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  macOS 10.12.1 Available Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 09:05 -0700
    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2016-10-26 10:12 +0200
      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2016-10-26 08:23 +0000
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-26 14:11 -0500
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-26 16:21 -0600
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-27 00:42 -0500
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-27 18:16 -0600
      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-26 22:03 +1300
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2016-10-26 14:38 +0200
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-28 08:26 +1300
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-28 13:30 +1300
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:40 -0400
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 15:46 -0400
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:54 -0400
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 20:00 +0000
                  Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 16:24 -0400
                    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 16:50 +0000
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:17 -0400
                  Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 16:23 -0400
                    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:25 -0400
                      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 16:50 -0400
                      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 11:26 -0400
                        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 12:48 -0400
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 17:17 +0000
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:38 -0400
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:45 -0400
                              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 17:53 +0000
                                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 15:07 -0400
                              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 15:02 -0400
                                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 16:08 -0400
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2016-10-30 07:42 +0200
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:47 -0400
                        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 11:00 -0400
                        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-31 08:50 +1300
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:01 -0400
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-31 12:39 +1300
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-29 15:54 +1300
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:44 +0000
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:43 +0000
      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-26 19:03 -0400
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-01 10:01 -0700
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 17:48 +0000
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-02 08:25 -0700
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-02 10:26 -0700
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available android <here@there.was> - 2016-11-02 18:42 +0100
                  Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-02 15:12 -0700
                    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 04:39 +0000
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-02 20:30 +0000
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-02 20:29 +0000

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#96095

On 2016-10-28 16:25, nospam wrote:
> In article <H5OdnVq90_1cLo7FnZ2dnUU7-QvNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It appeared
>>>>>>> soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?  I want
>>>>>> to re-install.  Since I'm at 10.12.1 the 10.12 won't install over the
>>>>>> existing version.
>>>>>
>>>>> what's in the app store is always the latest.
>>>>
>>>> I've already updated to 10.12.1.  I need to do a complete re-install the
>>>> whole thing in the hopes of clobbering whatever is affecting Finder on
>>>> this machine.  OTOH, I don't want to do a clean install if I can avoid it.
>>>>
>>>> Re-installing 10.12 doesn't work as the installer refuses to install
>>>> over the later version.
>>>
>>> like i said, what's in the app store is the latest version, and as of
>>> right now, that's 10.12.1. you can't get 10.12.0 anymore from the
>>> store.
>>>
>>> for 10.12.0, you would need to have kept a copy (and it sounds like you
>>> did). if so, you may need to delete it (or preferably, keep it, but
>>> move it to where the store can't see it) so that the store lets you
>>> download a new and updated version. then you'll have a 10.12.1
>>> installer.
>>
>> The OS is at 10.12.1.  The App Store POS app is not going to "offer" the
>> 10.12.0 or 10.12.1 full install.  All is well in its tiny mind.
>
> apparently not, since the app store offers 10.12.1 full install.

I see what you mean now.  I'll try that later.  Thanks.


-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96154

On 2016-10-28 16:25, nospam wrote:
> In article <H5OdnVq90_1cLo7FnZ2dnUU7-QvNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It appeared
>>>>>>> soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?  I want
>>>>>> to re-install.  Since I'm at 10.12.1 the 10.12 won't install over the
>>>>>> existing version.
>>>>>
>>>>> what's in the app store is always the latest.
>>>>
>>>> I've already updated to 10.12.1.  I need to do a complete re-install the
>>>> whole thing in the hopes of clobbering whatever is affecting Finder on
>>>> this machine.  OTOH, I don't want to do a clean install if I can avoid it.
>>>>
>>>> Re-installing 10.12 doesn't work as the installer refuses to install
>>>> over the later version.
>>>
>>> like i said, what's in the app store is the latest version, and as of
>>> right now, that's 10.12.1. you can't get 10.12.0 anymore from the
>>> store.
>>>
>>> for 10.12.0, you would need to have kept a copy (and it sounds like you
>>> did). if so, you may need to delete it (or preferably, keep it, but
>>> move it to where the store can't see it) so that the store lets you
>>> download a new and updated version. then you'll have a 10.12.1
>>> installer.
>>
>> The OS is at 10.12.1.  The App Store POS app is not going to "offer" the
>> 10.12.0 or 10.12.1 full install.  All is well in its tiny mind.
>
> apparently not, since the app store offers 10.12.1 full install.
>


That did not work.

