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  Spotlight anomaly John Somerset <somerset@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 23:25 -0500
    Re: Spotlight anomaly Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-15 08:54 -0500
      Re: Spotlight anomaly John Somerset <somerset@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 12:49 -0500
        Re: Spotlight anomaly John Somerset <somerset@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 14:50 -0500
          Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 20:00 +0000
        Re: Spotlight anomaly Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0500
      Re: Spotlight anomaly super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2016-01-15 20:20 -0600
        Re: Spotlight anomaly JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-15 22:40 -0500
          Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-16 04:22 +0000
        Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-16 04:29 +0000
          Re: Spotlight anomaly isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2016-01-16 09:50 -0800
            Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-16 18:20 +0000
              Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-17 02:45 +0000
                Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-17 04:30 +0000
                  Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-17 07:13 +0000
                    Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-17 20:46 +0000
                      Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-18 01:39 +0000
                        Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-18 04:17 +0000
                          Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-18 10:35 +0000
                            Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-18 16:05 +0000
                Re: Spotlight anomaly isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2016-01-16 21:02 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-17 07:16 +0000
        Re: Spotlight anomaly Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-16 19:16 -0500
          Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-17 00:20 +0000
            Re: Spotlight anomaly dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-01-17 12:59 +1100
          Re: Spotlight anomaly Elden Fenison <usenet@moondog.org> - 2016-01-31 23:10 -0600
            Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-02-01 18:06 +0000
        Re: Spotlight anomaly John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2016-01-17 11:55 -0500
          Re: Spotlight anomaly Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-01-17 12:26 -0500
          Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-17 18:07 +0000
          Re: Spotlight anomaly isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2016-01-17 10:20 -0800
          Re: Spotlight anomaly super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2016-01-17 23:43 -0600
            Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-18 06:11 +0000
              Re: Spotlight anomaly super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2016-01-18 14:14 -0600
                Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-18 20:50 +0000
                Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-19 04:22 +0000
            Re: Spotlight anomaly Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-18 10:36 +0000
              Re: Spotlight anomaly super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2016-01-18 13:52 -0600
                Re: Spotlight anomaly Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-18 20:48 +0000

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#87205

In article <slrnn9m06s.508.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <dfvg07F6d5vU1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> >> In article <dftv8cFp1lkU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with 
> >>>> as far as I'm concerned. 
> >>> 
> >>> Not me. I find Spotlight quite useful. And I'm not alone. It's a good 
> >>> thing
> >>> Apple doesn't design operating systems just fit little, old you. : )
> >>> 
> >>>> I use Spotless (probably isn't even available 
> >>>> on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in 
> >>>> the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
> >>> 
> >>> EasyFind is nowhere near as fast since it must scan files at the time of
> >>> search - especially when searching for content inside of files.
> >> 
> >> Yes, it is slow (as would be any search that hadn't done a lot of prior 
> >> Spotlight-style indexing), but it has the wonderful advantage of 
> >> searching *everything, everywhere*, as near as I can tell.
> >> 
> >> I sure wish Spotlight had an option for doing that.
> 
> > Spotlight is designed primarily for casual searches of high-level
> > documents. Most folks aren't interested in having various system logs,
> > cache files, internals, and so on appear in casual Spotlight search
> > results, which is why system files are excluded. 
> 
> But you can easily include them if you want.
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202121>

I've had that checked for years; it's useless. It can't find hidden 
files and folders (with a leading "." in the name), or the non-dotted 
files in them. EasyFind does, and searches their contents if asked.

