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El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone?

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  El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 04:43 -0400
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-10-08 11:13 +0100
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:36 -0400
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 13:36 -0400
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 08:38 -0400
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 17:23 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:30 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 20:39 +0000
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:46 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 17:02 -0400
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:17 +0000
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 17:37 -0400
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:48 +0000
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:21 -0400
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:48 +0000
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:29 -0400
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:01 +0000
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:06 -0400
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:16 +0000
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:05 -0400
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-09 15:57 +0000
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 12:50 -0400
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:01 +0000
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:43 -0400
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-09 18:14 +0000
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:29 -0400
                                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-09 14:56 -0400
                                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0400
                                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-09 15:13 -0400
                                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:58 +0000
                                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:11 -0400
                                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 21:04 +0000
                                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 17:16 -0400
                                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:56 +0000
                                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:09 -0400
                                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 11:18 -0400
                                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 11:37 -0400
                                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 11:54 -0400
                                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 12:07 -0400
                                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 12:41 -0400
                                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 13:33 -0400
                                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 21:03 +0000
                                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 17:15 -0400
                                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 17:49 -0400
                                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 19:13 -0400
                                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-12 03:10 +0000
                                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-12 09:12 -0400
                                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-12 15:13 +0000
                                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-12 12:03 -0400
                                                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-12 22:31 +0000
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:26 -0400
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:39 +0000
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:59 +0000
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:45 +0000
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:26 -0400
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:00 +0000
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:24 -0400
                                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:39 +0000
                                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 15:12 -0400
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-09 12:09 +0100
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-08 22:21 +0000
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-10-08 20:53 -0500
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:49 +0000
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 17:53 -0400
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 22:01 +0000
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:08 -0400
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:16 +0000
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:03 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:09 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:22 +0000
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-08 10:24 -0700
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:27 -0400
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 17:29 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-08 11:26 -0700
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 20:13 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:50 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 15:29 -0400
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-10 02:15 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 14:21 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 18:51 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-09 12:09 +1300
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-10-08 13:49 -0500
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:35 -0400
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:31 -0400
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 20:40 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:47 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 17:56 -0400
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 22:03 +0000
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:08 -0400
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:16 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-08 16:40 -0700
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:22 +0000
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-09 10:14 -0700
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:04 +0000
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-09 14:11 -0700
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:09 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:11 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:17 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 20:14 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-10-09 20:18 +0100
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-10 04:00 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-09 08:04 -0700
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-10 16:00 +1300
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-10 04:05 +0000
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-10 11:02 -0700
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-11 10:39 +1300
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-11 10:10 -0700
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 13:38 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 02:02 +0000
                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-11 10:16 -0700
                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 21:06 +0000
                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-13 11:08 -0700
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-13 14:10 -0400
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-13 21:22 +0200
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-13 15:24 -0400
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-13 21:30 +0200
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-13 15:30 -0400
                                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-13 21:39 +0200
                                    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-13 19:41 +0000
                                      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-13 21:44 +0200
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-13 22:43 +0000
                        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-13 22:42 +0000
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-14 05:03 +0200
                            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-14 07:41 +0000
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-14 10:22 +0200
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-14 15:02 +0000
                                  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-14 17:32 +0200
                              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-14 19:14 -0400
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-14 23:19 +0000
                                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? android <here@there.was> - 2015-10-15 06:31 +0200
                          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-14 09:59 -0700
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-08 15:04 +0000

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#82561

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-08 18:51 +0000
Message-ID	<d7nsa7Fe4tnU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82546

On 2015-10-08, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> I have not checked the current product line, does Apple still sell
> machines with spinning rust platters, or is it all SSD now ?
>
> If Apple intends to move its full product line to SSD, then it makes
> sense to remove secure erase (at least until SSD manufacturers provide
> low level functions to explicitely zap a page.

No need for any of that nonsense if you use full disk encryption.

[inconsequential TRIM discussion omitted]

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#82631

From	dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date	2015-10-09 12:09 +1300
Message-ID	<1mc0tdg.1518c6a1i1fivzN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to	#82546

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2015-10-08 13:27, nospam wrote:
> 
> > secure erase has been removed in el capitan.
> 
> 
> does rm -P still exist ?
> 
> 
> I have not checked the current product line, does Apple still sell
> machines with spinning rust platters, or is it all SSD now ?

