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  Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-03 18:59 -0400
    Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 19:07 -0400
      Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-04 13:11 +0000
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:29 -0400
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-04 15:34 +0000
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-05 04:34 +0000
    Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 00:19 +0000
      Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-03 17:27 -0700
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-04 00:48 +0000
    Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-10-03 21:14 -0400
      Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-04 18:32 -0400
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-04 23:19 +0000
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-05 04:39 +0000
            Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 11:12 -0400
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-08 16:35 +0000
            Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-05 20:32 +0000
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-10-06 09:28 -0400
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:35 -0400
            Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-06 15:09 +0100
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-06 10:36 -0500
            Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-10-06 15:48 -0400
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:52 -0400
                Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-10-06 16:13 -0400
                  Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 16:39 -0400
                  Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-19 21:54 -0700
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 18:33 -0400
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-06 22:43 +0000
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-19 21:54 -0700
                Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-20 13:04 -0700
                  Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-20 20:09 +0000
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 10:33 -0400
                Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-01 09:41 -0700
                  Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 17:51 +0000
                  Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-02 02:54 +0000
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0400
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 18:32 -0400
    Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-18 10:33 -0700
      Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-18 12:44 -0500
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-20 13:06 -0700
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-20 20:08 +0000
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-21 09:00 +0000
      Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-10-19 08:31 +0000
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-19 08:27 -0700
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 17:54 -0500
          Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-19 19:24 -0400
            Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-20 12:47 -0700
              Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-20 16:08 -0400
        Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 17:54 -0500
      Re: Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-19 13:52 +0000

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#95159 — Apple wants to force Sierra onto ElCapitan owner ?

Apple to automatically cram macOS Sierra into Macs – 'cos that worked
well for Windows 10
And they say Microsoft never innovates anything…

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/03/apple_automatic_installs_of_macos_sierra/?mt=1475529306569


I take it that in reality, this will just be the background download of
that 5gig thing, but you still get an app that launches for install that
you can kill ?  (and article mentiones it does this only if you have
automatic downloads enabled).  Tempest in teapot ?

Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's consent.

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#95164

In article <57f2e2e4$0$1906$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Apple to automatically cram macOS Sierra into Macs ­ 'cos that worked
> well for Windows 10
> And they say Microsoft never innovates anythingŠ
> 
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/03/apple_automatic_installs_of_macos_si
> > erra/?mt=1475529306569
> 
> I take it that in reality, this will just be the background download of
> that 5gig thing, but you still get an app that launches for install that
> you can kill ?  (and article mentiones it does this only if you have
> automatic downloads enabled).  Tempest in teapot ?
> 
> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's consent.

from the above link,

  ...you have to have automatic updates enabled and the storage space
  to take it, and you have to explicitly agree to the installation...

by enabling automatic update, the user has consented to getting updates.

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#95234

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>   ...you have to have automatic updates enabled and the storage space
>   to take it, and you have to explicitly agree to the installation...
> 
> by enabling automatic update, the user has consented to getting updates.

But Sierra is an upgrade, not an update. Apple itself distinguishes 
between the two: https://support.apple.com/HT201564

-- 
K.

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#95245

In article <nt09qe$6c5$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> >   ...you have to have automatic updates enabled and the storage space
> >   to take it, and you have to explicitly agree to the installation...
> > 
> > by enabling automatic update, the user has consented to getting updates.
> 
> But Sierra is an upgrade, not an update. Apple itself distinguishes 
> between the two: https://support.apple.com/HT201564

irrelevant.

the point is if you click the checkbox, you are giving consent.

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#95247

Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> ...you have to have automatic updates enabled and the storage space
>> to take it, and you have to explicitly agree to the installation...
>> 
>> by enabling automatic update, the user has consented to getting updates.
> 
> But Sierra is an upgrade, not an update. Apple itself distinguishes 
> between the two: https://support.apple.com/HT201564

So? Where does it say that the automatic software update facility will
never be used for major releases?

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#95276

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> So? Where does it say that the automatic software update facility will
> never be used for major releases?

I'm just pointing out that:

-Apple makes a distinction between updates and upgrades,
-The automatic software update mechanism makes no mention of upgrades,
-It's not reasonable to assume that software upgrades won't be 
automatically downloaded, given the above two.