Isaac

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#87211

In message <isw-373C48.21020316012016@news-roam.garlic.com> 
  isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnn9m06s.508.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <dfvg07F6d5vU1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <dftv8cFp1lkU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> >>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>> Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with 
>> >>>> as far as I'm concerned. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Not me. I find Spotlight quite useful. And I'm not alone. It's a good 
>> >>> thing
>> >>> Apple doesn't design operating systems just fit little, old you. : )
>> >>> 
>> >>>> I use Spotless (probably isn't even available 
>> >>>> on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in 
>> >>>> the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
>> >>> 
>> >>> EasyFind is nowhere near as fast since it must scan files at the time of
>> >>> search - especially when searching for content inside of files.
>> >> 
>> >> Yes, it is slow (as would be any search that hadn't done a lot of prior 
>> >> Spotlight-style indexing), but it has the wonderful advantage of 
>> >> searching *everything, everywhere*, as near as I can tell.
>> >> 
>> >> I sure wish Spotlight had an option for doing that.
>> 
>> > Spotlight is designed primarily for casual searches of high-level
>> > documents. Most folks aren't interested in having various system logs,
>> > cache files, internals, and so on appear in casual Spotlight search
>> > results, which is why system files are excluded. 
>> 
>> But you can easily include them if you want.
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202121>

> I've had that checked for years; it's useless. It can't find hidden 
> files and folders (with a leading "." in the name), or the non-dotted 
> files in them. EasyFind does, and searches their contents if asked.

No, it doesn't include hidden files because "System" ≠ "Hidden".

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and you're gonna die

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#87195

On 2016-01-15 21:20, super70s wrote:
> Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
> as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
> on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
> the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
>
> Who cares about "learning" what you search for the most -- is it worth
> the HD being commandeered all the time without your
> knowledge/permission? Not to me.

It's useful to me the majority of the time.  For the rest more primitive 
Finder searches will out what I need.  (Shouldn't say primitive, they're 
quite powerful).

"HD being commandeered all the time"?

Well.  No.  It indexes and then does updates to the indexes.  Hardly 
uses CPU or disk access time after that.

You might want to consider that a) the computer is there to work for you 
and that b) an idle computer isn't all that productive for anyone.

-- 
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               ..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

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#87197

On 2016-01-17, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-01-15 21:20, super70s wrote:
>> Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
>> as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
>> on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
>> the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
>>
>> Who cares about "learning" what you search for the most -- is it worth
>> the HD being commandeered all the time without your
>> knowledge/permission? Not to me.
>
> It's useful to me the majority of the time.  For the rest more primitive 
> Finder searches will out what I need.  (Shouldn't say primitive, they're 
> quite powerful).
>
> "HD being commandeered all the time"?
>
> Well.  No.  It indexes and then does updates to the indexes.  Hardly 
> uses CPU or disk access time after that.
>
> You might want to consider that a) the computer is there to work for you 
> and that b) an idle computer isn't all that productive for anyone.

Some people apparently prefer to spend their time babysitting their
computer rather than letting the computer do the job of getting shit
done and moving on to the next thing. Personally, my time is much more
valuable than that. I get lots of shit done with my machines, and it
pays *very* well. : )

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#87199

In article <dg053bFbeb4U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> ... I get lots of shit done with my machines, and it
> pays *very* well.

You are so wonderful that you *deserve* the relaxing time to boast and 
bullshit about how wonderful you are. Dipstick!

-- 
dorayme

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#88383

On 2016-01-17, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> "HD being commandeered all the time"?
>
> Well.  No.  It indexes and then does updates to the indexes.  Hardly 
> uses CPU or disk access time after that.

As I recall, there are low-level OS hooks where disk write operations
will update the Spotlight indexes as they occur. I think that's pretty
slick.

-- 
-=Elden=-

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#88435

On 2016-02-01, Elden Fenison <usenet@moondog.org> wrote:
> On 2016-01-17, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> "HD being commandeered all the time"?
>>
>> Well.  No.  It indexes and then does updates to the indexes.  Hardly 
>> uses CPU or disk access time after that.
>
> As I recall, there are low-level OS hooks where disk write operations
> will update the Spotlight indexes as they occur. I think that's pretty
> slick.

