I haven't tested it heavily. FileMaker Pro 3-4 is a red herring because that version doesn't run on Snow Leopard either. Whichever version Nelson is running could convert those databases to the version 5-6 or 7-11 format. FileMaker Pro 5-6 databases can be converted to the latest version (12+) using any of version 7-11 as an interim step. Version 11 still works on Sierra (albeit not officially supported), and is available as a free trial. (Version 11 can also convert those FileMaker Pro 3 files.) Some cleanup work may be needed on scripts, and it is often better to redesign the database to use features in modern versions, but at least you can run the converted old database and have it handy for data extraction and comparison. Small matter of needing to buy a current version, so there is the financial disincentive, but losing access to old documents is not a valid argument in this case. In cases where software has been abandoned or has no easy/affordable solution for document conversion, a VM running Snow Leopard Server is one way to keep running the old software. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 19:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DCD147013C5569B02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101590 |
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:49:15 -0500, David Empson wrote (in article <1n29d21.1cnird4gaevy3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>): > FileMaker Pro 3-4 is a red herring because that version doesn't run on Snow > Leopard either. Whichever version Nelson is running could convert those > databases to the version 5-6 or 7-11 format. Of course I don't run those versions :) But I have databases in those formats that I haven't opened in a while. To get them to open I had to download a copy of fmp 11, convert them to that format, then fmp 12 would convert them to the current format. The context of the question was a counterexample to nospam's assertion that all new apps can open older files. I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't open. I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg. I haven't looked at Excel or PowerPoint or Appleworks/Clarisworks. Then there's MacDraw :) -- Nelson
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 13:45 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1n29i2g.oq3l3kz17ubrN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #101592 |
Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:49:15 -0500, David Empson wrote > (in article <1n29d21.1cnird4gaevy3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>): > > > FileMaker Pro 3-4 is a red herring because that version doesn't run on Snow > > Leopard either. Whichever version Nelson is running could convert those > > databases to the version 5-6 or 7-11 format. > > Of course I don't run those versions :) But I have databases in those > formats that I haven't opened in a while. To get them to open I had to > download a copy of fmp 11, convert them to that format, then fmp 12 > would convert them to the current format. > > The context of the question was a counterexample to nospam's assertion > that all new apps can open older files. Then come up with a more reasonable example. There is a well documented conversion path for older FileMaker Pro documents. > I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't > open. It may in fact open them, just not by double-clicking the document in Finder (or drag and drop to the application icon). Try File > Open. > I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg. I haven't looked > at Excel or PowerPoint or Appleworks/Clarisworks. Then there's MacDraw > :) Excel and PowerPoint should be similar to Word. I mentoned AppleWorks/ClarisWorks options. I have no experience with MacDraw, but AppleWorks may be an appropriate go-between. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <020320170042321577%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101592 |
In article <0001HW.D4DCD147013C5569B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > > FileMaker Pro 3-4 is a red herring because that version doesn't run on Snow > > Leopard either. Whichever version Nelson is running could convert those > > databases to the version 5-6 or 7-11 format. > > Of course I don't run those versions :) But I have databases in those > formats that I haven't opened in a while. To get them to open I had to > download a copy of fmp 11, convert them to that format, then fmp 12 > would convert them to the current format. if you haven't opened those files in a while (where 'a while' is 20+ years), then they're not particularly important. that means they're hardly a reason to stay with snow leopard, and you'd probably have difficulty working with them in snow leopard too. > The context of the question was a counterexample to nospam's assertion > that all new apps can open older files. i didn't say all. there are always edge cases. > I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't > open. I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg. I haven't looked > at Excel or PowerPoint or Appleworks/Clarisworks. Then there's MacDraw > :) plenty of apps can read legacy microsoft formats, which means that word files can be easily opened in sierra without any issue whatsoever.
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 18:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o99pi8$l3p$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101592 |
In article <0001HW.D4DCD147013C5569B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't >open. Are they Word 1x-5x files? Just open them in Word 6 or higher and resave them, and they'll be fine. Although I suppose MS might drop support for .doc files sometime, so if you open them in a version that can resave them as .docx, that might be safer. Anyone else here have insight into that? Patty
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 14:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DDD7C80179DB4FB01029BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101660 |
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:50:48 -0500, Patty Winter wrote (in article <o99pi8$l3p$6@dont-email.me>): > > In article <0001HW.D4DCD147013C5569B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >> I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't >> open. > > Are they Word 1x-5x files? Just open them in Word 6 or higher and > resave them, and they'll be fine. Although I suppose MS might drop > support for .doc files sometime, so if you open them in a version > that can resave them as .docx, that might be safer. Anyone else here > have insight into that? You may want to double check that. I know I couldn't open Word 3 files with Word 14.0.1. See the second post in this thread: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20111230095628470 I had the same experience. I can still read paper documents that I wrote in grammar school however :) I can recover all these old files if necessary because I still have the old computers with the old software available. But it's a huge pain in the ass. Some of the older ones can't even be networked. -- Nelson
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <020320171426124273%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101668 |
In article <0001HW.D4DDD7C80179DB4FB01029BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't > >> open. > > > > Are they Word 1x-5x files? Just open them in Word 6 or higher and > > resave them, and they'll be fine. Although I suppose MS might drop > > support for .doc files sometime, so if you open them in a version > > that can resave them as .docx, that might be safer. Anyone else here > > have insight into that? > > You may want to double check that. I know I couldn't open Word 3 files > with Word 14.0.1. See the second post in this thread: > > http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20111230095628470 > > I had the same experience. there are other methods than word 14.0.1 > I can still read paper documents that I wrote in grammar school however > :) you still have them? > I can recover all these old files if necessary because I still have the > old computers with the old software available. But it's a huge pain in > the ass. it's actually trivial. > Some of the older ones can't even be networked. all macs can be networked and nearly all pcs.
