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Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6)

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First post2015-09-26 19:04 -0400
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  Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-26 19:04 -0400
    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-09-27 03:05 +0000
      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 02:09 -0400
        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) android <here@there.was> - 2015-09-27 08:35 +0200
          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 11:36 -0400
            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) android <here@there.was> - 2015-09-27 17:46 +0200
            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 11:47 -0400
              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 11:58 -0400
                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 12:00 -0400
                  Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 13:57 -0400
                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 14:00 -0500
                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 15:14 -0400
                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 14:24 -0500
                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 19:49 +0000
                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 15:58 -0400
                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 16:30 -0400
                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 15:36 -0500
                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 16:45 -0400
                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 20:53 +0000
                            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 17:06 -0400
                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 21:39 +0000
                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 20:52 +0000
                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 17:43 -0400
                            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 17:44 -0400
                            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 22:08 +0000
                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 18:12 -0400
                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 22:55 +0000
                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 18:28 -0400
                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 23:07 +0000
                                  Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 20:30 -0400
                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 18:56 -0600
                                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:28 +0000
                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:27 +0000
                                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 23:27 -0500
                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 23:12 -0500
                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 18:30 -0500
                                  Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 00:28 -0400
                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 05:28 +0000
                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-28 00:29 -0500
                                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 02:32 -0400
                                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-28 10:56 -0500
                                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:21 -0400
                                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:10 -0400
                                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 16:35 +0000
                                            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:40 -0400
                                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 18:26 +0000
                                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 15:08 -0400
                                                  Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 19:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 19:30 +0000
                                                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 22:30 -0400
                                                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 22:32 -0400
                                                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 02:43 +0000
                                                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 02:42 +0000
                                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-28 14:20 -0500
                                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 15:33 -0400
                                                  Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 21:51 +0000
                                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 22:34 -0400
                                                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 02:46 +0000
                                                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 23:33 -0400
                                                          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 04:15 +0000
                                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 01:50 -0400
                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 18:43 -0400
                              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 17:47 -0600
                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:22 +0000
                                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 00:37 -0400
            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 16:46 +0000
        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 16:45 +0000
    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 17:14 -0600
      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:12 +0000
        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 20:42 -0600
          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 03:49 +0000
    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-30 21:28 -0400
      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-30 21:58 -0400
      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 08:09 -0600
        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-01 16:55 +0000
          Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 12:02 -0600
            Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-03 18:10 +0000
              Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 12:18 -0600
                Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-03 22:23 +0000
                  Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-04 08:56 -0400
                    Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-04 16:06 +0000
                      Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-04 18:47 -0400
                        Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-04 18:52 -0400

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#80938

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-09-28 10:56 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.20.1509280932500.85389@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to#80903
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On Monday, 28 September 2015 02:32 -0400, 
 in article <5608df10$0$60248$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>, 
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-09-28 01:29, David Ritz wrote:

>> sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app --nointeraction

> It complains trying to erase the disk. (so really early on).

Did you format (erase) the removable medium volume, before you ran the 
command?

> > sudo ./createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Boot-Yosemite/ --applicationpath /Volumes/DMAx/Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app/
> > Ready to start.
> > To continue we need to erase the disk at /Volumes/Boot-Yosemite/.
> > If you wish to continue type (Y) then press return: Y
> > Failed to start erase of disk due to error (-9999, 0).
> > A error occurred erasing the disk.

> (I removed the --nointeraction to get prompts just in case).

Try running it as you were instructed.

> My gut tells me that this app, while it can start on Snow Leopard, 
> probably expects to run under Yosemite. (aka: once installation has 
> gone far enough to populate a Yosemite drive and reboot, at which 
> point the installation continues while under Yosemite).

Your gut is telling you lies. Stop listening to it.

You're attempting to create a bootable install disk.  The installer 
and utilities run under the system on the installer volume, so long as 
the _hardware_ is compatible, ie. suitable for a Yosemite 
installation.  It has nothing to do with the OS version installed on 
any volume from which you have not booted.  SL isn't running, when you 
boot to the installer.

> I copied the Base System dmg to USB. Will try it on laptop tomorrow. 
> (rebooting my workstation takes too much time to re-open all the 
> work currently opened on it).

In other words, you ignored all of the sound advice you received and 
blundered ahead following your dyspeptic gut.  Good luck with that.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#80943

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 12:21 -0400
Message-ID<56096914$0$6383$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#80938
On 15-09-28 11:56, David Ritz wrote:

> You're attempting to create a bootable install disk.  The installer 
> and utilities run under the system on the installer volume,

They are located on the installer volume. But when you launch the
Installer, it runs on the original OS instance which in my case is Snow
Leopard.