Yep, it's done with the File System Events API:

<https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/FSEvents_ProgGuide/Introduction/Introduction.html>

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#87224

On 1/15/16 9:20 PM, super70s wrote:
> Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
> as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
> on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
> the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.

Same here.

One of the FIRST THINGS I do with any OS install is disable Spotlight, 
then delete all the indexes.

Then I put on "EasyFind" and "FindAnyFile", and I'm done.

Guess I'm not the only one to loathe Spotlight.

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#87225

super70s:
> > Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
> > as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
> > on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
> > the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.

John Albert:
> Same here.
> 
> One of the FIRST THINGS I do with any OS install is disable Spotlight, 
> then delete all the indexes.
> 
> Then I put on "EasyFind" and "FindAnyFile", and I'm done.
> 
> Guess I'm not the only one to loathe Spotlight.

That's just fine--for you. But Spotlight serves my needs, so I'll
continue to use it and hope that no one take that personally.

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#87226

In message <FHPmy.165406$zT1.35518@fx26.iad> 
  John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> On 1/15/16 9:20 PM, super70s wrote:
>> Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
>> as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
>> on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
>> the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.

> Same here.

> One of the FIRST THINGS I do with any OS install is disable Spotlight, 
> then delete all the indexes.

> Then I put on "EasyFind" and "FindAnyFile", and I'm done.

> Guess I'm not the only one to loathe Spotlight.

You loathe something you never use and have no interaction with? Right,
that's what is known as 'irrational'.

-- 
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#87227

In article <FHPmy.165406$zT1.35518@fx26.iad>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 1/15/16 9:20 PM, super70s wrote:
> > Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
> > as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
> > on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
> > the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
> 
> Same here.
> 
> One of the FIRST THINGS I do with any OS install is disable Spotlight, 
> then delete all the indexes.
> 
> Then I put on "EasyFind" and "FindAnyFile", and I'm done.
> 
> Guess I'm not the only one to loathe Spotlight.

The last time I did a content search using EasyFind (after Spotlight 
failed to find the file containing the search argument), it took about 
two hours to search something over a million files, but it did find what 
I needed. I use Spotlight when it works because I'm just not willing to 
wait that long when I don't have to.

Isaac

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#87243

In article <FHPmy.165406$zT1.35518@fx26.iad>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 1/15/16 9:20 PM, super70s wrote:
> > Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
> > as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
> > on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
> > the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
> 
> Same here.
> 
> One of the FIRST THINGS I do with any OS install is disable Spotlight, 
> then delete all the indexes.
> 
> Then I put on "EasyFind" and "FindAnyFile", and I'm done.
> 
> Guess I'm not the only one to loathe Spotlight.

EasyFind isn't as slow as the Spotlight/"Apple can do no wrong" 
defenders in here are making it out to be. You can drag a folder to the 
desktop and have EasyFind only search that folder, which is all I need 
to do the majority of the time. Also you can search only for Files, or 
Folders, or Files & Folders, or File Contents with EasySearch.

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#87244

super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> 
> EasyFind isn't as slow as the Spotlight/"Apple can do no wrong" 
> defenders in here are making it out to be.  

Just because someone appreciates what Spotlight gives then doesn't make
them an irrational defender of all things Apple.

> You can drag a folder to the 
> desktop and have EasyFind only search that folder, which is all I need 
> to do the majority of the time. 

You can do that with Spotlight without having to launch an app, and the
results will be displayed faster as well.

> Also you can search only for Files, or 
> Folders, or Files & Folders, or File Contents with EasySearch.

Same as Spotlight, only slower.

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#87257

In article <dg3dvmF643oU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> You can do that with Spotlight without having to launch an app, and the
> results will be displayed faster as well.

EasyFind's alias is in my Apple menu courtesy of FruitMenu. Doesn't take 
me any extra time at all to launch it.

I might lose a few seconds in an actual search compared to Spotlight, 
but with a MUCH better interface when the results come up with EasyFind.