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 14:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DDE0C8017BF749B01029BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101673 |
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:26:12 -0500, nospam wrote (in article <020320171426124273%nospam@nospam.invalid>): > In article <0001HW.D4DDD7C80179DB4FB01029BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson > <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>> I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't >>>> open. >>> >>> Are they Word 1x-5x files? Just open them in Word 6 or higher and >>> resave them, and they'll be fine. Although I suppose MS might drop >>> support for .doc files sometime, so if you open them in a version >>> that can resave them as .docx, that might be safer. Anyone else here >>> have insight into that? >> >> You may want to double check that. I know I couldn't open Word 3 files >> with Word 14.0.1. See the second post in this thread: >> >> http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20111230095628470 >> >> I had the same experience. > > there are other methods than word 14.0.1 > >> I can still read paper documents that I wrote in grammar school however >>>> > > you still have them? You don't? > >> I can recover all these old files if necessary because I still have the >> old computers with the old software available. But it's a huge pain in >> the ass. > > it's actually trivial. You try climbing through my attic. Hoping they boot up. And then trying to remember how they work. > >> Some of the older ones can't even be networked. > > all macs can be networked and nearly all pcs. The earlier Macs used AppleTalk for networking. They don't talk 802.3. Even with a third party Ethernet card and driver software I seem to recall that the current Mac's do not recognize them on the network. The file sharing protocol is different. It's been a while since I tried. Probably can't email the files because dial-up access to the email servers is gone. Can't copy them to a floppy because floppy. Can't copy them to a hard disk because the formats are different and the newer Macs don't have SCSI ports. I'm sure it's possible but far from trivial. -- Nelson
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 14:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <020320171458059055%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101677 |
In article <0001HW.D4DDE0C8017BF749B01029BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> Some of the older ones can't even be networked. > > > > all macs can be networked and nearly all pcs. > > The earlier Macs used AppleTalk for networking. which means they can be networked. > They don't talk 802.3. > Even with a third party Ethernet card and driver software I seem to > recall that the current Mac's do not recognize them on the network. > The file sharing protocol is different. It's been a while since I > tried. appleshare won't work, but other methods will. > Probably can't email the files because dial-up access to the email > servers is gone. Can't copy them to a floppy because floppy. Can't > copy them to a hard disk because the formats are different and the > newer Macs don't have SCSI ports. they can be emailed or copied to a hard drive. copying to another floppy makes no sense. > I'm sure it's possible but far from trivial. you didn't say they were still on floppies, but it's still trivial, just slightly less so. the only issue is if the floppies are not readable, in which case it doesn't matter what apps can read it.
