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  Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-09 14:44 -0700
    Re: Major Crashing! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 22:57 +0000
    Re: Major Crashing! Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 16:43 -0700
      Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-09 16:50 -0700
        Re: Major Crashing! befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2016-10-10 09:11 +0200
      Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-09 16:56 -0700
        Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-10 00:20 +0000
          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 17:42 -0700
            Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 00:48 +0000
              Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 22:22 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 05:36 +0000
                  Re: Major Crashing! befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2016-10-11 08:26 +0200
                    Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 15:54 +0000
                  Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 07:57 -0700
                    Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 15:54 +0000
                      Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 09:41 -0700
                        Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 16:51 +0000
                          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 11:14 -0700
                            Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 18:18 +0000
                              Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 12:27 -0700
                                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 19:39 +0000
                                  Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 14:38 -0700
                                    Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 22:11 +0000
                                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:37 -0500
                              Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:35 -0500
                                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 22:49 +0000
                                  Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 00:27 -0500
                                    Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-12 05:50 +0000
                                      Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 12:10 -0500
                                        Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-12 17:19 +0000
                                          Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 13:36 -0500
                                    Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 23:24 -0700
                                      Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 12:13 -0500
                                      Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 11:12 -0700
                                        Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 00:11 +0000
                                          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 19:16 -0700
                                            Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 15:44 +0000
                                              Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 13:33 -0700
        Re: Major Crashing! Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 20:46 -0700
          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 17:45 -0700
            Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 17:53 -0700
    Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 11:35 -0700
      Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 12:07 -0700
      Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 00:14 +0000
        Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 19:17 -0700
          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 08:44 -0700
          Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 15:45 +0000
            Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 13:37 -0700
              Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 17:00 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-14 00:33 +0000
      Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 20:29 -0500
        Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 19:17 -0700
          Re: Major Crashing! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-13 06:47 +0000
          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 08:33 -0700
    Re: Major Crashing! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-14 08:53 +1300

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#95504 — Major Crashing!

HELP!

I've never had anything like this before.  Yesterday morning and now 
twice today my new MacBook Pro (OS 10.12) just locked.  Nothing works, 
the mouse won't work, the keyboard can invoke nothing.  I was in mail 
once and noted that the screen is still busy: My cursor location in 
composing an email continued to blink, iStat menus at the top of my 
screen shows cpu activitiy, Little Snitch reported I was still 
downloading something or other, and having internet communications of 
blip-blip-blip variety.

But otherwise, nothing works. I went and made some coffee and read the 
paper, came back 20 minutes later--still nothing.

I operate in closed-clamshell mode.  So I popped all the connectors and 
power, opened it and found it was complaining about having an 
inappropriately disconnected drive, which I had just done. I could move 
with trackpad to tell it to go away and thought I was fine.  I scrolled 
to the top of my email.  A second later it began the lock-up modality 
again.

Later in the day the same thing happened though not while in email. 
While in the finder or Safari. Again I disconnected hoping to get back 
again.  This time, my screen on the MacBook gave me my desktop picture 
and nothing else, not sure if the control bar at the top was there or 
not.

I rebooted on all occasions but holding the power key down.

I opened the console to see what I could look for, and am really a 
gremmie here.  I don't know where to search. Where do I look to find 
crashes and hopefully analysis?

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#95505

In message <2016100914440485222-xxx@yyyzzz> 
  gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> HELP!

> I've never had anything like this before.  Yesterday morning and now 
> twice today my new MacBook Pro (OS 10.12) just locked.

Can you ssh in to the machine? Can you access it otherwise over the
network?

Usually when the screen stops responding it is a GPU or GPU driver
issue.

If the machine is still running when it appears locked up, I'd try
unplugging the external display.

You might also try running for a bit without it if possible.

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#95507

In article <2016100914440485222-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> HELP!
> 
> I've never had anything like this before.  Yesterday morning and now 
> twice today my new MacBook Pro (OS 10.12) just locked.  Nothing works, 
> the mouse won't work, the keyboard can invoke nothing.  I was in mail 
> once and noted that the screen is still busy: My cursor location in 
> composing an email continued to blink, iStat menus at the top of my 
> screen shows cpu activitiy, Little Snitch reported I was still 
> downloading something or other, and having internet communications of 
> blip-blip-blip variety.
> 
> But otherwise, nothing works. I went and made some coffee and read the 
> paper, came back 20 minutes later--still nothing.
> 
> I operate in closed-clamshell mode.  So I popped all the connectors and 
> power, opened it and found it was complaining about having an 
> inappropriately disconnected drive, which I had just done. I could move 
> with trackpad to tell it to go away and thought I was fine.  I scrolled 
> to the top of my email.  A second later it began the lock-up modality 
> again.
> 
> Later in the day the same thing happened though not while in email. 
> While in the finder or Safari. Again I disconnected hoping to get back 
> again.  This time, my screen on the MacBook gave me my desktop picture 
> and nothing else, not sure if the control bar at the top was there or 
> not.
> 
> I rebooted on all occasions but holding the power key down.
> 
> I opened the console to see what I could look for, and am really a 
> gremmie here.  I don't know where to search. Where do I look to find 
> crashes and hopefully analysis?