It is possible that the application that populates the restore partition
(and with right arguments a USB or other volume) expects to run only
once the computer has booted on the newly installed version and not as a
first stage of installation when the old OS instance is still active.

> In other words, you ignored all of the sound advice you received and 
> blundered ahead following your dyspeptic gut.  Good luck with that.

I tried it with the --nointeraction first. when it failed, I removed it
to see if I might get more details. It asks you to confirm erasure of
the target volume before trying (and failing).

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#80939

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 12:10 -0400
Message-ID<5609666d$0$6335$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#80903
update:


I used Disk Util to populate a USB stick with the OS X Base System.dmg
which was found in OS X Install ESD.dmg which was found in the Shared
folder inside the Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app

This morning, i was able to boot my laptop fron the USB key, and it
gives me the menu to install Yosemite, use disk util, time machine for
restore etc.

No need to use special hidden applications to populate that drive. Just
Disk Util. The trick is to find the Base System dmg hidden inside
another DMG hidden inside an app bundle.

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#80945

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-28 16:35 +0000
Message-ID<d6t8i7Fmp0tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80939
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> update:
> 
> 
> I used Disk Util to populate a USB stick with the OS X Base System.dmg
> which was found in OS X Install ESD.dmg which was found in the Shared
> folder inside the Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app
> 
> This morning, i was able to boot my laptop fron the USB key, and it
> gives me the menu to install Yosemite, use disk util, time machine for
> restore etc.
> 
> No need to use special hidden applications to populate that drive. Just
> Disk Util. The trick is to find the Base System dmg hidden inside
> another DMG hidden inside an app bundle.

You don't need to go through all that trouble  - all you need is to restore
the entire InstallESD.dmg image.



-- 
Sent from my iPhone

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#80946

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 12:40 -0400
Message-ID<56096d99$0$9140$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#80945
On 15-09-28 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You don't need to go through all that trouble  - all you need is to restore
> the entire InstallESD.dmg image.

That image is not a systen disk. It has none of the unix directories, it
has neither the /System nor /Library directories. I doubt very much it
would be bootable.

And if it were bootable, it wouldn't contain a bootable disk image
inside it.

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#80969

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-28 18:26 +0000
Message-ID<d6tf2gFogrtU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80946
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> You don't need to go through all that trouble  - all you need is to restore
>> the entire InstallESD.dmg image.
> 
> That image is not a systen disk. It has none of the unix directories, it
> has neither the /System nor /Library directories. I doubt very much it
> would be bootable.
> 
> And if it were bootable, it wouldn't contain a bootable disk image
> inside it.

Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else:

<http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html>

Believe what you want...

-- 
Sent from my iPhone

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#80987

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 15:08 -0400
Message-ID<5609901b$0$65283$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#80969
On 15-09-28 14:26, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else:
> 
> <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html>
> 
> Believe what you want...


I believe I provided a listing of the InstallESD.dmg root. It has no
operating system.

Has it ever occured to you that things may have changed since Lion (for
which the above article is for) ?


My experience is that the OS X Base System.dmg (contained inside OS X
InstallESD.dmg) works and contains the bootable environment for
Yosemite.  It is your right to dismiss it. And since your JR, you will
dismiss it because that is all you do.

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#80997

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-28 19:28 +0000
Message-ID<d6timeFpc11U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80987
On 2015-09-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 14:26, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else:
>> 
>> <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html>
>> 
>> Believe what you want...
>
>
> I believe I provided a listing of the InstallESD.dmg root. It has no
> operating system.
>
> Has it ever occured to you that things may have changed since Lion (for
> which the above article is for) ?

Has it occurred to you that if you are making an install USB stick for a
later operating system, there's no reason to use InstallESD.dmg at all?
In this thread we have talked about *several* operating systems, but you
seem to be fixated on the method for only some of them. To create an
install USB stick for Yosemite, you use the createinstallmedia
command-line tool, as has already been mentioned.

> My experience is that the OS X Base System.dmg (contained inside OS X
> InstallESD.dmg) works and contains the bootable environment for
> Yosemite.

For Yosemite.

> It is your right to dismiss it. And since your JR, you will
> dismiss it because that is all you do.

Grow up.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#80998

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-28 19:30 +0000
Message-ID<d6tippFpc11U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80997
On 2015-09-28, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-09-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 15-09-28 14:26, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else:
>>> 
>>> <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html>
>>> 
>>> Believe what you want...
>>
>>
>> I believe I provided a listing of the InstallESD.dmg root. It has no
>> operating system.
>>
>> Has it ever occured to you that things may have changed since Lion (for
>> which the above article is for) ?
>
> Has it occurred to you that if you are making an install USB stick for a
> later operating system, there's no reason to use InstallESD.dmg at all?
> In this thread we have talked about *several* operating systems, but you
> seem to be fixated on the method for only some of them. To create an
> install USB stick for Yosemite, you use the createinstallmedia
> command-line tool, as has already been mentioned.

