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  Apple pushes Sierra via software update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-03 16:01 -0600
    Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-03 23:27 -0600
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:29 -0400
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-05 10:49 +1300
    Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-03 23:02 +0000
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-03 23:53 +0000
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 00:12 +0000
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-04 00:18 +0000
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-03 23:10 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-03 20:22 -0700
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-04 05:26 +0000
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 06:23 +0000
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-03 20:13 -0500
    Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-03 19:30 -0400
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 19:35 -0400
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-03 19:38 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 19:42 -0400
            Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-03 20:05 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-03 23:56 +0000
            Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-03 20:07 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 00:13 +0000
            Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-03 21:14 -0400
              Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 21:59 -0400
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-03 23:54 +0000
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-03 17:06 -0700
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-04 00:09 +0000
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-10-03 21:01 -0400
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-03 21:17 -0400
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 06:24 +0000
      Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-03 23:16 -0600
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-04 18:27 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update "Howard Lester" <howardxtlester@verizon.net> - 2016-10-05 19:00 -0400
            Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-05 17:11 -0700
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-04 14:24 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-04 18:32 +0000
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 23:21 +0000
            Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-04 19:35 -0400
              Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 19:43 -0400
              Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-05 04:03 +0000
        Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-04 18:22 -0400
          Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 18:43 -0400
            Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-06 16:30 -0400
              Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 16:37 -0400
                Re: Apple pushes Sierra via software update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-06 16:47 -0400

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#95188

On 2016-10-03 19:56, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-10-03, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-03 19:35, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <2padnQK1cvqxd2_KnZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
>>>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
>>>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
>>>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>>>
>>> the user always gets to decide. turn off auto-update. done.
>>
>> It is off in my case.  Always has been.  But many users have it on
>> automatic and they will get burned by this nonsense.
>
> I predict many more users will appreciate the fact that the OS does what
> they configured it to do. If I had automatic updates enabled and
> *didn't* receive them, I'd be pissed, personally.

IMO there is a divide between "updates" and major OS releases if only 
because of the large slice of bandwidth involved.  If I had uncapped (or 
a lot more) bandwidth, then I probably would be more forgiving.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#95191

In message <kN-dnSjaKdRzdm_KnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-03 19:35, nospam wrote:
>> In article <2padnQK1cvqxd2_KnZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
>>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
>>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
>>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>>
>> the user always gets to decide. turn off auto-update. done.

> It is off in my case.  Always has been.  But many users have it on 
> automatic and they will get burned by this nonsense.

They had to turn it on in the first place.

-- 
Happy Jack wasn't tall, but he was a man

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#95201

On 2016-10-03 20:13, Lewis wrote:
> In message <kN-dnSjaKdRzdm_KnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-03 19:35, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <2padnQK1cvqxd2_KnZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
>>>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
>>>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
>>>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>>>
>>> the user always gets to decide. turn off auto-update. done.
>
>> It is off in my case.  Always has been.  But many users have it on
>> automatic and they will get burned by this nonsense.
>
> They had to turn it on in the first place.

Some (many?) do so w/o understanding the full consequences.  While that 
may seem petty to those in "the know" it is also what alienates those 
who get surprised by an overage charge.


-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#95207

In article <BbednQ2tFsIcn27KnZ2dnUU7-UudnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> >>>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
> >>>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
> >>>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
> >>>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
> >>>
> >>> the user always gets to decide. turn off auto-update. done.
> >
> >> It is off in my case.  Always has been.  But many users have it on
> >> automatic and they will get burned by this nonsense.
> >
> > They had to turn it on in the first place.
> 
> Some (many?) do so w/o understanding the full consequences. While that 
> may seem petty to those in "the know" it is also what alienates those 
> who get surprised by an overage charge.

people learn from their mistakes.

next time, they'll leave it off.

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#95183

On 2016-10-03, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-03 18:01, Neill Massello wrote:
>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/>
>>
>> (But it's still not appearing in my App Store update pane.)
>
> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user 
> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth

The user *does* decide.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#95187

On 2016-10-03 23:30:52 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> said:

> On 2016-10-03 18:01, Neill Massello wrote:
>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/>
>> 
>> (But it's still not appearing in my App Store update pane.)
> 
> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user 
> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of 
> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period. 
> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.