-- 
K.

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#95193

In message <57f2e2e4$0$1906$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's consent.

They don't. Users have to ENABLE automatic download.

-- 
Secret to a happy relationship: when you're wrong, admit it. When you're
right, shut up.

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#95194

On 2016-10-04 00:19:45 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:

> In message <57f2e2e4$0$1906$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's consent.
> 
> They don't. Users have to ENABLE automatic download.

I am still running El Capitan, OSX 10.11.6 and there has just been a 
vague hint that macOS 10.12 is available in the AppStore. So far nobody 
a Apple has even attempted to force me to download and install anything.

I will update to Seirra in my own time, at my convenience. Apple lets 
you do that.
-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#95195

On 2016-10-04, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2016-10-04 00:19:45 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
>> In message <57f2e2e4$0$1906$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
>>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's consent.
>> 
>> They don't. Users have to ENABLE automatic download.
>
> I am still running El Capitan, OSX 10.11.6 and there has just been a 
> vague hint that macOS 10.12 is available in the AppStore. So far nobody 
> a Apple has even attempted to force me to download and install anything.
>
> I will update to Seirra in my own time, at my convenience. Apple lets 
> you do that.

Right. I'm also still running 10.11 at the moment. I've been using macOS
since the Mac SE, and other platforms before that. In all that time,
Apple's never forced me to install anything, and nothing's been
installed without my consent.  

Automatic system updates is a relatively new (and completely optional)
feature introduced in macOS 10.10 Yosemite; and it's not really
surprising to me that it offers to upgrade to Sierra on systems where
the feature is enabled.

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#95202

On 10/3/16 6:59 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
> Apple to automatically cram macOS Sierra into Macs – 'cos that worked
> well for Windows 10
> And they say Microsoft never innovates anything…
>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/03/apple_automatic_installs_of_macos_sierra/?mt=1475529306569
>
>
> I take it that in reality, this will just be the background download of
> that 5gig thing, but you still get an app that launches for install that
> you can kill ?  (and article mentiones it does this only if you have
> automatic downloads enabled).  Tempest in teapot ?
>
> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's consent.
>

Well imagine that!

A high tech company pushes out a free upgrade to its newest operating 
system so its customers will be running the latest, most powerful, and 
most secure OS...yet pinheads find a reason to whine and complain.

-- 
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they leave it.

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#95261

On 2016-10-03 21:14, Travis Bickle wrote:
> On 10/3/16 6:59 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
>> Apple to automatically cram macOS Sierra into Macs – 'cos that worked
>> well for Windows 10
>> And they say Microsoft never innovates anything…
>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/03/apple_automatic_installs_of_macos_sierra/?mt=1475529306569
>>>
>>
>>
>> I take it that in reality, this will just be the background download of
>> that 5gig thing, but you still get an app that launches for install that
>> you can kill ?  (and article mentiones it does this only if you have
>> automatic downloads enabled).  Tempest in teapot ?
>>
>> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's
>> consent.
>>
>
> Well imagine that!
>
> A high tech company pushes out a free upgrade to its newest operating
> system so its customers will be running the latest, most powerful, and
> most secure OS...yet pinheads find a reason to whine and complain.

You've proven yourself a lightweight in such matters - the clear message 
is that for those with BW caps, it is not a welcome thing.


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    -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#95264

In message <lMqdnUvvbKqLs2nKnZ2dnUU7-I8AAAAA@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-10-03 21:14, Travis Bickle wrote:
>> On 10/3/16 6:59 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
>>> Apple to automatically cram macOS Sierra into Macs – 'cos that worked
>>> well for Windows 10
>>> And they say Microsoft never innovates anything…
>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/03/apple_automatic_installs_of_macos_sierra/?mt=1475529306569
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I take it that in reality, this will just be the background download of
>>> that 5gig thing, but you still get an app that launches for install that
>>> you can kill ?  (and article mentiones it does this only if you have
>>> automatic downloads enabled).  Tempest in teapot ?
>>>
>>> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's
>>> consent.
>>>
>>
>> Well imagine that!
>>
>> A high tech company pushes out a free upgrade to its newest operating
>> system so its customers will be running the latest, most powerful, and
>> most secure OS...yet pinheads find a reason to whine and complain.

