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  Local items Keychain question s.s.kievits@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 00:57 -0800
    Re: Local items Keychain question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-19 15:54 +0000
      Re: Local items Keychain question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-19 23:59 +0000
        Re: Local items Keychain question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-20 04:32 +0000
          Re: Local items Keychain question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-20 06:58 +0000
    Re: Local items Keychain question John Somerset <somerset@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:07 -0500
      Re: Local items Keychain question Steve <s.s.kievits@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:58 -0800
        Re: Local items Keychain question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-01-19 10:49 -0800
          Re: Local items Keychain question Steve <s.s.kievits@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:53 -0800
            Re: Local items Keychain question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-01-19 22:55 -0800

#87266 — Local items Keychain question

The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?

If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after a certain time and only opened when I want and need it.

TIA,
Steve.

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#87267

<s.s.kievits@gmail.com> wrote:
> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?

Sure. It is locked when you log out, and is not accessible to other users
of the system.

> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after a
> certain time and only opened when I want and need it.

Why? Sounds like you are micromanaging your computer.

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#87272

In message <dg74haF23i6U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> <s.s.kievits@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
>> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?

> Sure. It is locked when you log out, and is not accessible to other users
> of the system.

>> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
>> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after a
>> certain time and only opened when I want and need it.

> Why? Sounds like you are micromanaging your computer.


But s/he can set the keychain to lock. And in fact, the keychain locks
all the time, For example, if the screen saver kicks in and you need a
password to unlock the screensaver, the keychain locks. You can also
open preferences in Keychain Access and put the keychain status on the
menu bar. This allows you to lock the screen andor keychains from the
menu bar.


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#87274

On 2016-01-19, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <dg74haF23i6U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> <s.s.kievits@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
>>> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
>
>> Sure. It is locked when you log out, and is not accessible to other users
>> of the system.
>
>>> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
>>> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after a
>>> certain time and only opened when I want and need it.
>
>> Why? Sounds like you are micromanaging your computer.
>
> And in fact, the keychain locks all the time, For example, if the
> screen saver kicks in and you need a password to unlock the
> screensaver, the keychain locks.

Same with logging out, yes. And at no time is the keychain available for
other users to access - even unlocked. 

> But s/he can set the keychain to lock. You can also open preferences
> in Keychain Access and put the keychain status on the menu bar. This
> allows you to lock the screen andor keychains from the menu bar.

There's no real need to lock keychains manually; you can lock the screen
that way though, which can be useful if you want to lock the screen
immediately.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#87279

In message <dg8gulFcs1eU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-01-19, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <dg74haF23i6U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> <s.s.kievits@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
>>>> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
>>
>>> Sure. It is locked when you log out, and is not accessible to other users
>>> of the system.
>>
>>>> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
>>>> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after a
>>>> certain time and only opened when I want and need it.
>>
>>> Why? Sounds like you are micromanaging your computer.
>>
>> And in fact, the keychain locks all the time, For example, if the
>> screen saver kicks in and you need a password to unlock the
>> screensaver, the keychain locks.

> Same with logging out, yes. And at no time is the keychain available for
> other users to access - even unlocked. 

Yep.

>> But s/he can set the keychain to lock. You can also open preferences
>> in Keychain Access and put the keychain status on the menu bar. This
>> allows you to lock the screen andor keychains from the menu bar.

> There's no real need to lock keychains manually;

No, there is no need at all. However, for those who favor paranoia over
sense, it is possible.

> you can lock the screen that way though, which can be useful if you
> want to lock the screen immediately.

I just use Shift-Control-Eject (or Power) to turn off the screen
immediately, which also locks it. No scrubbing for a menu item, and I
can do it quite literally as I walk away from the machine.

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#87268

On 1/19/16 3:57 AM, s.s.kievits@gmail.com wrote:
> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
>
> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after
> a certain time and only opened when I want and need it.
>
> TIA, Steve.
>

I believe Local Items is supposed to lock after a period of idleness, 
but I've never seen it happen.