Strange, I have never had automatic major OS DL's enabled on any of the 
Macs I have owned over the years, regardless of my circumstances of not 
having a bandwidth cap.
-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#95189

On 2016-10-04, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2016-10-03 23:30:52 +0000, Alan Browne 
><alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> said:
>
>> On 2016-10-03 18:01, Neill Massello wrote:
>>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/>
>>> 
>>> (But it's still not appearing in my App Store update pane.)
>> 
>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user 
>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of 
>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period. 
>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>
> Strange, I have never had automatic major OS DL's enabled on any of the 
> Macs I have owned over the years, regardless of my circumstances of not 
> having a bandwidth cap.

Same here.

-- 
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JR

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#95196

On 10/3/16 7:30 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2016-10-03 18:01, Neill Massello wrote:
>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/>
>>
>> (But it's still not appearing in my App Store update pane.)
>
> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>

Yeah, I'm sure your employer is cool with you burning his bandwidth for 
your personal use. And if you work for any governmental agency, the 
taxpayers are picking up your tab.

-- 
For each gallon of gas purchased in California, you pay 75 cents to the 
government and 8 cents for oil company profits. Those greedy oil companies…

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#95203

On 2016-10-03 21:01, Travis Bickle wrote:
> On 10/3/16 7:30 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2016-10-03 18:01, Neill Massello wrote:
>>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/>
>>>
>>> (But it's still not appearing in my App Store update pane.)
>>
>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>>
>
> Yeah, I'm sure your employer is cool with you burning his bandwidth for
> your personal use. And if you work for any governmental agency, the
> taxpayers are picking up your tab.

1) Not a government agency.

2) The company b/w cap is 1 TB / month and the company "burns" about 200 
GB per month.

3) As I am a major (not majority) shareholder, I think I can get away 
with it almost every time without risking the ire of the board, the 
other shareholders et al.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#95231

In message <nsuv1v$7b3$1@news.albasani.net> 
  Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> wrote:
> On 10/3/16 7:30 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2016-10-03 18:01, Neill Massello wrote:
>>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/03/macos-sierra-automatic-downloads/>
>>>
>>> (But it's still not appearing in my App Store update pane.)
>>
>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.  Let the user
>> decide when he wants to blow 4 or 5 GB of his bandwidth - for many of
>> us, there's a monthly cap and sometimes we defer into the next period.
>> Or DL at work and bring it home on a USB key.
>>

> Yeah, I'm sure your employer is cool with you burning his bandwidth for 
> your personal use. And if you work for any governmental agency, the 
> taxpayers are picking up your tab.

Yeah, those electrons are really expensive!


-- 
I WILL NOT INSTIGATE REVOLUTION Bart chalkboard Ep. 7G06

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#95226

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's. 

As others have said, adjust your App Store Preferences. The only one I
have checked is "Install system data files and security updates". 

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#95239

Alan Browne:
> > I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's. 

Neill Massello:
> As others have said, adjust your App Store Preferences. The only one I
> have checked is "Install system data files and security updates". 

Indeed. What /is/ Mr. Browne talking about? I have never had a Mac OS
update or upgrade, minor or major, automatically download.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#95260

On 2016-10-04 09:53, Davoud wrote:
> Alan Browne:
>>> I really wish Apple would stop automatic major OS DL's.
>
> Neill Massello:
>> As others have said, adjust your App Store Preferences. The only one I
>> have checked is "Install system data files and security updates".
>
> Indeed. What /is/ Mr. Browne talking about? I have never had a Mac OS
> update or upgrade, minor or major, automatically download.

He is talking about the fact that if auto downloads are enabled then 
major OS updates are included.  He is of the belief that while a good 
option for the maintenance of s/w (for some people, he does not use it 
at all), that such should not apply to the bandwidth heavy downloading 
of OS updates.  He is quite correct to have such an opinion and nobody 
is compelled to agree with him.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
    -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#95309

"Davoud"

> Indeed. What /is/ Mr. Browne talking about? I have never had a Mac OS
> update or upgrade, minor or major, automatically download.