These still have spinning hard drives in standard configurations, with
SSDs as options (also Fusion drives as options for the desktop models):

MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2012) - the last with optical drive etc.
iMac
Mac Mini

The rest are SSD only for internal drives:

MacBook (12-inch, Retina Display)
MacBook Air
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Retina Display)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Retina Display)
Mac Pro

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#82559

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-10-08 13:49 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1510081348020.7722@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#82528

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On Thursday, 08 October 2015 13:27 -0400, 
 in article <081020151327294190%nospam@nospam.invalid>, 
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> secure erase has been removed in el capitan.

 $ ls -lF /usr/bin/srm
 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  33616 Sep 17 02:07 /usr/bin/srm*

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#82581

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 16:35 -0400
Message-ID	<3eidneBer_QbTovLnZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#82528

On 2015-10-08 13:27, nospam wrote:
> In article <D23BF4CB.5F80E%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>
>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>
>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>
> secure erase has been removed in el capitan.

Secure Empty Trash has been removed but you can still erase in Disk 
Utility and srm is still there if needed.

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#82580

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 16:31 -0400
Message-ID	<S7qdnWs1Hps7T4vLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#82523

On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>
>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>> Did I miss something?
>>>
>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>
>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>
> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.

Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.

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#82583

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-08 20:40 +0000
Message-ID	<d7o2l5Ffb2kU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82580

On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
>> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>
>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>
>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>
>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>
> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.

Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
trash.

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#82587

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 16:47 -0400
Message-ID	<bYidnRO-pqH9S4vLnZ2dnUU7-W-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#82583

On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
>>> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
>>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>>
>>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>>
>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>
>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>
> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
> trash.

Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then 
again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in 
style.

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#82593

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
Message-ID	<d7o3qpFgbrkU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82587

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
>>>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>>> 
>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>> 
>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>> 
>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>> trash.
> 
> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then 
> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in 
> style.

Huh?! Of course you can. 

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#82607

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 17:56 -0400
Message-ID	<ZLydncwgOcIPe4vLnZ2dnUU7-QmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#82593

On 2015-10-08 17:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
>>>>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>>>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>>>>
>>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>>>
>>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>>>
>>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>>> trash.
>>
>> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then
>> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in
>> style.
>
> Huh?! Of course you can.

As I said, I wasn't sure.  For example I can't open or run a file that's 
in the trash, so not sure what ops I can do on them when in the trash 
(other than move or delete).

IAC, I have a batch file to do a periodic sweep and srm on any file or 
folder in the folder "AAA" on any volume on my system.  So anything I 
want to really nuke I move into there and from time to time run the batch.

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#82610

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-08 22:03 +0000
Message-ID	<d7o7h8Fh12eU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82607

On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 17:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
>>>>>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>>>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>>>>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>>>>
>>>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>>>> trash.
>>>
>>> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then
>>> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in
>>> style.
>>
>> Huh?! Of course you can.
>
> As I said, I wasn't sure.  For example I can't open or run a file that's 
> in the trash, so not sure what ops I can do on them when in the trash 
> (other than move or delete).
>
> IAC, I have a batch file to do a periodic sweep and srm on any file or 
> folder in the folder "AAA" on any volume on my system.  So anything I 
> want to really nuke I move into there and from time to time run the batch.

You can run shell commands with AppleScript's "do shell script" command
as well.

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#82615

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 18:08 -0400
Message-ID	<6L6dnSrW2uLsdIvLnZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#82610

On 2015-10-08 18:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-10-08 17:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-10-08 13:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/8/15, 3:13 AM, in article mv5fki$76u$2@speranza.aioe.org, "Calum"
>>>>>>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>>>>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>>>>>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>>>>> trash.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then
>>>> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in
>>>> style.
>>>
>>> Huh?! Of course you can.
>>
>> As I said, I wasn't sure.  For example I can't open or run a file that's
>> in the trash, so not sure what ops I can do on them when in the trash
>> (other than move or delete).
>>
>> IAC, I have a batch file to do a periodic sweep and srm on any file or
>> folder in the folder "AAA" on any volume on my system.  So anything I
>> want to really nuke I move into there and from time to time run the batch.
>
> You can run shell commands with AppleScript's "do shell script" command
> as well.

Surely.  (I'll dig into it some day.  Yep.  Really.  I will...)

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#82618

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 18:16 -0400
Message-ID	<5616eb08$0$46847$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#82607

On 2015-10-08 17:56, Alan Browne wrote:

> As I said, I wasn't sure.  For example I can't open or run a file that's 
> in the trash, so not sure what ops I can do on them when in the trash 
> (other than move or delete).