And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB
stick" would have told you exactly that.

-- 
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#81025

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 22:30 -0400
Message-ID<5609f7d8$0$1534$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#80998
On 15-09-28 15:30, Jolly Roger wrote:

> And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB
> stick" would have told you exactly that.


Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a
minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system
disk is not active.

If you had read the OP you would have known that.


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#81026

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-09-28 22:32 -0400
Message-ID<280920152232044153%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#81025
In article <5609f7d8$0$1534$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB
> > stick" would have told you exactly that.
> 
> 
> Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a
> minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system
> disk is not active.

once again, carbon copy cloner and skip the stuff you don't want. just
be sure it's not needed at all.

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#81029

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-29 02:43 +0000
Message-ID<d6uc5kFu8epU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81026
On 2015-09-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5609f7d8$0$1534$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> > And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB
>> > stick" would have told you exactly that.
>>  
>> Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a
>> minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system
>> disk is not active.
>
> once again, carbon copy cloner and skip the stuff you don't want. just
> be sure it's not needed at all.

He apparently would rather do it the hard way. Maybe he has something
against CCC.

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#81028

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-29 02:42 +0000
Message-ID<d6uc4mFu8epU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81025
On 2015-09-29, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 15:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB
>> stick" would have told you exactly that.
>
> Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a
> minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system
> disk is not active.
>
> If you had read the OP you would have known that.

We actually talked about doing both in the thread. It was during a
discussion about creating *install* USB sticks that *I* mentioned the
InstallESD.dmg disk image, which is used for precisely that.

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#80996

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-09-28 14:20 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.20.1509281406431.734@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to#80946
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On Monday, 28 September 2015 12:40 -0400, 
 in article <56096d99$0$9140$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, 
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

On Monday, 28 September 2015 12:40 -0400, 
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-09-28 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> You don't need to go through all that trouble - all you need is to 
>> restore the entire InstallESD.dmg image.

> That image is not a systen disk. It has none of the unix 
> directories, it has neither the /System nor /Library directories. I 
> doubt very much it would be bootable.

You know, you're the reason BaseSystem.dmg is a hidden file.

Using 'Get info' in Disk Utility,  for the mounted OS X Install ESD, 
shows:

    Name :  OS X Install ESD
    Type :  Partition

    Disk Identifier :   disk3s2
    Mount Point :   /Volumes/OS X Install ESD
    File System :   Mac OS Extended
    Connection Bus :    Disk Image
    Device Tree :   IODeviceTree:/
    Writable :  No
    Universal Unique Identifier :  794916F8-0CA5-3D49-82C6-F6292B7A37C8
    Capacity :  5.4 GB (5,401,509,888 Bytes)
    Free Space :    168.5 MB (168,497,152 Bytes)
    Used :  5.23 GB (5,233,012,736 Bytes)
    Number of Files :   82
    Number of Folders :     18
    Owners Enabled :    No
    Can Turn Owners Off :   Yes
    Can Be Formatted :  Yes
=>  Bootable :  Yes
    Supports Journaling :   Yes
    Journaled :     No
    Disk Number :   3
    Partition Number :  2

> And if it were bootable, it wouldn't contain a bootable disk image
> inside it.

The installer mounts and uses that Base System, when creating the 
recovery partition.  By omitting all of the packages included in 
OS X Install ESD volume, you're asking for a heap of trouble, down the 
road.

% ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages/
AdditionalEssentials.pkg	JavaEssentials.pkg
AdditionalSpeechVoices.pkg	JavaTools.pkg
AsianLanguagesSupport.pkg	MediaFiles.pkg
BSD.pkg				OSInstall.mpkg
BaseSystemBinaries.pkg		OSInstall.pkg
BaseSystemResources.pkg		OSUpgrade.pkg
EFIPayloads			OxfordDictionaries.pkg
Essentials.pkg			SMCPayloads
InstallableMachines.plist	X11redirect.pkg

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#80999

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 15:33 -0400
Message-ID<560995f4$0$15585$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#80996
On 15-09-28 15:20, David Ritz wrote:

> % ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages/

What does ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD  produce  for you ?