Apparently my MacBook automatically downloaded Sierra today -- not of my 
doing. There is now a button on the Sierra screen (as seen in the Updates 
tab of the App Store) for me to click "Install." 

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#95316

On 2016-10-05 23:00:00 +0000, Howard Lester said:

> "Davoud"
> 
>> Indeed. What /is/ Mr. Browne talking about? I have never had a Mac OS
>> update or upgrade, minor or major, automatically download.
> 
> Apparently my MacBook automatically downloaded Sierra today -- not of 
> my doing. There is now a button on the Sierra screen (as seen in the 
> Updates tab of the App Store) for me to click "Install."

I think I got that on whatever the previous update was; it informed me 
that it had been downloaded and was ready to go with out my asking for 
it first.

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#95251

On 2016-10-04 01:16, Neill Massello wrote:

> As others have said, adjust your App Store Preferences. The only one I
> have checked is "Install system data files and security updates". 

On IOS, it appears that the handset still downloads the OS updates even
on cellular (in Canada) despite not giving App Store access to cellular
and not wanting automatic downloads.

It would not suprise me if OS-X (sorry, MacOS) also ignored the setting
and downloaded stuff anyways (but follow preferences on whether to
launch update or not).

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#95252

On 2016-10-04, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-04 01:16, Neill Massello wrote:
>
>> As others have said, adjust your App Store Preferences. The only one I
>> have checked is "Install system data files and security updates". 
>
> On IOS

This is a news group about macOS, and this thread is also about macOS.

> It would not suprise me if OS-X (sorry, MacOS) also ignored the setting
> and downloaded stuff anyways

Nope, there's a setting for that too at System Preferences > Download
newly available updates in the background.

-- 
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JR

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#95265

In message <57f3f3e9$0$2526$b1db1813$79461190@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-04 01:16, Neill Massello wrote:

>> As others have said, adjust your App Store Preferences. The only one I
>> have checked is "Install system data files and security updates". 

> On IOS, it appears that the handset still downloads the OS updates even
> on cellular (in Canada) despite not giving App Store access to cellular
> and not wanting automatic downloads.

Ni. iOS updates are only downloaded on Wifi.

> It would not suprise me if OS-X (sorry, MacOS) also ignored the setting
> and downloaded stuff anyways

Yes, but you are a FUD spreading shitpile who always has to find a way
to suspect Apple of eating babies.


-- 
The ability to ask question like 'Where am I and who is the "I" that is
asking?' is one of the things that distinguishes mankind from, say,
cuttlefish. --The Last Continent

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#95266

On 2016-10-04 19:21, Lewis wrote:

> Ni. iOS updates are only downloaded on Wifi.

Why then would I get a notification "IOS x.y is now ready to install,
install now or later" WHILE ON CELLULAR ?

If that notification apprared while on wi-fi, I could understand. But it
it appeared while I was on the road, it means download completed on
cellular.  (it may have started on wi-fi before I left home).

note that it was revealed in the current net neutrality regulatory
process in canada that the carriers zero-rate hadset updates and it is
possible they told Apple to go ahead and push software updates via cellular.

I have not gotten any explaintion frm @AppleSupport on why the software
update was downloaded outside of Wi-Fi. (provided them with screen shots
of relevant settinfgs that prevent app store from accessing cellular).

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#95267

In article <57f43cca$0$31350$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > Ni. iOS updates are only downloaded on Wifi.
> 
> Why then would I get a notification "IOS x.y is now ready to install,
> install now or later" WHILE ON CELLULAR ?

because it downloaded it the last time you were on wifi and also while
plugged in, likely the night before.

> If that notification apprared while on wi-fi, I could understand. But it
> it appeared while I was on the road, it means download completed on
> cellular.  (it may have started on wi-fi before I left home).

not only started it, but completed it.

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