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#87260

On 2016-01-18, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> In article <dg3dvmF643oU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> You can do that with Spotlight without having to launch an app, and the
>> results will be displayed faster as well.
>
> EasyFind's alias is in my Apple menu courtesy of FruitMenu. Doesn't take 
> me any extra time at all to launch it.

Doesn't change the fact that you have to launch it, while I simply
type a search query into any Finder window.

> I might lose a few seconds in an actual search compared to Spotlight, 
> but with a MUCH better interface when the results come up with EasyFind.

You lose *far* more than a few seconds versus almost instant Spotlight
search results.

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#87263

In message <super70s-DC4C17.14141118012016@boina.datemas.de> 
  super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> In article <dg3dvmF643oU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> You can do that with Spotlight without having to launch an app, and the
>> results will be displayed faster as well.

> EasyFind's alias is in my Apple menu courtesy of FruitMenu. Doesn't take 
> me any extra time at all to launch it.

> I might lose a few seconds in an actual search compared to Spotlight, 
> but with a MUCH better interface when the results come up with EasyFind.

It might be a few seconds difference when you are looking at one folder
with a few dozen files on it. It will be several *hours* when you need
to search the whole drive.

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#87249

In message <super70s-0E095A.23434417012016@boina.datemas.de> 
  super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> In article <FHPmy.165406$zT1.35518@fx26.iad>,
>  John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

>> On 1/15/16 9:20 PM, super70s wrote:
>> > Spotlight is one of the most obnoxious features Apple ever came out with
>> > as far as I'm concerned. I use Spotless (probably isn't even available
>> > on the recent systems) to get rid of it -- both in the menu bar and in
>> > the background -- and EasyFind if I need to find something.
>> 
>> Same here.
>> 
>> One of the FIRST THINGS I do with any OS install is disable Spotlight, 
>> then delete all the indexes.
>> 
>> Then I put on "EasyFind" and "FindAnyFile", and I'm done.
>> 
>> Guess I'm not the only one to loathe Spotlight.

> EasyFind isn't as slow as the Spotlight/"Apple can do no wrong" 
> defenders in here are making it out to be. You can drag a folder to the 
> desktop and have EasyFind only search that folder, which is all I need 
> to do the majority of the time.

I can also do that with Spotlight, and it's much faster.

> Also you can search only for Files, or 
> Folders, or Files & Folders, or File Contents with EasySearch.

I can also do that with Spotlight, and it's much faster.

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#87255

In article <slrnn9pg65.kof.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > EasyFind isn't as slow as the Spotlight/"Apple can do no wrong" 
> > defenders in here are making it out to be. You can drag a folder to the 
> > desktop and have EasyFind only search that folder, which is all I need 
> > to do the majority of the time.
> 
> I can also do that with Spotlight, and it's much faster.
> 
> > Also you can search only for Files, or 
> > Folders, or Files & Folders, or File Contents with EasySearch.
> 
> I can also do that with Spotlight, and it's much faster.

Go nuts with it then. I know when I've done things like clone systems 
Spotlight NEVER could settle itself down from constant indexing. It 
completely useless when that's going on.

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#87259

On 2016-01-18, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnn9pg65.kof.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> > EasyFind isn't as slow as the Spotlight/"Apple can do no wrong" 
>> > defenders in here are making it out to be. You can drag a folder to the 
>> > desktop and have EasyFind only search that folder, which is all I need 
>> > to do the majority of the time.
>> 
>> I can also do that with Spotlight, and it's much faster.
>> 
>> > Also you can search only for Files, or 
>> > Folders, or Files & Folders, or File Contents with EasySearch.
>> 
>> I can also do that with Spotlight, and it's much faster.
>
> Go nuts with it then. I know when I've done things like clone systems 
> Spotlight NEVER could settle itself down from constant indexing. It 
> completely useless when that's going on.

PEBKAC - no such "issues" here.

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