While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth 
long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was 
complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.  I was about to 
install, and decided to eject my external disks first.  The volume where 
the prior 10.12.0.57 installer was kept would not eject.  I quit App 
Store and the installer and then it ejected.

But then, when I fired up App Store to install again, nothing happened - 
so it appears to be wanting to install 10.12.0.57.   (The prior "0" 
version was 10.12.0.49).  So this is quite bizarre.

I think it found the older installer on the external drive and erased 
the copy on the system disk (/applications).  I can't find it at all. 
Or it moved 10.12.0.57 to one of the external drives.

I'll try installing 0.57, otherwise back to App Store to DL (again) 
10.12.1.     (Could 10.12.1 be contained in 10.12.0.57 ???).

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96157

On 2016-10-29 11:26, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2016-10-28 16:25, nospam wrote:
>> In article <H5OdnVq90_1cLo7FnZ2dnUU7-QvNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It
>>>>>>>> appeared
>>>>>>>> soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?
>>>>>>> I want
>>>>>>> to re-install.  Since I'm at 10.12.1 the 10.12 won't install over
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> existing version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what's in the app store is always the latest.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've already updated to 10.12.1.  I need to do a complete
>>>>> re-install the
>>>>> whole thing in the hopes of clobbering whatever is affecting Finder on
>>>>> this machine.  OTOH, I don't want to do a clean install if I can
>>>>> avoid it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re-installing 10.12 doesn't work as the installer refuses to install
>>>>> over the later version.
>>>>
>>>> like i said, what's in the app store is the latest version, and as of
>>>> right now, that's 10.12.1. you can't get 10.12.0 anymore from the
>>>> store.
>>>>
>>>> for 10.12.0, you would need to have kept a copy (and it sounds like you
>>>> did). if so, you may need to delete it (or preferably, keep it, but
>>>> move it to where the store can't see it) so that the store lets you
>>>> download a new and updated version. then you'll have a 10.12.1
>>>> installer.
>>>
>>> The OS is at 10.12.1.  The App Store POS app is not going to "offer" the
>>> 10.12.0 or 10.12.1 full install.  All is well in its tiny mind.
>>
>> apparently not, since the app store offers 10.12.1 full install.
>>
>
>
> That did not work.
>
> While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth
> long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was
> complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.  I was about to
> install, and decided to eject my external disks first.  The volume where
> the prior 10.12.0.57 installer was kept would not eject.  I quit App
> Store and the installer and then it ejected.
>
> But then, when I fired up App Store to install again, nothing happened -
> so it appears to be wanting to install 10.12.0.57.   (The prior "0"
> version was 10.12.0.49).  So this is quite bizarre.
>
> I think it found the older installer on the external drive and erased
> the copy on the system disk (/applications).  I can't find it at all. Or
> it moved 10.12.0.57 to one of the external drives.
>
> I'll try installing 0.57, otherwise back to App Store to DL (again)
> 10.12.1.     (Could 10.12.1 be contained in 10.12.0.57 ???).

And that didn't work either.  So I'll have to try the App store again 
but leave the external drives off

Tried an install with the 12.10.0.57 version after copying it to my 
system disk.  It went through what appeared to be a complete install - 
but I ended up at 10.12.1 in any case.

Finder is still mis-behaving.

So, one more try with the App store and the supposed 10.12.1 version

Just not yet.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96164

On 2016-10-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Tried an install with the 12.10.0.57 version after copying it to my 
> system disk.  It went through what appeared to be a complete install - 
> but I ended up at 10.12.1 in any case.
>
> Finder is still mis-behaving.
>
> So, one more try with the App store and the supposed 10.12.1 version
>
> Just not yet.