For me, it produces the following:

> bike:OS X Install ESD# ls
> .DS_Store               BaseSystem.chunklist    BaseSystem.dmg          Packages

Can you explain how this is bootable ?  What file does EFI first load ?

oh, and it appears we live in a different universe, or your experience
is with a different version of OS-X because:

> diskutil info /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/
>    Device Identifier:        disk5s2
>    Device Node:              /dev/disk5s2
>    Part Of Whole:            disk5
>    Device / Media Name:      disk image
> 
>    Volume Name:              OS X Install ESD
>    Escaped with Unicode:     OS%FF%FE%20%00X%FF%FE%20%00Install%FF%FE%20%00ESD
> 
>    Mounted:                  Yes
>    Mount Point:              /Volumes/OS X Install ESD
>    Escaped with Unicode:     /Volumes/OS%FF%FE%20%00X%FF%FE%20%00Install%FF%FE%20%00ESD
> 
>    File System:              HFS+
>    Type:                     hfs
>    Name:                     Mac OS Extended
>    Owners:                   Disabled
> 
>    Partition Type:           Apple_HFS
>    Bootable:                 Not bootable
>    Media Type:               Generic
>    Protocol:                 Disk Image
>    SMART Status:             Not Supported
>    Volume UUID:              794916F8-0CA5-3D49-82C6-F6292B7A37C8
> 
>    Total Size:               5.4 GB (5401509888 Bytes) (exactly 10549824 512-Byte-Blocks)
>    Volume Free Space:        168.5 MB (168497152 Bytes) (exactly 329096 512-Byte-Blocks)
> 
>    Read-Only Media:          Yes
>    Read-Only Volume:         Yes
>    Ejectable:                Yes
> 
>    Whole:                    No
>    Internal:                 No

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#81014

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-28 21:51 +0000
Message-ID<d6tr2uFr9lsU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80999
On 2015-09-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 15:20, David Ritz wrote:
>
>> % ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages/
>
> What does ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD  produce  for you ?
>
> For me, it produces the following:
>
>> bike:OS X Install ESD# ls
>> .DS_Store               BaseSystem.chunklist    BaseSystem.dmg          Packages
>
> Can you explain how this is bootable ?  What file does EFI first load ?

Doesn't much matter to me *how* it works as long as it works (which it
does). We aren't lying to you, silly.

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#81027

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 22:34 -0400
Message-ID<5609f8c0$0$31558$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#81014
On 15-09-28 17:51, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> For me, it produces the following:
>>
>>> bike:OS X Install ESD# ls
>>> .DS_Store               BaseSystem.chunklist    BaseSystem.dmg          Packages
>>
>> Can you explain how this is bootable ?  What file does EFI first load ?
> 
> Doesn't much matter to me *how* it works as long as it works (which it
> does). We aren't lying to you, silly.



So you are the one who is unable to explain how the above files allow a
system to boot (as you claim) and you are the one who insults me ?

Again, when the Mac powers up and told to boot from the above disk,
which file does it find in those 3 files allows it to boot ?

I know that EFI firmware on Macs was augmented to access HFS+ file
system to find the boot file by name *(instead of loading an EFI
programme in the EFI partition which does that)  But I really doubt that
the EFI sofftware is also programmed to look for "BaseSystem.dmg" and
delve into that one to find a bootable system.

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#81030

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-29 02:46 +0000
Message-ID<d6uccbFu8epU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81027
On 2015-09-29, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 17:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Can you explain how this is bootable ?  What file does EFI first load ?
>> 
>> Doesn't much matter to me *how* it works as long as it works (which it
>> does). We aren't lying to you, silly.
>
> So you are the one who is unable to explain how the above files allow a
> system to boot (as you claim) and you are the one who insults me ?

s/unable/not interested

I'm perfectly able. I just don't care. And if you are insulted by bing
called "silly", you need to grow a much thicker skin, silly.

> Again, when the Mac powers up and told to boot from the above disk,
> which file does it find in those 3 files allows it to boot ?

You don't boot from InstallESD.dmg. You drag it into Disk Utility's
Restore facility, as any article that mentions "InstallESD" (there are
tons) shows. You would know this if you read internet articles about it.

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#81033

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-09-28 23:33 -0400
Message-ID<560a0688$0$4179$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#81030
On 15-09-28 22:46, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You don't boot from InstallESD.dmg. 

Yet, you insulted me for not believing you that InstallESD.dmg was bootable.

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#81039

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-09-29 04:15 +0000
Message-ID<d6uhinF1vvpU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81033
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 22:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> You don't boot from InstallESD.dmg. 
> 
> Yet, you insulted me for not believing you that InstallESD.dmg was bootable.

I didn't insult you. And restoring the InstallESD.dmg disk image DOES
create a bootable USB stick. Apparently you think the numerous articles
online instructing people to do it are all lying...

Suit yourself.

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