The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware 
related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or 
~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.

If it persists, take it into a Genius Bar and have them hook it up to 
diagnostics.  If the problem can be reproduced by connecting a specific 
drive up, bring that drive.  Could be a bad cable, connector, drive or 
motherboard.  The problem will be getting the computer to freeze in 
front of them.

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#95508

On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> In article <2016100914440485222-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> HELP!
>> 
>> I've never had anything like this before.  Yesterday morning and now
>> twice today my new MacBook Pro (OS 10.12) just locked.  Nothing works,
>> the mouse won't work, the keyboard can invoke nothing.  I was in mail
>> once and noted that the screen is still busy: My cursor location in
>> composing an email continued to blink, iStat menus at the top of my
>> screen shows cpu activitiy, Little Snitch reported I was still
>> downloading something or other, and having internet communications of
>> blip-blip-blip variety.
>> 
>> But otherwise, nothing works. I went and made some coffee and read the
>> paper, came back 20 minutes later--still nothing.
>> 
>> I operate in closed-clamshell mode.  So I popped all the connectors and
>> power, opened it and found it was complaining about having an
>> inappropriately disconnected drive, which I had just done. I could move
>> with trackpad to tell it to go away and thought I was fine.  I scrolled
>> to the top of my email.  A second later it began the lock-up modality
>> again.
>> 
>> Later in the day the same thing happened though not while in email.
>> While in the finder or Safari. Again I disconnected hoping to get back
>> again.  This time, my screen on the MacBook gave me my desktop picture
>> and nothing else, not sure if the control bar at the top was there or
>> not.
>> 
>> I rebooted on all occasions but holding the power key down.
>> 
>> I opened the console to see what I could look for, and am really a
>> gremmie here.  I don't know where to search. Where do I look to find
>> crashes and hopefully analysis?
> 
> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
> 
> If it persists, take it into a Genius Bar and have them hook it up to
> diagnostics.  If the problem can be reproduced by connecting a specific
> drive up, bring that drive.  Could be a bad cable, connector, drive or
> motherboard.  The problem will be getting the computer to freeze in
> front of them.

Thanks, Michael.  I'm writing on the wall: Console, ~/Library/Logs/ - .hang

That's what I was looking for so I can show it to an Apple tech-head.

No it can't be reproduced.  I note in snooping around since that there 
are a number of post-Sierra-installation complaints about this and they 
all seem to center around operating a MacBook Pro with an external 
monitor or monitors.  From one person dealing with Apple support there 
is a list of booting while holding your head just-so and such that is 
supposed to "help" or "clear something" or something.

I have been iritated that my monitor line is a skosh short and so was 
thinking about getting a longer cable anyway.  Who know, maybe that 
will help too.  All cables are quite new, as is the computer is only a 
year old, and has been taken nowhere, except to the living room once or 
twice.

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#95513

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> I note in snooping around since that there 
> are a number of post-Sierra-installation complaints about this and they
> all seem to center around operating a MacBook Pro with an external 
> monitor or monitors.

Just to let you know that it is not a general problem:
I have a mid 2012 MBP running in clamshell mode with an external
monitor. (Above the specs. The monitor has a resolution of 3440x1440.)
There are no sierra-problems over here.

You talked about a lot of third party software running on your machine
(Little Snitch, iStat Menus, maybe some more?)

First thing I would try is to look for any sierra related updates or
even better: run a few days without those software to see if that is
what causes the problems.

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#95509

On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.

Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of 
applications.  Any way to narrow my search?

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#95510

On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>
>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>
> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of 
> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?

You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?

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#95516

On 2016-10-10 00:20:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>> 
>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>> 
>> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of
>> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?
> 
> You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?

I found no "sort by date option".

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#95518

On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2016-10-10 00:20:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>> On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>>> 
>>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>>> 
>>> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of
>>> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?
>> 
>> You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?
>
> I found no "sort by date option".

Are you new to Macs? Any Finder window allows you to sort by date. View
the directories above, and click the Date column to sort them by date.