Perhaps this kitchen sink approach is inefficient. I think I would try
to figure out more about this specific issue you are having with the
Finder in particular. If the problem doesn't occur in other user
accounts, for instance, that tells you the problem is within your
account rather than with the entire system. 

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#96166

On 2016-10-29 13:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-10-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Tried an install with the 12.10.0.57 version after copying it to my
>> system disk.  It went through what appeared to be a complete install -
>> but I ended up at 10.12.1 in any case.
>>
>> Finder is still mis-behaving.
>>
>> So, one more try with the App store and the supposed 10.12.1 version
>>
>> Just not yet.
>
> Perhaps this kitchen sink approach is inefficient. I think I would try
> to figure out more about this specific issue you are having with the
> Finder in particular. If the problem doesn't occur in other user
> accounts, for instance, that tells you the problem is within your
> account rather than with the entire system.

Excellent point.

I have yet to try another user account, that is true.  I'll do that 
right after I post this.

But I have cleared two relevant plists in ~/Library/preferences and 
re-booted.

I've reset the SMC.

A search on the web for this - nothing.

Bug Report to Apple resulted in them asking for a diagnostic upload. 
(Press Shift-Control-Option-Command-something (very awkward) while the 
Finder was spinning).  This resulted in a 350 MB upload to bug reporter. 
  Haven't heard boo since.  (A week ago).

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96168

On 2016-10-29 13:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-10-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Tried an install with the 12.10.0.57 version after copying it to my
>> system disk.  It went through what appeared to be a complete install -
>> but I ended up at 10.12.1 in any case.
>>
>> Finder is still mis-behaving.
>>
>> So, one more try with the App store and the supposed 10.12.1 version
>>
>> Just not yet.
>
> Perhaps this kitchen sink approach is inefficient. I think I would try
> to figure out more about this specific issue you are having with the
> Finder in particular. If the problem doesn't occur in other user
> accounts, for instance, that tells you the problem is within your
> account rather than with the entire system.
>

Well, that seems to have hit the nail on the head.  If I login as Admin 
(while still logged in as my user account), Finder search works flawlessly.

Next I'll set up a new user account and boot up and into that.  Have to 
go help with the annual Spag sauce canning now.  So she says.


-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96169

On 2016-10-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-29 13:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps this kitchen sink approach is inefficient. I think I would try
>> to figure out more about this specific issue you are having with the
>> Finder in particular. If the problem doesn't occur in other user
>> accounts, for instance, that tells you the problem is within your
>> account rather than with the entire system.
>
> Well, that seems to have hit the nail on the head.  If I login as Admin 
> (while still logged in as my user account), Finder search works flawlessly.

I forget whether you mentioned: do any messages hit the console or
system logs when you attempt to search in the problem account?

-- 
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#96176

On 2016-10-29 13:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-10-29, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-29 13:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps this kitchen sink approach is inefficient. I think I would try
>>> to figure out more about this specific issue you are having with the
>>> Finder in particular. If the problem doesn't occur in other user
>>> accounts, for instance, that tells you the problem is within your
>>> account rather than with the entire system.
>>
>> Well, that seems to have hit the nail on the head.  If I login as Admin
>> (while still logged in as my user account), Finder search works flawlessly.
>
> I forget whether you mentioned: do any messages hit the console or
> system logs when you attempt to search in the problem account?

Nothing obvious - I did look a couple weeks ago when I first brought 
this up.  There was one "oddball" in there but I couldn't connect it via 
searching the web for a cause/solution.

Just
	-deleted both plists in ~/library/preferences
	-put all disks in the Spotlight "ignore" list (system and externals)

	-emptied the trash

	-cold start

	-removed the system disk from "ignore" list
	.it's indexing

	... alas a test shows it doing the same thing.

	unless there is some other way to reset finder/spotlight then I'll try 
kitchen sink v.3.2 (attempt to force 10.12.1 to DL and install over the 
delta update).

	unless that works, then I'll be forced to do a clean install.


