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  Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:18 -0400
    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 23:29 -0700
      Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2016-10-07 13:23 +0100
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-07 09:37 -0400
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 16:26 +0000
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 09:36 -0400
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:34 -0500
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 09:39 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:23 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-08 15:53 -0600
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 17:58 -0400
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-09 12:23 +1300
                  Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-08 23:00 -0600
                    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-09 19:16 +1300
                    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 11:20 -0400
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-07 22:06 +0000
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 09:45 -0400
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:29 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 15:47 +0000
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 12:51 -0400
                  Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 18:45 +0000
                    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 15:16 -0400
                      Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 21:00 +0000
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 19:55 -0400
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 08:39 -0700
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 20:43 +0000
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 20:17 -0400
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-09 01:35 +0000
                  Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-09 09:14 -0400
                    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 18:06 +0000
                      Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-10 23:59 -0400
                        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 00:22 -0400
                          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-13 16:17 -0400
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 06:42 +0000
                  Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-09 09:20 -0400
                    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 18:00 +0000
                      Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-11 00:05 -0400
                        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-11 05:28 +0000
                          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-13 16:22 -0400
                          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-13 16:24 -0400
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 19:57 -0700
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 11:39 +0000
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 09:51 -0400
      Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-07 10:41 -0400
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-07 11:38 -0400
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-07 17:26 -0400
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:15 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-08 21:08 -0400
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 10:08 -0400
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 08:46 -0700
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 14:17 -0500
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 14:12 -0700
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 18:40 -0500
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 10:12 -0400
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 15:39 +0000
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 20:27 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 11:19 -0400
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-11 00:06 -0400
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-08 21:14 -0400
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-09 09:27 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 18:08 +0000
    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-07 10:33 -0400
      Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 18:59 -0400
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 23:14 +0000
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 23:38 +0000
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-08 20:51 -0400
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 06:44 +0000
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-09 09:49 -0400
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-09 12:09 -0400
                  Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-11 00:14 -0400
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 18:01 +0000
                Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 16:37 -0700
                  Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-10 14:35 +1300
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 19:42 -0400
        Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 23:17 -0700
          Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-09 09:55 -0400
            Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-09 12:09 -0400
              Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-10-11 00:20 -0400
    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 16:26 +0000
    Re: Disable Desktop switch animation? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-07 22:03 +0000

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#95463

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-08 11:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>> It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
>> and then re-enable SIP after.
> 
> Could be.  Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled 
> and then run SIP enabled?

Yep. Many only need SIP to be disabled long enough to install into
protected locations, but run fine if SIP is re-enabled afterwards. The
tuntap macOS package <http://tuntaposx.sourceforge.net> is the most recent
one I've used that fits the description. It runs fine with SIP enabled, but
installation requires you to first disable SIP.

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#95464

On 2016-10-08 14:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-08 11:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
>>> and then re-enable SIP after.
>>
>> Could be.  Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled
>> and then run SIP enabled?
>
> Yep. Many only need SIP to be disabled long enough to install into
> protected locations, but run fine if SIP is re-enabled afterwards. The
> tuntap macOS package <http://tuntaposx.sourceforge.net> is the most recent
> one I've used that fits the description. It runs fine with SIP enabled, but
> installation requires you to first disable SIP.

Got it.  Makes sense as long as one is confident in what one is 
installing with SIP off.  tuntap fits that, at least.

Not even sure if I have tuntap installed at present.  I seem to recall 
needing it for a VPN at some point.  Latest version of that client seems 
to be more self contained.

-- 
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   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#95469

On 2016-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-08 14:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-08 11:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
>>>> and then re-enable SIP after.
>>>
>>> Could be.  Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled
>>> and then run SIP enabled?
>>
>> Yep. Many only need SIP to be disabled long enough to install into
>> protected locations, but run fine if SIP is re-enabled afterwards. The
>> tuntap macOS package <http://tuntaposx.sourceforge.net> is the most recent
>> one I've used that fits the description. It runs fine with SIP enabled, but
>> installation requires you to first disable SIP.
>
> Got it.  Makes sense as long as one is confident in what one is 
> installing with SIP off.  tuntap fits that, at least.
>
> Not even sure if I have tuntap installed at present.  I seem to recall 
> needing it for a VPN at some point.  Latest version of that client seems 
> to be more self contained.