> You've proven yourself a lightweight in such matters - the clear message 
> is that for those with BW caps, it is not a welcome thing.

Then they should not enable automatic downloads.

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her.

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#95277

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Then they should not enable automatic downloads.

What if I wanted automatic downloads of updates, but not of upgrades? 
Given the wording of the pref panel, and Apple's published distinction 
of the meanings of updates and upgrades, that is exactly what would be 
expected to happen.

-- 
K.

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#95279

In article <nt206m$5pb$2@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> What if I wanted automatic downloads of updates, but not of upgrades? 

manually download the updates but not the upgrades. very simple.

> Given the wording of the pref panel, and Apple's published distinction 
> of the meanings of updates and upgrades, that is exactly what would be 
> expected to happen.

given that very few people understand (or care about) the distinction
and that both are done using exactly the same mechanism, that being the
app store, it wouldn't be expected to happen.

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#95461

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > What if I wanted automatic downloads of updates, but not of upgrades? 
> 
> manually download the updates but not the upgrades. very simple.

Uh huh. I can automatically download the updates by manually downloading 
them. Of all the dumb things you have ever said...

-- 
K.

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#95282

In message <nt206m$5pb$2@dont-email.me> 
  Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> Then they should not enable automatic downloads.

> What if I wanted automatic downloads of updates, but not of upgrades? 
> Given the wording of the pref panel, and Apple's published distinction 
> of the meanings of updates and upgrades, that is exactly what would be 
> expected to happen.

Which is why I don't like this change. 



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words it couldn't ignore.

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#95331

On 10/4/16 6:32 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2016-10-03 21:14, Travis Bickle wrote:
>> On 10/3/16 6:59 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
>>> Apple to automatically cram macOS Sierra into Macs – 'cos that worked
>>> well for Windows 10
>>> And they say Microsoft never innovates anything…
>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/03/apple_automatic_installs_of_macos_sierra/?mt=1475529306569
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I take it that in reality, this will just be the background download of
>>> that 5gig thing, but you still get an app that launches for install that
>>> you can kill ?  (and article mentiones it does this only if you have
>>> automatic downloads enabled).  Tempest in teapot ?
>>>
>>> Still, I don't think 5 gig downloads should happen without user's
>>> consent.
>>>
>>
>> Well imagine that!
>>
>> A high tech company pushes out a free upgrade to its newest operating
>> system so its customers will be running the latest, most powerful, and
>> most secure OS...yet pinheads find a reason to whine and complain.
>
> You've proven yourself a lightweight in such matters - the clear message
> is that for those with BW caps, it is not a welcome thing.
>
>

Yeah, I'm sure that includes lots and lots of people.

Someone who can afford Macs and is willing to shell out two or three 
times what a Windows rig would have cost can't pony up a few bucks for 
internet service that allows him to download enough so that he can use 
his Apple toys...

-- 
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dealers undocumented pharmacists; thieves undocumented 
wealth-redistribution specialists; or trespassers uninvited house guests.
			 			- @RealJamesWoods

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#95332

In article <nt5jhr$hd6$1@news.albasani.net>, Travis Bickle
<3S96@taxi.net> wrote:

> 
> Someone who can afford Macs and is willing to shell out two or three 
> times what a Windows rig would have cost can't pony up a few bucks for 
> internet service that allows him to download enough so that he can use 
> his Apple toys...

macs are not 2-3x higher. they're similarly priced for similar specs.

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#95343

In article <061020160935035577%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <nt5jhr$hd6$1@news.albasani.net>, Travis Bickle
><3S96@taxi.net> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Someone who can afford Macs and is willing to shell out two or three 
>> times what a Windows rig would have cost can't pony up a few bucks for 
>> internet service that allows him to download enough so that he can use 
>> his Apple toys...
>
>macs are not 2-3x higher. they're similarly priced for similar specs.

You can't expect Windows nitwits to understand that. They can't do sums.

-- 
"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then 
 quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)

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#95345

On 10-06-2016 09:09, Tim Streater wrote:
> You can't expect Windows nitwits to understand that. They can't do sums.

Well, at least they can get online.  That makes them netwits.

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