-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96175

On 2016-10-29 13:45, Alan Browne wrote:

> Well, that seems to have hit the nail on the head.  If I login as Admin 
> (while still logged in as my user account), Finder search works flawlessly.

Does Finder Search use a system-wide search, or account specific
documents only ?

AKA: does login in as Admin seach the same directories as when you are
logged into your normal account ?

One possibility is that you have a/many document(s) in your directory
that the search engine barfs on and causes the spinning beachball of
death. (known extention, but unknown format, or play simply corrupt
document).

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#96180

On 2016-10-29 15:02, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2016-10-29 13:45, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Well, that seems to have hit the nail on the head.  If I login as Admin
>> (while still logged in as my user account), Finder search works flawlessly.
>
> Does Finder Search use a system-wide search, or account specific
> documents only ?
>
> AKA: does login in as Admin seach the same directories as when you are
> logged into your normal account ?
>
> One possibility is that you have a/many document(s) in your directory
> that the search engine barfs on and causes the spinning beachball of
> death. (known extention, but unknown format, or play simply corrupt
> document).

I doubt that it's not been tested to the point of breaking for things 
that it can't categorize.

It worked perfectly in 10.11.  10.12 started this up.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96197

In article <ls6dnarM44NWT4nFnZ2dnUU7-YmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-10-29 11:26, Alan Browne wrote:
> > On 2016-10-28 16:25, nospam wrote:
> >> In article <H5OdnVq90_1cLo7FnZ2dnUU7-QvNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>> The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It
> >>>>>>>> appeared
> >>>>>>>> soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?
> >>>>>>> I want
> >>>>>>> to re-install.  Since I'm at 10.12.1 the 10.12 won't install over
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> existing version.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> what's in the app store is always the latest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've already updated to 10.12.1.  I need to do a complete
> >>>>> re-install the
> >>>>> whole thing in the hopes of clobbering whatever is affecting Finder on
> >>>>> this machine.  OTOH, I don't want to do a clean install if I can
> >>>>> avoid it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Re-installing 10.12 doesn't work as the installer refuses to install
> >>>>> over the later version.
> >>>>
> >>>> like i said, what's in the app store is the latest version, and as of
> >>>> right now, that's 10.12.1. you can't get 10.12.0 anymore from the
> >>>> store.
> >>>>
> >>>> for 10.12.0, you would need to have kept a copy (and it sounds like you
> >>>> did). if so, you may need to delete it (or preferably, keep it, but
> >>>> move it to where the store can't see it) so that the store lets you
> >>>> download a new and updated version. then you'll have a 10.12.1
> >>>> installer.
> >>>
> >>> The OS is at 10.12.1.  The App Store POS app is not going to "offer" the
> >>> 10.12.0 or 10.12.1 full install.  All is well in its tiny mind.
> >>
> >> apparently not, since the app store offers 10.12.1 full install.
> >>
> >
> >
> > That did not work.
> >
> > While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth
> > long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was
> > complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.  I was about to
> > install, and decided to eject my external disks first.  The volume where
> > the prior 10.12.0.57 installer was kept would not eject.  I quit App
> > Store and the installer and then it ejected.
> >
> > But then, when I fired up App Store to install again, nothing happened -
> > so it appears to be wanting to install 10.12.0.57.   (The prior "0"
> > version was 10.12.0.49).  So this is quite bizarre.
> >
> > I think it found the older installer on the external drive and erased
> > the copy on the system disk (/applications).  I can't find it at all. Or
> > it moved 10.12.0.57 to one of the external drives.
> >
> > I'll try installing 0.57, otherwise back to App Store to DL (again)
> > 10.12.1.     (Could 10.12.1 be contained in 10.12.0.57 ???).
> 
> And that didn't work either.  So I'll have to try the App store again 
> but leave the external drives off

if you have a second Mac that is capable of running Sierra and has 
anything from Lion to El Capitan installed, you could do the download 
with that one. Don't let the install happen, but copy it to the computer 
you need it or make an installer stick