Unix commands such as "rm" work fine in the directory called .Trash

If you work with .Trashes at the top of the device, you may have to use
"sudo" and/or confirm overriding security on subfolders that belong to
others. (and some may be "no delete".

But the actual files should be deletable without problem.

It is the gui Finder which refuses certain operations when a file is in
a directory called .Trash or .Trashes.

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#82642

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-08 16:40 -0700
Message-ID	<D23C4D0D.5F944%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82593

On 10/8/15, 2:00 PM, in article d7o3qpFgbrkU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>>> 
>>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>>> 
>>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>>> trash.
>> 
>> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then
>> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in
>> style.
> 
> Huh?! Of course you can.

And you have been able to for a long time. Even in Classic Mac. I had a
bizarre little AppleScript where my Trash would "chase" my hard drive around
the screen. The hard drive "wanted" to get to the center of the screen to
some other icon (I do not even recall what now) but avoid the Trash.

If the Trash "caught" the hard drive it then the hard drive would be thrown
out. And then emptied.

Of course, I did not really throw out the hard drive! It was moved off
screen and another file was copied to the Trash. Then the Trash would move
back its standard spot and "burp" the hard drive out which would start the
whole thing over again.

OK, I never said it was a useful AppleScipt, but in making it I did move
things in and out of the Trash and otherwise work with it. No issue at all.

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#82723

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-09 07:22 +0000
Message-ID	<d7p88pFoilrU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82642

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/8/15, 2:00 PM, in article d7o3qpFgbrkU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>>>> 
>>>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>>>> trash.
>>> 
>>> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then
>>> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in
>>> style.
>> 
>> Huh?! Of course you can.
> 
> And you have been able to for a long time. Even in Classic Mac. I had a
> bizarre little AppleScript where my Trash would "chase" my hard drive around
> the screen. The hard drive "wanted" to get to the center of the screen to
> some other icon (I do not even recall what now) but avoid the Trash.
> 
> If the Trash "caught" the hard drive it then the hard drive would be thrown
> out. And then emptied.
> 
> Of course, I did not really throw out the hard drive! It was moved off
> screen and another file was copied to the Trash. Then the Trash would move
> back its standard spot and "burp" the hard drive out which would start the
> whole thing over again.
> 
> OK, I never said it was a useful AppleScipt, but in making it I did move
> things in and out of the Trash and otherwise work with it. No issue at all.

If you ever find that script, I'd love a copy. : )

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#82780

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-09 10:14 -0700
Message-ID	<D23D4406.5FAD7%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82723

On 10/9/15, 12:22 AM, in article d7p88pFoilrU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/8/15, 2:00 PM, in article d7o3qpFgbrkU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> No SSD here... and the feature seems to be gone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Move the files to a folder from the trash and srm them there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>>>>> trash.
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure you can act on things in the trash from Apple Script (then
>>>> again I haven't tried).  For some reason I find Apple Script awkward in
>>>> style.
>>> 
>>> Huh?! Of course you can.
>> 
>> And you have been able to for a long time. Even in Classic Mac. I had a
>> bizarre little AppleScript where my Trash would "chase" my hard drive around
>> the screen. The hard drive "wanted" to get to the center of the screen to
>> some other icon (I do not even recall what now) but avoid the Trash.
>> 
>> If the Trash "caught" the hard drive it then the hard drive would be thrown
>> out. And then emptied.
>> 
>> Of course, I did not really throw out the hard drive! It was moved off
>> screen and another file was copied to the Trash. Then the Trash would move
>> back its standard spot and "burp" the hard drive out which would start the
>> whole thing over again.
>> 
>> OK, I never said it was a useful AppleScipt, but in making it I did move
>> things in and out of the Trash and otherwise work with it. No issue at all.
> 
> If you ever find that script, I'd love a copy. : )

I do not think I still have it. Was modified from an older Apple IIe BASIC
program I had with a "bee" (a black dot and a yellow dot) being chases by a
"bird" (three dots in a "V" formation) with the "bee" trying to get to a
"flower" in the center of the screen (four red dots in a square). I ended up
using this in a Philosophy class to look at how people thought of free will
(techies described the action in "algorithms", non-techies described it as
"desires"). 

I *do* still have copies of an old AIM bot I made:
<http://prescottcomputerguy.com/turing/>

It was basically just a big look up table with some clever(ish) rating
systems and ways of parsing names... but would often be confused for a human
for hours (and then would crash because of memory overflows or whatever).

Full code is there and open source.



