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  Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 08:44 -0500
    Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 09:29 -0500
      Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 10:42 -0500
        Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 12:11 -0500
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 14:07 -0500
    Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-11 10:02 -0500
      Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:42 -0500
        Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-02-11 10:17 -0700
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:10 -0500
            Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-11 13:32 -0500
              Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-11 13:36 -0500
              Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-12 00:05 -0500
                  Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 01:42 -0500
                    Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-12 13:37 -0500
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-11 13:13 -0500
        Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-02-11 10:05 -0800
      Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 10:49 -0500
    Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-11 15:00 -0500
      Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 15:04 -0500
        Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-12 11:41 -0500
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-12 16:59 +0000
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-12 18:13 -0500
            Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-12 23:51 +0000
              Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-12 18:58 -0500
                Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-12 17:11 -0700
                Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-13 01:22 +0000
            Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-12 23:37 -0500
              Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-13 14:42 +0000
              Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-13 15:07 -0500
                Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-13 12:20 -0800
                  Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-14 10:50 -0500
                    Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-14 09:58 -0800
                      Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-14 18:51 -0500
                Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-13 21:25 +0100
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-16 01:24 +0100
    Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 16:44 -0500
      Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-11 23:04 +0000
        Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 18:26 -0500
          Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-11 23:39 +0000
            Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-11 18:43 -0500
            Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-11 18:58 -0500
            Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-16 01:27 +0100

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#100230

On 2017-02-11 15:04, Alan Browne wrote:
> It happened immediately after I moved 7 folders into the newly created 
> target (desktop) folder which had not yet been de-selected for TM BU.

Have you tried the "locate" command in command line.

such as sudo locate myvideo.mov

Would eliminate the case where the videos were misplaced into some other
directory.

What happens when you try to move 44GB of files into a folder that is
"iCloudable" when your Apple account only allows 5GB ?  Does it say
"Sorry Allan, I'm affraid I can't do that".

In other words, does iCloud act as a disk with 5GB capacity and when you
reach it, you get "disk full" errors ? Or does it prompt you to buy more
storage etc ?

Also, and more to the core, what is an iCloudable folder? Is it a
glorified mount point to a remote disk ?

Or is it a regular dorectory/folder in the local file system, and files
are initially deposited there, but once the copy to iCloud has been
made, the physical file is removed and replaced by a soft link to the
remote file ? (aka: on a file by file basis).

Or put it differently, does

ls -l of a newly created file change after it has had time to be copied
to iCloud ?

Is there line command to show whether a directory is "iCloudable" ?


> iCloud was on at the time but "Desktop & Documents" in the iCloud 
> settings was unchecked (as it has been since I started using iCloud to 
> sync other stuff).

I take it "Documents" above referes to the default folder created with
accounts as opposed to "any and all files that OS_X considers to be a
document ?

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#100231

On 2017-02-12, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-02-11 15:04, Alan Browne wrote:
>> It happened immediately after I moved 7 folders into the newly created 
>> target (desktop) folder which had not yet been de-selected for TM BU.
>
> Have you tried the "locate" command in command line.
>
> such as sudo locate myvideo.mov
>
> Would eliminate the case where the videos were misplaced into some other
> directory.

Bad advice. The antiquated locate sucks ass and is not enabled in
default macOS installations; use mdfind instead.

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#100244

On 2017-02-12 11:41, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2017-02-11 15:04, Alan Browne wrote:
>> It happened immediately after I moved 7 folders into the newly created
>> target (desktop) folder which had not yet been de-selected for TM BU.
>
> Have you tried the "locate" command in command line.
>
> such as sudo locate myvideo.mov
>
> Would eliminate the case where the videos were misplaced into some other
> directory.
>
> What happens when you try to move 44GB of files into a folder that is
> "iCloudable" when your Apple account only allows 5GB ?  Does it say
> "Sorry Allan, I'm affraid I can't do that".
>
> In other words, does iCloud act as a disk with 5GB capacity and when you
> reach it, you get "disk full" errors ? Or does it prompt you to buy more
> storage etc ?
>
> Also, and more to the core, what is an iCloudable folder? Is it a
> glorified mount point to a remote disk ?
>
> Or is it a regular dorectory/folder in the local file system, and files
> are initially deposited there, but once the copy to iCloud has been
> made, the physical file is removed and replaced by a soft link to the
> remote file ? (aka: on a file by file basis).
>
> Or put it differently, does
>
> ls -l of a newly created file change after it has had time to be copied
> to iCloud ?
>
> Is there line command to show whether a directory is "iCloudable" ?

I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find 
stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com


>
>
>> iCloud was on at the time but "Desktop & Documents" in the iCloud
>> settings was unchecked (as it has been since I started using iCloud to
>> sync other stuff).
>
> I take it "Documents" above referes to the default folder created with
> accounts

Yes.