In Keychain Preferences, General, you can click Show Status in Menu Bar. 
That makes it handy to lock and unlock keychains.

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#87269

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC+1, John Somerset wrote:
> On 1/19/16 3:57 AM, s.s.kievits@gmail.com wrote:
> > The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
> > passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
> >
> > If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
> > passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after
> > a certain time and only opened when I want and need it.
> >
> > TIA, Steve.
> >
> 
> I believe Local Items is supposed to lock after a period of idleness, 
> but I've never seen it happen.
> 
> In Keychain Preferences, General, you can click Show Status in Menu Bar. 
> That makes it handy to lock and unlock keychains.

Yeah, but no the Local items keychain.

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#87271

On 1/19/16 9:58 AM, Steve wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC+1, John Somerset wrote:
>> On 1/19/16 3:57 AM, s.s.kievits@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
>>> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
>>>
>>> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
>>> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after
>>> a certain time and only opened when I want and need it.
>>>
>>> TIA, Steve.
>>>
>>
>> I believe Local Items is supposed to lock after a period of idleness,
>> but I've never seen it happen.
>>
>> In Keychain Preferences, General, you can click Show Status in Menu Bar.
>> That makes it handy to lock and unlock keychains.
>
> Yeah, but no the Local items keychain.
>

Local Items is a special offshoot of the Login keychain and it locks and 
unlocks automatically with it.

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#87277

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 7:49:54 PM UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 1/19/16 9:58 AM, Steve wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC+1, John Somerset wrote:
> >> On 1/19/16 3:57 AM, s.s.kievits@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store the mail
> >>> passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
> >>>
> >>> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates the
> >>> passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to lock after
> >>> a certain time and only opened when I want and need it.
> >>>
> >>> TIA, Steve.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I believe Local Items is supposed to lock after a period of idleness,
> >> but I've never seen it happen.
> >>
> >> In Keychain Preferences, General, you can click Show Status in Menu Bar.
> >> That makes it handy to lock and unlock keychains.
> >
> > Yeah, but not the Local items keychain.
> >
> 
> Local Items is a special offshoot of the Login keychain and it locks and 
> unlocks automatically with it.

Thanks everybody. One post to JR got lost. Anyhow. Ah, the times of MT Newswatcher. Back to the subject...

Yeah, locking the login keychain locks the Local Items keychain too. Then again, you can't lock the Login keychain, because the OS puts all kind of stuff in there it needs regularly. ids: identity services ?? If you lock the Login keychain the OS keeps asking you for the password, so you leave it unlocked.

Steve.

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#87278

On 1/19/16 10:53 PM, Steve wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 7:49:54 PM UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 1/19/16 9:58 AM, Steve wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC+1, John Somerset
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/19/16 3:57 AM, s.s.kievits@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> The keychain seems to be the preferred one for Mail to store
>>>>> the mail passwords, but it remains unlocked. Is that OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I move the passwords to a keychain I created Mail creates
>>>>> the passwords anew in Local items. Weird. I want keychains to
>>>>> lock after a certain time and only opened when I want and
>>>>> need it.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA, Steve.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe Local Items is supposed to lock after a period of
>>>> idleness, but I've never seen it happen.
>>>>
>>>> In Keychain Preferences, General, you can click Show Status in
>>>> Menu Bar. That makes it handy to lock and unlock keychains.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but not the Local items keychain.
>>>
>>
>> Local Items is a special offshoot of the Login keychain and it
>> locks and unlocks automatically with it.
>
> Thanks everybody. One post to JR got lost. Anyhow. Ah, the times of
> MT Newswatcher. Back to the subject...
>
> Yeah, locking the login keychain locks the Local Items keychain too.
> Then again, you can't lock the Login keychain, because the OS puts
> all kind of stuff in there it needs regularly. ids: identity services
> ?? If you lock the Login keychain the OS keeps asking you for the
> password, so you leave it unlocked.
>
> Steve.
>

But it's locked when you want it to be. When you are actively using the
computer, it's not locked, but why would you want it to be locked then?

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