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* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
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#82796

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-09 18:04 +0000
Message-ID	<d7qdu0F25gvU12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82780

On 2015-10-09, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/9/15, 12:22 AM, in article d7p88pFoilrU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> If you ever find that script, I'd love a copy. : )
>
> I do not think I still have it. Was modified from an older Apple IIe BASIC
> program I had with a "bee" (a black dot and a yellow dot) being chases by a
> "bird" (three dots in a "V" formation) with the "bee" trying to get to a
> "flower" in the center of the screen (four red dots in a square). I ended up
> using this in a Philosophy class to look at how people thought of free will
> (techies described the action in "algorithms", non-techies described it as
> "desires"). 

Well if you ever find it...  : )

> I *do* still have copies of an old AIM bot I made:
><http://prescottcomputerguy.com/turing/>
>
> It was basically just a big look up table with some clever(ish) rating
> systems and ways of parsing names... but would often be confused for a human
> for hours (and then would crash because of memory overflows or whatever).
>
> Full code is there and open source.

Neat. Back when IRC was much more popular, I ran Infobot, and it
provided many who visited my channel hours of entertainment. : )

<http://infobot.sourceforge.net>

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#82863

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-09 14:11 -0700
Message-ID	<D23D7BA7.5FBA0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82796

On 10/9/15, 11:04 AM, in article d7qdu0F25gvU12@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-10-09, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/9/15, 12:22 AM, in article d7p88pFoilrU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If you ever find that script, I'd love a copy. : )
>> 
>> I do not think I still have it. Was modified from an older Apple IIe BASIC
>> program I had with a "bee" (a black dot and a yellow dot) being chases by a
>> "bird" (three dots in a "V" formation) with the "bee" trying to get to a
>> "flower" in the center of the screen (four red dots in a square). I ended up
>> using this in a Philosophy class to look at how people thought of free will
>> (techies described the action in "algorithms", non-techies described it as
>> "desires"). 
> 
> Well if you ever find it...  : )

If I find it I will happily share. Did not work in OS X though... and I
never looked into why (well, I went far enough to change what folders it
moved, given how their is no desktop Trash on OS X... but still did not
work).

>> I *do* still have copies of an old AIM bot I made:
>> <http://prescottcomputerguy.com/turing/>
>> 
>> It was basically just a big look up table with some clever(ish) rating
>> systems and ways of parsing names... but would often be confused for a human
>> for hours (and then would crash because of memory overflows or whatever).
>> 
>> Full code is there and open source.
> 
> Neat. Back when IRC was much more popular, I ran Infobot, and it
> provided many who visited my channel hours of entertainment. : )
> 
> <http://infobot.sourceforge.net>

My then-girlfriend (now my wife) and I used to watch it run. The logs do not
do it justice. In the chat rooms you did not know for certain who it was
responding to and enough of the comments are "Barnum" statements that people
would sometimes think it responded to something it did not. Also the order
of the logs is how the bot "saw" things, not always the same order as the
chats.

The funny thing is it started off as a bot blocker. I was sick of all the
porn bots and the like in rooms so I made it to automatically block the.
Then I started adding responses... and decided to just add to the problem I
was working to fix, but at least do it in a fun way. :)

Many of the people in the computing chats and some of the others I
frequently had it in knew it was a bot (or could guess by the name: Turing
Device is a wee bit of a hint!) They enjoyed playing with it.

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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
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#82614

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 18:09 -0400
Message-ID	<5616e95b$0$24068$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#82583

On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
> trash.

srm (or rm -P) must only be done on non SSD based files. Doing so on SSD
will actually duplicate your data into many places on SSD.

It gets worse with "Fusion" since you can't really know if a file in
your .Trash folder resides on SSD (no secure erase should be done) or on
spinning rust platters.

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#82617

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-08 18:11 -0400
Message-ID	<6L6dnSXW2uKfd4vLnZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#82614

On 2015-10-08 18:09, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>> trash.
>
>
> srm (or rm -P) must only be done on non SSD

Yeah, covered about 20 times a priori.  Do try to keep up.

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#82720

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-09 07:17 +0000
Message-ID	<d7p7vcFofs0U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82614

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Or whip up an AppleScript in 5 minutes to do the srm of anything in the
>> trash.
> 
> srm (or rm -P) must only be done on non SSD based files. 

I didn't say to do it on SSD trashes.

Perhaps you haven't yet learned that on OS X, the trash can on the Dock
actually shows the contents of multiple .Trash directories.

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