-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100248

On 2017-02-12, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-02-12 11:41, JF Mezei wrote:
>>
>> Is there line command to show whether a directory is "iCloudable" ?
>
> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find 
> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com

"But reading is hard! : ("

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#100250

On 2017-02-12 18:51, Jolly Roger wrote:

> "But reading is hard! : ("

One of the things I despise these days is the deluge of "how to" on 
YouTube where 90% of such videos are poorly made by bloviators.  Can 
usually read a "how to" page on most things 20X quicker.

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100251

On 2/12/17, 4:58 PM, in article
PuGdnR_OSoEWaz3FnZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne"
<alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-02-12 18:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> "But reading is hard! : ("
> 
> One of the things I despise these days is the deluge of "how to" on
> YouTube where 90% of such videos are poorly made by bloviators.  Can
> usually read a "how to" page on most things 20X quicker.

Some things are certainly done better with video... but far from all.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#100253

On 2017-02-12, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-02-12 18:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> "But reading is hard! : ("
>
> One of the things I despise these days is the deluge of "how to" on 
> YouTube where 90% of such videos are poorly made by bloviators.  Can 
> usually read a "how to" page on most things 20X quicker.

Agreed. And add those idiotic videos where people sit in front of a
camera and narrate or comment about some other video on Youtube, as if
anyone fucking cares what they have to say.

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#100260

On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:

> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find 
> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com

Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly what
happened and why your documents were deleted.

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#100288

On 2017-02-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find 
>> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
>
> Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly what
> happened and why your documents were deleted.

He almost certainly has a better understanding than you.

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#100304

On 2017-02-12 23:37, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find
>> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
>
> Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly what
> happened and why your documents were deleted.

Yes, what happened is Mac OS destroyed them and should not have.  As 
clearly explained in prior posts.

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100305

On 2017-02-13 12:07 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2017-02-12 23:37, JF Mezei wrote:
>> On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find
>>> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
>>
>> Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly what
>> happened and why your documents were deleted.
>
> Yes, what happened is Mac OS destroyed them and should not have.  As
> clearly explained in prior posts.
>

There are significant unknowns as to the cause.

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#100323

On 2017-02-13 15:20, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2017-02-13 12:07 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2017-02-12 23:37, JF Mezei wrote:
>>> On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find
>>>> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
>>>
>>> Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly what
>>> happened and why your documents were deleted.
>>
>> Yes, what happened is Mac OS destroyed them and should not have.  As
>> clearly explained in prior posts.
>>
>
> There are significant unknowns as to the cause.

I stated the conditions under which it occurred.

So yes, significant unknowns, but clearly a bug.  I've reported it to 
Apple - they usually take a week or 2 before asking for supplementary 
data (usually some massive upload of crap).

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100329

On 2017-02-14 7:50 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2017-02-13 15:20, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2017-02-13 12:07 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2017-02-12 23:37, JF Mezei wrote:
>>>> On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find
>>>>> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
>>>>
>>>> Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly
>>>> what
>>>> happened and why your documents were deleted.
>>>
>>> Yes, what happened is Mac OS destroyed them and should not have.  As
>>> clearly explained in prior posts.
>>>
>>
>> There are significant unknowns as to the cause.
>
> I stated the conditions under which it occurred.

You stated what you BELIEVED to be the conditions.

>
> So yes, significant unknowns, but clearly a bug.  I've reported it to
> Apple - they usually take a week or 2 before asking for supplementary
> data (usually some massive upload of crap).
>

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#100351

On 2017-02-14 12:58, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2017-02-14 7:50 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2017-02-13 15:20, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2017-02-13 12:07 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2017-02-12 23:37, JF Mezei wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find
>>>>>> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly
>>>>> what
>>>>> happened and why your documents were deleted.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, what happened is Mac OS destroyed them and should not have.  As
>>>> clearly explained in prior posts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are significant unknowns as to the cause.
>>
>> I stated the conditions under which it occurred.
>
> You stated what you BELIEVED to be the conditions.

No.  I stated what I know to be the conditions.  No more no less.

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100306

In article <pZCdnaqaqdJ0jD_FnZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-02-12 23:37, JF Mezei wrote:
> > On 2017-02-12 18:13, Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not going to explain all this crap to you.  I think you'll find
> >> stuff at a site I've heard of called www.apple.com
> >
> > Then, if you know how it all works, you should understand perfectly what
> > happened and why your documents were deleted.
> 
> Yes, what happened is Mac OS destroyed them and should not have.  As 
> clearly explained in prior posts.

I think that I can hear Steve laugh from the deep underground. He's only 
going to settle a deal and then gonna make everything alright. 