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#95526

On 2016-10-11 00:48:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-10 00:20:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>>>> 
>>>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>>>> 
>>>> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of
>>>> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?
>>> 
>>> You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?
>> 
>> I found no "sort by date option".
> 
> Are you new to Macs? Any Finder window allows you to sort by date. View
> the directories above, and click the Date column to sort them by date.

23 years; not new.  There is no date column to search on when looking 
at ~/Library/Logs overall. It's listed by application.  If I open an 
application at random, since I don't know what the hell I'm looking 
for, there's also no dat column.

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#95528

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2016-10-11 00:48:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
>> On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-10 00:20:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>>>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>>>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of
>>>>> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?
>>>> 
>>>> You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?
>>> 
>>> I found no "sort by date option".
>> 
>> Are you new to Macs? Any Finder window allows you to sort by date. View
>> the directories above, and click the Date column to sort them by date.
> 
> 23 years; not new.  

Are you sure about that?

> There is no date column to search on when looking 
> at ~/Library/Logs overall. 

Nonsense. Any Finder window has a choice of date columns to display; and if
no date column is currently displayed, it's a simple matter to add it to
any Finder window.

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#95529

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > There is no date column to search on when looking 
> > at ~/Library/Logs overall. 
> 
> Nonsense. Any Finder window has a choice of date columns to display; and if
> no date column is currently displayed, it's a simple matter to add it to
> any Finder window.

I think you misunderstand each other, gtr is not looking at a finder
window but is using the Konsole app to look at the logs.
And there is indeed no date column.

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#95532

Bernd Fröhlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>>> There is no date column to search on when looking 
>>> at ~/Library/Logs overall. 
>> 
>> Nonsense. Any Finder window has a choice of date columns to display; and if
>> no date column is currently displayed, it's a simple matter to add it to
>> any Finder window.
> 
> I think you misunderstand each other, gtr is not looking at a finder
> window but is using the Konsole app to look at the logs.
> And there is indeed no date column.

Duh. 

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#95531

On 2016-10-11 05:36:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-11 00:48:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-10 00:20:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>>>>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>>>>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of
>>>>>> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?
>>>> 
>>>> I found no "sort by date option".
>>> 
>>> Are you new to Macs? Any Finder window allows you to sort by date. View
>>> the directories above, and click the Date column to sort them by date.
>> 
>> 23 years; not new.
> 
> Are you sure about that?
> 
>> There is no date column to search on when looking
>> at ~/Library/Logs overall.
> 
> Nonsense. Any Finder window has a choice of date columns to display; and if
> no date column is currently displayed, it's a simple matter to add it to
> any Finder window.

I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.

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#95533

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2016-10-11 05:36:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-11 00:48:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-10-10 00:20:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2016-10-09, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2016-10-09 23:43:04 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>>>>>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>>>>>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yikes, those are big folders.  Most of which are sorted by the names of
>>>>>>> applications.  Any way to narrow my search?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You sorted them by date when looking at them? What are the first ten?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I found no "sort by date option".
>>>> 
>>>> Are you new to Macs? Any Finder window allows you to sort by date. View
>>>> the directories above, and click the Date column to sort them by date.
>>> 
>>> 23 years; not new.
>> 
>> Are you sure about that?
>> 
>>> There is no date column to search on when looking
>>> at ~/Library/Logs overall.
>> 
>> Nonsense. Any Finder window has a choice of date columns to display; and if
>> no date column is currently displayed, it's a simple matter to add it to
>> any Finder window.
> 
> I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.

Then maybe you should try looking at these directories Finder. My god, this
is like pulling teeth.

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#95534

On 2016-10-11 15:54:36 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

>> I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.
> 
> Then maybe you should try looking at these directories Finder. My god, this
> is like pulling teeth.

It certainly is; I'm trying to find out where to look, maybe in the 
console, maybe in folders, maybe under a rock, for residue that can 
tell me where and why the machine crashed.  That's why I asked.

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#95535

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2016-10-11 15:54:36 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
>>> I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.
>> 
>> Then maybe you should try looking at these directories Finder. My god, this
>> is like pulling teeth.
> 
> It certainly is; I'm trying to find out where to look, maybe in the 
> console, maybe in folders, maybe under a rock, for residue that can 
> tell me where and why the machine crashed.  That's why I asked.

You can't be serious. You trimmed off the places to look in your last reply
to me! Go back to my last and read what is in the quoted portion please.
Hint: it's at the top, just under "Michael Vilain said".