I'm using it to run a network interface for Basilisk II that can be
reached from the internet (the built-in slirp interface can't reach the
net) so I can run an image of Zippy in emulation on a Mac mini Server:

<http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997> 

Zippy's currently taking a much-needed rest in a padded box after I
replaced his cooling fan. : )

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#95479

On 2016/10/08 10:29 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> distancing "root" from total control

OK, that doesn't seem like a bad idea. I'll look into it a little more. 
Thanks for that info.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95458

In article <ntat9g$hdm$1@dont-email.me>, MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> 
wrote:

> On 2016/10/07 6:06 PM, Lewis wrote:
> > Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.
> 
> Which is what and results in what?
> 
> > Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!
> 
> I suggested that and he said that that is also animated. Plus it takes 
> more time. Again, he's already become accustomed to instant, 
> non-animated transitions as with his Chromebook or Linux.
> 
> I like the animations of macOS myself; I was surprised to discover that 
> some people's neurology makes it unacceptable. My son says his 
> development sessions can't go more than about an hour.

This case goes beyond the "Mac vs. PC" conversation that's been in this 
thread thus far.  Since your son's nervous system can't deal with the 
animations and you can't customize the interface to turn them off, then 
don't use a Mac.  

He's seriously restricted by his neurology, then he shouldn't be using a 
system that interferes with it.  The Mac or even a Window box isn't 
trying to be all things to all people.  If you can't make it work for 
you and customize it, then don't use it.

Run Ubuntu.  Seriously.  (or whatever Linux flavor works for him on a 
laptop that will run it).  And yes, he gives up all the Mac-centric 
stuff.  But if it's making him sick and he can't deal with it, then 
don't use a computer that makes you sick.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#95467

In message <ntat9g$hdm$1@dont-email.me> 
  MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016/10/07 6:06 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

> Which is what and results in what?

>> Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!

> I suggested that and he said that that is also animated.

No it's not. I use it every day on my laptop. It does a very fast fade
to the new screen. No animation at all.

> Plus it takes more time.

No. It may be faster, and it certainly feels faster, but it is not
slower.

-- 
Adolescence is the period between childhood and adultery

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#95480

On 2016/10/08 4:43 PM, Lewis wrote:
> No it's not. I use it every day on my laptop. It does a very fast fade
> to the new screen. No animation at all.

It's animated on my Lion. It's animated on his El Capitan. Ergo, I 
suspect you've altered yours.

> but it is not
> slower.

Of course it is! When you've done whatever you've done to get the 
Mission Control screen, you should've gotten the next workspace instead.

For some reason, on mine I _have to_ use MC to get to Desktop 2. 
Ctrl-right doesn't work; but Ctrl-left does. <shrug> Ctrl-1 and Ctrl-2 
give error sounds. Ctrl-2 changes the selected file in Finder. :P

My Lubuntu netbook works EXACTLY like he wants.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95485

On 2016-10-09, MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
> For some reason, on mine I _have to_ use MC to get to Desktop 2. 
> Ctrl-right doesn't work; but Ctrl-left does. <shrug> Ctrl-1 and Ctrl-2 
> give error sounds. Ctrl-2 changes the selected file in Finder. :P

Check your System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Mission Control >
Move left a space & move right a space settings.

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#95491

On 2016/10/08 9:35 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Check your System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Mission Control >
> Move left a space & move right a space settings.

I did. That's how I knew what keys to use, the Ctrl-<arrow> keys. Now 
the wild thing is that I DL'd TinkerTool, told it to eliminate the 
animation and chose No Delay. Logged out and back in and *now Ctrl-left 
and Ctrl-right both work!* But the Spaces still slide. :(

And for some reason, I can't 3- or 4-finger swipe to other Spaces like 
other people say they can. I don't know how they get that because it's 
not in the Trackpad Prefs.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95502

In message <ntdfqs$3h1$1@dont-email.me> 
  MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016/10/08 9:35 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Check your System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Mission Control >
>> Move left a space & move right a space settings.

> I did. That's how I knew what keys to use, the Ctrl-<arrow> keys. Now 
> the wild thing is that I DL'd TinkerTool, told it to eliminate the 
> animation and chose No Delay. Logged out and back in and *now Ctrl-left 
> and Ctrl-right both work!* But the Spaces still slide. :(

> And for some reason, I can't 3- or 4-finger swipe to other Spaces like 
> other people say they can. I don't know how they get that because it's 
> not in the Trackpad Prefs.

How old is your machine? Really really old? Old trackpads didn't support
multi-touch. But that would be like 2006 or older?

-- 
Q: Does anyone know how many LOCs were in the Space Shuttle' codebase?
A: 45. It was written in perl (paraphrased Slashdot discussion)

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#95520

On 2016/10/09 2:06 PM, Lewis wrote:
> How old is your machine? Really really old?