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o99rkj$l3p$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101668 |
In article <0001HW.D4DDD7C80179DB4FB01029BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:50:48 -0500, Patty Winter wrote >(in article <o99pi8$l3p$6@dont-email.me>): >> In article <0001HW.D4DCD147013C5569B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, >> Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>> I also have a bunch of old Word files that the current version won't >>> open. >> >> Are they Word 1x-5x files? Just open them in Word 6 or higher and >> resave them, and they'll be fine. Although I suppose MS might drop >> support for .doc files sometime, so if you open them in a version >> that can resave them as .docx, that might be safer. Anyone else here >> have insight into that? > >You may want to double check that. I know I couldn't open Word 3 files >with Word 14.0.1. I don't know what variations there were in the file formats of Word 1 through Word 5. I just know that a few weeks ago I found a bunch of files on my iMac whose type was listed as "Microsoft Word 1x-5x document" and most of them opened fine in Word 2011 (aka Word 14). They were not double-clickable, but I was able to open them from within Word and then resave them as .doc files. I just checked my archive folder, and Word 2011 is not recognizing files created before 1988. As in, even if I force Word to open the file using the "Recover text from any file" option, it comes in as garbage characters. So if you have Word files from 1987 or earlier, they will need to be run through Word 6 (or maybe a slightly later version?) first before you can use them in Word 2011. Patty
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 01:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ehpajtFqs1hU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101590 |
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2017-03-01, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >>> In article <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, >>> Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> nospam wrote: >>>>> nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. >>>> >>>> For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. >>>> Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current >>>> version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. >>> >>> Yeah, "nospam" must be looking at a limited timeframe to make a >>> statement like that. >> >> I don't get that response either. Try opening an AppleWorks file in >> Sierra sometime. Not gonna happen. : ) > > That particular case works for me: AppleWorks 6 WP/SS files open in > Pages 4.3 or Numbers 2.3 (the iWork '09 versions, not the current > versions). > > Not so good for AppleWorks/ClarisWorks 5 or earlier (need a copy of > AppleWorks 6 to convert them), nor for AppleWorks draw or paint > documents (which can be managed by copying their content into another > document type while running AppleWorks 6), nor AppleWorks databases (as > far as I know, they are a dead end short of exporting textual data and > doing a lot of hard work or possibly AppleScript to get images out of > them, and needing to recreate layouts/reports manually). Exactly. And that was just one example. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 13:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobg914.au9.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101590 |
In message <1n29d21.1cnird4gaevy3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2017-03-01, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >> > In article <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, >> > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >> nospam wrote: >> >>> nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. >> >> >> >>For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. >> >>Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current >> >>version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. >> > >> > Yeah, "nospam" must be looking at a limited timeframe to make a >> > statement like that. >> >> I don't get that response either. Try opening an AppleWorks file in >> Sierra sometime. Not gonna happen. : ) > That particular case works for me: AppleWorks 6 WP/SS files open in > Pages 4.3 or Numbers 2.3 (the iWork '09 versions, not the current > versions). If you are fortunate enough to still have Pages '09, yes. But as far as I know, you cannot INSTALL Pages '09 on a Sierra Mac because the installer is PPC and Pages installs more than jsut the Application (though, for the simple expedience of conversion, you probably only need the App, and that is recoverable from opening the packages on the disc. And, you also need a disc unless you had the foresight to keep a DMG around for the last 8 years. And an optical drive, of course. I had an image file of iWork '09 for a long time but I believe i lost it in a catastrophic two-raid failure a few years ago (yes, two different RAIDs failed, one while it was restoring the other. Many things were lost that didn't have off-site backups. None were important, but some where annoying). -- And she was looking at herself And things were looking like a movie She had a pleasant elevation She's moving out in all directions
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1n2azuf.1nd1xbhmdmu1rN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #101626 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <1n29d21.1cnird4gaevy3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson > <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > >> On 2017-03-01, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > >> > In article <0001HW.D4DC82C60129EF63B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, > >> > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> >> nospam wrote: > >> >>> nonsense. apps can open older versions of files without issue. > >> >> > >> >>For someone so often wrong, you certainly speak with great certainty. > >> >>Have you ever tried to open a Filemaker 3 file with the current > >> >>version? Try it and stop back to let us know what happened. > >> > > >> > Yeah, "nospam" must be looking at a limited timeframe to make a > >> > statement like that. > >> > >> I don't get that response either. Try opening an AppleWorks file in > >> Sierra sometime. Not gonna happen. : ) > > > That particular case works for me: AppleWorks 6 WP/SS files open in > > Pages 4.3 or Numbers 2.3 (the iWork '09 versions, not the current > > versions). > > If you are fortunate enough to still have Pages '09, yes. But as far as > I know, you cannot INSTALL Pages '09 on a Sierra Mac because the > installer is PPC and Pages installs more than jsut the Application > (though, for the simple expedience of conversion, you probably only need > the App, and that is recoverable from opening the packages on the disc. I was able to install iWork '09 from DVD recently on an Intel Mac running El Capitan. It certainly isn't a PPC-only installer. Only the very early minor versions even ran on Leopard therefore a PPC Mac. I happen to have the installer handy and it works on Sierra. For anyone going down this route: the iWork 9.3 update needs to be installed manually because Software Update doens't offer it any more. It can be downloaded here: https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1563 The iWork '08 versions (Pages 3.x and Numbers 1.x) can also convert AppleWorks documents, and that version also appears to run on Sierra (I haven't tried it for more than a brief test as I haven't used it regularly for more than six years). I don't have the installer handy for that version, but it dates back to August 2007 which increases the chance that it might not work on recent systems. > And, you also need a disc unless you had the foresight to keep a DMG > around for the last 8 years. And an optical drive, of course. I have certainly kept my iWork '09 DVD, which I got as part of a Mac Box Set family pack with iLife '11 and Snow Leopard. iWork '09 has been available from places like Amazon in recent years. > I had an image file of iWork '09 for a long time but I believe i lost it > in a catastrophic two-raid failure a few years ago (yes, two different > RAIDs failed, one while it was restoring the other. Many things were lost > that didn't have off-site backups. None were important, but some where > annoying). -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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