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#95536

On 2016-10-11 16:51:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-11 15:54:36 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>>> I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.
>>> 
>>> Then maybe you should try looking at these directories Finder. My god, this
>>> is like pulling teeth.
>> 
>> It certainly is; I'm trying to find out where to look, maybe in the
>> console, maybe in folders, maybe under a rock, for residue that can
>> tell me where and why the machine crashed.  That's why I asked.
> 
> You can't be serious. You trimmed off the places to look in your last reply
> to me! Go back to my last and read what is in the quoted portion please.
> Hint: it's at the top, just under "Michael Vilain said".

I assume that would be this:

> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.

Since I was talking specifically about the console, I attempted to find 
what Michael was talking about using those folders *in console* and 
could not find a way to sort by date. Can we move on now or do I need 
to stay "I'm stupid" or "duh" or something?

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#95537

On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2016-10-11 16:51:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-11 15:54:36 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.
>>>> 
>>>> Then maybe you should try looking at these directories Finder. My god, this
>>>> is like pulling teeth.
>>> 
>>> It certainly is; I'm trying to find out where to look, maybe in the
>>> console, maybe in folders, maybe under a rock, for residue that can
>>> tell me where and why the machine crashed.  That's why I asked.
>> 
>> You can't be serious. You trimmed off the places to look in your last reply
>> to me! Go back to my last and read what is in the quoted portion please.
>> Hint: it's at the top, just under "Michael Vilain said".
>
> I assume that would be this:
>
>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>
> Since I was talking specifically about the console, I attempted to find 
> what Michael was talking about using those folders *in console* and 
> could not find a way to sort by date. Can we move on now or do I need 
> to stay "I'm stupid" or "duh" or something?

You tell me whether we can move on. The question of which logs were
created around the time of the event still stands.

-- 
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#95538

On 2016-10-11 18:18:54 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2016-10-11, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-11 16:51:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-11 15:54:36 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm looking in the console not in the Finder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then maybe you should try looking at these directories Finder. My god, this
>>>>> is like pulling teeth.
>>>> 
>>>> It certainly is; I'm trying to find out where to look, maybe in the
>>>> console, maybe in folders, maybe under a rock, for residue that can
>>>> tell me where and why the machine crashed.  That's why I asked.
>>> 
>>> You can't be serious. You trimmed off the places to look in your last reply
>>> to me! Go back to my last and read what is in the quoted portion please.
>>> Hint: it's at the top, just under "Michael Vilain said".
>> 
>> I assume that would be this:
>> 
>>> The drive connect/disconnect stuff tells me it might be hardware
>>> related.  Hangs *can* produce log files.  Anything in /Library/Logs or
>>> ~/Library/Logs?  Hang logs usually end with .hang.
>> 
>> Since I was talking specifically about the console, I attempted to find
>> what Michael was talking about using those folders *in console* and
>> could not find a way to sort by date. Can we move on now or do I need
>> to stay "I'm stupid" or "duh" or something?
> 
> You tell me whether we can move on. The question of which logs were
> created around the time of the event still stands.

I suppose we can move on from the topic of exactly how stupid I am or 
am not, and exactly when I bought my first Mac.

Regarding finding logs that will tell me what I need to know, I haven't 
found them yet.  I now understand that the console is a mechanism for 
providing, all in a single location, references to documents that are 
actually located in the bowels of the Finder in individual files. If 
there are files in one of the many program directories within 
~/Library/Logs *in console* that relate to system hangs, I can't 
identify them since there is no sort by date *in console* but more 
problematically, they are sorted by program and lots of these programs 
I know nothing about.

Nevertheless, selecting any such folder at random and Revealing in 
Finder, ascending to the Logs folder within either the base Library or 
the user Library, I have now done searches within these locales for 
".hang" and have found only two old files: one each for Safari and 
FileChute.

For finding files from the time of the crash, I don't know a way to 
isolate the folders and sub-folders through which I must sort by date, 
for example, inside Library/Logs:

CrashReporter
DiagnosticReports
iStat Menus
  iStatMenusDaemon.log
  LittleSnitchDaemon.log
  LKDC-setup.log
Qmaster
  TechToolProDaemon.log
Xsan

While on line with Apple yesterday that had me run a Capture Data pass 
which I then forwarded to them.  This seems to have plenty of residue, 
or at least shifted time-stamps, which seem to throw my timings off by 
two hours.

In the future, once crashed, and rebooted, the first thing for me to 
do, then, would be to enter these two directories *in the finder*: 
/Library/Logs and ~/Library/Logs.  Once there, I should open a folder 
to begin looking for some residue at the time of crash.  Which would 
these be?

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