Cheers
Andreas

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#96202

On 2016-10-30 01:42, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:
> In article <ls6dnarM44NWT4nFnZ2dnUU7-YmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

>>> I'll try installing 0.57, otherwise back to App Store to DL (again)
>>> 10.12.1.     (Could 10.12.1 be contained in 10.12.0.57 ???).
>>
>> And that didn't work either.  So I'll have to try the App store again
>> but leave the external drives off
>
> if you have a second Mac that is capable of running Sierra and has
> anything from Lion to El Capitan installed, you could do the download
> with that one. Don't let the install happen, but copy it to the computer
> you need it or make an installer stick

Thanks.  The other mac here is 10.12 so that might be the way there - I 
should be able to put the "full" 10.12.1 installer onto it.  I'll DL the 
full installer to that Mac and not install and then move it here.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96198

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-10-28 16:25, nospam wrote:
> > In article <H5OdnVq90_1cLo7FnZ2dnUU7-QvNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> The OS is at 10.12.1.  The App Store POS app is not going to "offer" the
> >> 10.12.0 or 10.12.1 full install.  All is well in its tiny mind.
> >
> > apparently not, since the app store offers 10.12.1 full install.
> 
> That did not work.
> 
> While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth 
> long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was
> complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.

That probably means you have another copy of the Sierra installer
somewhere visible to App Store (apart from in a Time Machine backup):
the download will replace any existing copy of the same app it can find,
rather than remaining in /Applications.

If your other copy of the Sierra installer is on an external volume,
eject that volume before doing the download.

If your other copy of the Sierra installer is in a different folder on
the same volume, you need to put it in a folder that is in the privacy
list for Spotlight so App Store can't find it (and might need to restart
after doing that, so the App Store support software doesn't retain a
reference to the previous file via an in-memory alias which tracks the
moved file).

I installed Sierra today from a copy of the Sierra installer downloaded
after the MacBook Pro announcement event, and I'm on 10.12.1 as
expected.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#96203

On 2016-10-30 04:43, David Empson wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-28 16:25, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <H5OdnVq90_1cLo7FnZ2dnUU7-QvNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The OS is at 10.12.1.  The App Store POS app is not going to "offer" the
>>>> 10.12.0 or 10.12.1 full install.  All is well in its tiny mind.
>>>
>>> apparently not, since the app store offers 10.12.1 full install.
>>
>> That did not work.
>>
>> While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth
>> long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was
>> complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.
>
> That probably means you have another copy of the Sierra installer
> somewhere visible to App Store (apart from in a Time Machine backup):
> the download will replace any existing copy of the same app it can find,
> rather than remaining in /Applications.
>
> If your other copy of the Sierra installer is on an external volume,
> eject that volume before doing the download.

That was my plan.  Now, following Andreas' idea, I'll DL the complete 
10.12.1 to my SO's MBA and interrupt the install and move the installer 
to this iMac.

> If your other copy of the Sierra installer is in a different folder on
> the same volume, you need to put it in a folder that is in the privacy
> list for Spotlight so App Store can't find it (and might need to restart
> after doing that, so the App Store support software doesn't retain a
> reference to the previous file via an in-memory alias which tracks the
> moved file).

Sneaky devils.

> I installed Sierra today from a copy of the Sierra installer downloaded
> after the MacBook Pro announcement event, and I'm on 10.12.1 as
> expected.

I did the delta update to 10.12.1.  I hoped the delta would solve the 
issue but it hasn't.

If a full write over of 10.12.1 doesn't do it, I think I'll be forced to 
the clean install route - not having found any solution to the Finder 
Search pinwheeling.