Mid 2007 Mini running Lion. But my Trackpad is only a couple years old 
and does Multi-Touch.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95525

In article <ntho36$c7s$1@dont-email.me>, MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid>
wrote:

> > How old is your machine? Really really old?
> 
> Mid 2007 Mini running Lion. But my Trackpad is only a couple years old 
> and does Multi-Touch.

a 2007 mini is really old, so old that it cannot go beyond lion.

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#95571

On 2016/10/11 12:22 AM, nospam wrote:
> a 2007 mini is really old, so old that it cannot go beyond lion.

That is correct, sir. The early 2009 will run Sierra but I don't expect 
it to make the cut next time.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95489

In message <ntc2b5$his$1@dont-email.me> 
  MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016/10/08 4:43 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> No it's not. I use it every day on my laptop. It does a very fast fade
>> to the new screen. No animation at all.

> It's animated on my Lion. It's animated on his El Capitan. Ergo, I 
> suspect you've altered yours.

I am talking about the screen switching when the animation setting in
Accessibility is disabled which is how my Laptop is configured.

> Of course it is! When you've done whatever you've done to get the 
> Mission Control screen, you should've gotten the next workspace instead.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The speed *of the transition*.

-- 
He glanced cautiously at the dancing shapes, which made weird and
worrying shapes on the far wall - strange biped animals, eldritch
underground things... Carrot sighed. 'Stop making shadow pictures,
Detritus.'

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#95492

On 2016/10/09 2:42 AM, Lewis wrote:
> talking about the screen switching when the animation setting in
> Accessibility is disabled

OK, I don't have that setting (or Accessibility, for that matter. For me 
it's Universal Access).

> Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The speed *of the transition*.

No, unintentionally; because the speed of the transition is as 
irrelevant as its colour.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95500

In message <ntdg5o$4nf$1@dont-email.me> 
  MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016/10/09 2:42 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> talking about the screen switching when the animation setting in
>> Accessibility is disabled

> OK, I don't have that setting (or Accessibility, for that matter. For me 
> it's Universal Access).

>> Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The speed *of the transition*.

> No, unintentionally; because the speed of the transition is as 
> irrelevant as its colour.

Not when motion sickness is an issue, the speed of the transition is
extremely important. But regardless, the transition *feels* faster and
there's no animation, so I suspect no motion sickness either.

In earlier versions of the OS, there were defaults that could be changed
via the command line.

defaults write com.apple.dock expose-animation-duration -float 0.15

Also, using ^1 to go to space one is about twice as fast as using
control-left to go left one space.

If the computer in question doesn't understand the defaults command and
doesn't have a reduce motion setting in Accessibility, then upgrade it
to Sierra.


-- 
'What good is a candle at noonday?' --Sourcery

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#95521

On 2016/10/09 2:00 PM, Lewis wrote:
> Not when motion sickness is an issue, the speed of the transition is
> extremely important.

Well, the sufferer didn't complain about the *speed* of the slide; he 
complained about its *existence*.

> Also, using ^1 to go to space one is about twice as fast as using
> control-left to go left one space.

Yes. Odd and interesting that.

> If the computer in question doesn't understand the defaults command and
> doesn't have a reduce motion setting in Accessibility

They all understand the defaults command. He probably has Reduce Motion 
in Accessibility but it may not do the slide.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95527

In message <nthodu$dpd$1@dont-email.me> 
  MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016/10/09 2:00 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> Not when motion sickness is an issue, the speed of the transition is
>> extremely important.

> Well, the sufferer didn't complain about the *speed* of the slide; he 
> complained about its *existence*.

Yes, but the faster the slide the less noticeable it is.

>> Also, using ^1 to go to space one is about twice as fast as using
>> control-left to go left one space.

> Yes. Odd and interesting that.

>> If the computer in question doesn't understand the defaults command and
>> doesn't have a reduce motion setting in Accessibility

> They all understand the defaults command. He probably has Reduce Motion 
> in Accessibility but it may not do the slide.

No, they do not all understand the defaults command. In some versions of
OS X, including Lion I believe, the defaults command to disable the
animation does not do anything at all.

But in Sierra, the setting to reduce motion removes the animation.

-- 
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#95572

On 2016/10/11 1:28 AM, Lewis wrote:
> No, they do not all understand the defaults command. In some versions of
> OS X, including Lion I believe, the defaults command to disable the
> animation does not do anything at all.

'Understanding' the defaults command and the availability of options to 
it are different matters. Though not mentioned above, the availability 
_is_ actually the crucial concern for the issue at hand.

> But in Sierra, the setting to reduce motion removes the animation.

Thank you for that confirmation; I'll pass it along to him.
-- 
Malcolm

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#95573

On 2016/10/11 1:28 AM, Lewis wrote:
> We are born naked, wet and hungry

That's how she likes me best. ;)
-- 
Malcolm

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