Don't believe a word of that crap. It just that that what it take to 
make some folks adapt!

;-ppp
-- 
teleportation kills

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#100392

On 2/12/17 5:41 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> In other words, does iCloud act as a disk with 5GB capacity and when you
> reach it, you get "disk full" errors ? Or does it prompt you to buy more
> storage etc ?

The latter. of course.

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#100220 — Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail

On 2017-02-11 08:44, Alan Browne wrote:
>
> New video camera I've been experimenting with.  I've been putting the
> files in folders on the desktop.
>
> Since these test videos have no lasting value, to avoid having them
> backed up by TM, I created a desktop folder, and dragged the folders
> into that one.  In TM preferences, marked that folder to not be backed up.
>
> But that new folder is empty.  The files have disappeared.  Peeked via
> terminal as well.  Gone Jim.
>
> A strange thing is that at the time they disappeared, iCloud went wild
> uploading with a very long time to go on the progress dial...


Curious thing - the files that went missing - fragments of them show on 
the iCloud drive if I log in via the web!  (Deleted now)

But again, iCloud drive did not include anything on the desktop (or 
docs) so this quite curious indeed.


-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100222 — Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail

On 2017-02-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Curious thing - the files that went missing - fragments of them show on 
> the iCloud drive if I log in via the web!  (Deleted now)
>
> But again, iCloud drive did not include anything on the desktop (or 
> docs) so this quite curious indeed.

Yet apparently it did. ; ) The iCloud Drive Desktop and Documents
feature isn't enabled by default, is it? Have you *ever* enabled it on
this computer in the past?

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#100223 — Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail

On 2017-02-11 18:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2017-02-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Curious thing - the files that went missing - fragments of them show on
>> the iCloud drive if I log in via the web!  (Deleted now)
>>
>> But again, iCloud drive did not include anything on the desktop (or
>> docs) so this quite curious indeed.
>
> Yet apparently it did. ; ) The iCloud Drive Desktop and Documents
> feature isn't enabled by default, is it? Have you *ever* enabled it on
> this computer in the past?

Nope[1].  As I've said earlier I have 250 GB in the docs folder alone 
(actually closer to 230) which would require me to pay Apple for more 
space and I don't want to do that (wouldn't want to even if it was 
free)).  $3.99/month for 200 GB  -  so would have to be on the 1 TB plan 
at $12.99 / month.

Indeed up to about a year or so ago, my photography work file was also 
in the docs folder and that's another 284 GB that would have needed to 
be sync'd.

Plus there's my ISP bandwidth cap of 150 GB/month which is better used 
for other things.

So I'm quite sure it's never been enabled in the past

What is sync'd for iCloud Drive: TextEdit, Mail, Reminders, System prefs)

[1] or if you prefer it was one of the defaults I disabled on the first go.

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"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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#100224 — Re: Mac OS just destroyed 44 GB of video - added detail

On 2017-02-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-02-11 18:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2017-02-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Curious thing - the files that went missing - fragments of them show on
>>> the iCloud drive if I log in via the web!  (Deleted now)
>>>
>>> But again, iCloud drive did not include anything on the desktop (or
>>> docs) so this quite curious indeed.
>>
>> Yet apparently it did. ; ) The iCloud Drive Desktop and Documents
>> feature isn't enabled by default, is it? Have you *ever* enabled it on
>> this computer in the past?
>
> Nope[1].  As I've said earlier I have 250 GB in the docs folder alone 
> (actually closer to 230) which would require me to pay Apple for more 
> space and I don't want to do that (wouldn't want to even if it was 
> free)).  $3.99/month for 200 GB  -  so would have to be on the 1 TB plan 
> at $12.99 / month.
>
> Indeed up to about a year or so ago, my photography work file was also 
> in the docs folder and that's another 284 GB that would have needed to 
> be sync'd.
>
> Plus there's my ISP bandwidth cap of 150 GB/month which is better used 
> for other things.
>
> So I'm quite sure it's never been enabled in the past
>
> What is sync'd for iCloud Drive: TextEdit, Mail, Reminders, System prefs)
>
> [1] or if you prefer it was one of the defaults I disabled on the first go.

I don't think it's enabled by default, is it? I certainly would not be
pleased if, after upgrading to Sierra, I found all of my documents being
uploaded to the cloud without even asking. I doubt Apple would do that;
but if so, I'm disappointed in them.

At any rate, if you had it enabled briefly - no matter how brief - I
have to wonder if disabling it before it was able to finish the initial
sync somehow triggered the behavior you are experiencing. It's
definitely a bug - no doubt about it. But since it's apparently not a
wide-spread problem, I'm just wondering what caused it.

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