As a side note - while it seems related to Spotlight, Spotlight searches 
are not affected.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96214

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth 
> long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was
> complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.  I was about to 
> install, and decided to eject my external disks first.  The volume where
> the prior 10.12.0.57 installer was kept would not eject.  I quit App 
> Store and the installer and then it ejected.
> 
> But then, when I fired up App Store to install again, nothing happened -
> so it appears to be wanting to install 10.12.0.57.   (The prior "0" 
> version was 10.12.0.49).  So this is quite bizarre.
> 
> I think it found the older installer on the external drive and erased
> the copy on the system disk (/applications).  I can't find it at all.
> Or it moved 10.12.0.57 to one of the external drives.
> 
> I'll try installing 0.57, otherwise back to App Store to DL (again) 
> 10.12.1.     (Could 10.12.1 be contained in 10.12.0.57 ???).

Secondary point: you are getting the installer version numbers mixed up.
For example, it isn't "10.12.0.57" (or "12.10.0.57" you used in a later
post), just "12.0.57".

Since Apple introduced the App Store distribution of Mac OS X with 10.7
Lion, the installer application version number has had no connection
with the version number of Mac OS X (or OS X or macOS) which it
installs. The only clue is that a higher installer version number is for
a later OS version.

The older ones I have handy:

Mac OS X 10.7.5 (Lion): installer version is 1.0.34
OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion): installer version is 1.3.29
OS X 10.9.5 (Mavericks): installer version is 1.3.46
OS X 10.10.5 (Yosemite): installer version is 1.6.43
OS X 10.11.6 (El Capitan): installer version is 1.7.50

Sierra has improved the situation slightly. The major version number of
the installer is now 12, which coincides with Sierra's minor version
number.

The rest of the installer version number still has nothing to do with
the version or build number of the OS it will install (apart from
relative order of version numbers).

macOS 12.0: installer version is 12.0.49
macOS 12.0.1: installer version is 12.0.57

One other small tidbit: the Sierra installer is the first which contains
an easily located file with the installed system version number, at this
relative path:

./Contents/SharedSupport/InstallInfo.plist

The "version" key inside the "System Image Info" key has a string value
of "10.12" or "10.12.1" respectiely for the above two installers. (It
doesn't reveal the build number of the installed OS.)

For El Capitan and earlier, I couldn't find the installed system version
number without opening the installer with Pacifist, or poking around
inside InstallESD.dmg.


-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#96220

On 2016-10-30 15:50, David Empson wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> While it purportedly downloaded 10.12.1, (certainly burned bandwidth
>> long enough) and I could see it in /Applications, as soon as the DL was
>> complete, the version in /Applications disappeared.  I was about to
>> install, and decided to eject my external disks first.  The volume where
>> the prior 10.12.0.57 installer was kept would not eject.  I quit App
>> Store and the installer and then it ejected.
>>
>> But then, when I fired up App Store to install again, nothing happened -
>> so it appears to be wanting to install 10.12.0.57.   (The prior "0"
>> version was 10.12.0.49).  So this is quite bizarre.
>>
>> I think it found the older installer on the external drive and erased
>> the copy on the system disk (/applications).  I can't find it at all.
>> Or it moved 10.12.0.57 to one of the external drives.
>>
>> I'll try installing 0.57, otherwise back to App Store to DL (again)
>> 10.12.1.     (Could 10.12.1 be contained in 10.12.0.57 ???).
>
> Secondary point: you are getting the installer version numbers mixed up.
> For example, it isn't "10.12.0.57" (or "12.10.0.57" you used in a later
> post), just "12.0.57".

I'm mixing up installers and OS versions.  Got it.

> Since Apple introduced the App Store distribution of Mac OS X with 10.7
> Lion, the installer application version number has had no connection
> with the version number of Mac OS X (or OS X or macOS) which it
> installs. The only clue is that a higher installer version number is for
> a later OS version.
>
> The older ones I have handy:
>
> Mac OS X 10.7.5 (Lion): installer version is 1.0.34
> OS X 10.8.5 (Mountain Lion): installer version is 1.3.29
> OS X 10.9.5 (Mavericks): installer version is 1.3.46
> OS X 10.10.5 (Yosemite): installer version is 1.6.43
> OS X 10.11.6 (El Capitan): installer version is 1.7.50
>
> Sierra has improved the situation slightly. The major version number of
> the installer is now 12, which coincides with Sierra's minor version
> number.
>
> The rest of the installer version number still has nothing to do with
> the version or build number of the OS it will install (apart from
> relative order of version numbers).
>
> macOS 12.0: installer version is 12.0.49
> macOS 12.0.1: installer version is 12.0.57

Right - so I seem to have received .57 when attempting to revert to 10.12

> One other small tidbit: the Sierra installer is the first which contains
> an easily located file with the installed system version number, at this
> relative path:
>
> ./Contents/SharedSupport/InstallInfo.plist

Inside the installer package?

>
> The "version" key inside the "System Image Info" key has a string value
> of "10.12" or "10.12.1" respectiely for the above two installers. (It
> doesn't reveal the build number of the installed OS.)



-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96241

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-10-30 15:50, David Empson wrote:

[...]

> > macOS 12.0: installer version is 12.0.49
> > macOS 12.0.1: installer version is 12.0.57
> 
> Right - so I seem to have received .57 when attempting to revert to 10.12
> 
> > One other small tidbit: the Sierra installer is the first which contains
> > an easily located file with the installed system version number, at this
> > relative path:
> >
> > ./Contents/SharedSupport/InstallInfo.plist
> 
> Inside the installer package?

Yes, Ctrl-Click on the installer and Show Package Contents, then
navigate to SharedSupport. You can QuickLook the plist file in Finder
(assuming that doesn't depend on having Xcode installed), or open it in
TextWrangler (free) if you don't have other options handy and don't want
to resort to Terminal.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#96126

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <0bednRPWkt8ONI7FnZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > > The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It appeared
> > > soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.
> > 
> > Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?  I want
> > to re-install.  Since I'm at 10.12.1 the 10.12 won't install over the
> > existing version.
> 
> what's in the app store is always the latest.

Except it wasn't between Monday and Thursday this week - App Store still
had the 10.12 installer after 10.12.1 was released, until the media
event on Thursday had finished.

To answer Alan's question: delete your current copy of the 10.12
installer (or keep an archive copy offline, in case you ever want to
reinstall the original release), then use App Store to download Sierra
again from the Featured page. It is now a full 10.12.1 installer, which
will let you install over an existing 10.12.1 (without affecting user
accounts, etc.).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#96136

In message <281020161546595479%nospam@nospam.invalid> 
  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <0bednRPWkt8ONI7FnZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

>> > The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It appeared
>> > soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.
>> 
>> Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?  I want 
>> to re-install.  Since I'm at 10.12.1 the 10.12 won't install over the 
>> existing version.

> what's in the app store is always the latest.

Except this week when the App store still had 10.12.0 from Monday until
Thursday afternoon.


-- 
Something wonderful, if you took the long view, was about to happen. If
you took the short or medium view, something horrible was about to
happen. It's like the difference between seeing a beautiful new star in
the winter sky and actually being close to the supernova. It's the
difference between the beauty of morning dew on a cobweb and actually
being a fly. --Reaper Man

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#96135

In message <0bednRPWkt8ONI7FnZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-27 15:26, David Empson wrote:
>> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My family and I have each a Desktop and a Laptop and I really don't
>>>> want to download 500 MB 9 more times. I can't find the usual Download
>>>> anywhere, so I can pull it once and then Ethernet or WiFi it to the
>>>> other boxes.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice?
>>>
>>> The full installer of Sierra on App Store hasn't been updated either -
>>> it is still 10.12.
>>>
>>> Maybe wait until about Thursday 12 PM US PDT (1900 UTC).
>>
>> The 10.12.1 full installer is now available in App Store. It appeared
>> soon after the end of the media event, as I suspected.

> Is there a binary for the whole 10.12.1 available for download?

Yes.

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 invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty- five is new and exciting
 and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything
 invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of
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