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| Started by | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| First post | 2015-09-26 19:04 -0400 |
| Last post | 2015-10-04 18:52 -0400 |
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Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-26 19:04 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-09-27 03:05 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 02:09 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) android <here@there.was> - 2015-09-27 08:35 +0200
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 11:36 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) android <here@there.was> - 2015-09-27 17:46 +0200
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 11:47 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 11:58 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 12:00 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 13:57 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 14:00 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 15:14 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 14:24 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 19:49 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 15:58 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 16:30 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 15:36 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 16:45 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 20:53 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 17:06 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 21:39 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 20:52 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 17:43 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-27 17:44 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 22:08 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 18:12 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 22:55 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 18:28 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 20:30 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 18:56 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:28 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:27 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 23:27 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 23:12 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 18:30 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 00:28 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 05:28 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-28 00:29 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 02:32 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-28 10:56 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:21 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:10 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 16:35 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:40 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 18:26 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 15:08 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 19:28 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 19:30 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 22:30 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 22:32 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 02:43 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 02:42 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-28 14:20 -0500
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 15:33 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 21:51 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 22:34 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 02:46 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 23:33 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-29 04:15 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 01:50 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 18:43 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 17:47 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:22 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-28 00:37 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 16:46 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-27 16:45 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 17:14 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 01:12 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-27 20:42 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 03:49 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-30 21:28 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-30 21:58 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 08:09 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-01 16:55 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 12:02 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-03 18:10 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 12:18 -0600
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-03 22:23 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-04 08:56 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-04 16:06 +0000
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-04 18:47 -0400
Re: Creating a restore "partition" on DVD (SL 10.6) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-04 18:52 -0400
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| From | David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 10:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.OSX.2.20.1509280932500.85389@mako.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #80903 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message On Monday, 28 September 2015 02:32 -0400, in article <5608df10$0$60248$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 01:29, David Ritz wrote: >> sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app --nointeraction > It complains trying to erase the disk. (so really early on). Did you format (erase) the removable medium volume, before you ran the command? > > sudo ./createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Boot-Yosemite/ --applicationpath /Volumes/DMAx/Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app/ > > Ready to start. > > To continue we need to erase the disk at /Volumes/Boot-Yosemite/. > > If you wish to continue type (Y) then press return: Y > > Failed to start erase of disk due to error (-9999, 0). > > A error occurred erasing the disk. > (I removed the --nointeraction to get prompts just in case). Try running it as you were instructed. > My gut tells me that this app, while it can start on Snow Leopard, > probably expects to run under Yosemite. (aka: once installation has > gone far enough to populate a Yosemite drive and reboot, at which > point the installation continues while under Yosemite). Your gut is telling you lies. Stop listening to it. You're attempting to create a bootable install disk. The installer and utilities run under the system on the installer volume, so long as the _hardware_ is compatible, ie. suitable for a Yosemite installation. It has nothing to do with the OS version installed on any volume from which you have not booted. SL isn't running, when you boot to the installer. > I copied the Base System dmg to USB. Will try it on laptop tomorrow. > (rebooting my workstation takes too much time to re-open all the > work currently opened on it). In other words, you ignored all of the sound advice you received and blundered ahead following your dyspeptic gut. Good luck with that. -- David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> Be kind to animals; kiss a shark. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlYJYywACgkQUrwpmRoS3uuDawCgjkm9AMxKT61PWwOLVfc8LnYu ESUAn0GQnQ7eVc7ahKJW03UCMJIkyOI1 =hgmi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 12:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <56096914$0$6383$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #80938 |
On 15-09-28 11:56, David Ritz wrote: > You're attempting to create a bootable install disk. The installer > and utilities run under the system on the installer volume, They are located on the installer volume. But when you launch the Installer, it runs on the original OS instance which in my case is Snow Leopard. It is possible that the application that populates the restore partition (and with right arguments a USB or other volume) expects to run only once the computer has booted on the newly installed version and not as a first stage of installation when the old OS instance is still active. > In other words, you ignored all of the sound advice you received and > blundered ahead following your dyspeptic gut. Good luck with that. I tried it with the --nointeraction first. when it failed, I removed it to see if I might get more details. It asks you to confirm erasure of the target volume before trying (and failing).
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 12:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5609666d$0$6335$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #80903 |
update: I used Disk Util to populate a USB stick with the OS X Base System.dmg which was found in OS X Install ESD.dmg which was found in the Shared folder inside the Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app This morning, i was able to boot my laptop fron the USB key, and it gives me the menu to install Yosemite, use disk util, time machine for restore etc. No need to use special hidden applications to populate that drive. Just Disk Util. The trick is to find the Base System dmg hidden inside another DMG hidden inside an app bundle.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 16:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6t8i7Fmp0tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80939 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > update: > > > I used Disk Util to populate a USB stick with the OS X Base System.dmg > which was found in OS X Install ESD.dmg which was found in the Shared > folder inside the Install\ OS\ X\ Yosemite.app > > This morning, i was able to boot my laptop fron the USB key, and it > gives me the menu to install Yosemite, use disk util, time machine for > restore etc. > > No need to use special hidden applications to populate that drive. Just > Disk Util. The trick is to find the Base System dmg hidden inside > another DMG hidden inside an app bundle. You don't need to go through all that trouble - all you need is to restore the entire InstallESD.dmg image. -- Sent from my iPhone
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 12:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <56096d99$0$9140$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #80945 |
On 15-09-28 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote: > You don't need to go through all that trouble - all you need is to restore > the entire InstallESD.dmg image. That image is not a systen disk. It has none of the unix directories, it has neither the /System nor /Library directories. I doubt very much it would be bootable. And if it were bootable, it wouldn't contain a bootable disk image inside it.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6tf2gFogrtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80946 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> You don't need to go through all that trouble - all you need is to restore >> the entire InstallESD.dmg image. > > That image is not a systen disk. It has none of the unix directories, it > has neither the /System nor /Library directories. I doubt very much it > would be bootable. > > And if it were bootable, it wouldn't contain a bootable disk image > inside it. Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else: <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html> Believe what you want... -- Sent from my iPhone
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 15:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5609901b$0$65283$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #80969 |
On 15-09-28 14:26, Jolly Roger wrote: > Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else: > > <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html> > > Believe what you want... I believe I provided a listing of the InstallESD.dmg root. It has no operating system. Has it ever occured to you that things may have changed since Lion (for which the above article is for) ? My experience is that the OS X Base System.dmg (contained inside OS X InstallESD.dmg) works and contains the bootable environment for Yosemite. It is your right to dismiss it. And since your JR, you will dismiss it because that is all you do.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 19:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6timeFpc11U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80987 |
On 2015-09-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 14:26, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else: >> >> <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html> >> >> Believe what you want... > > > I believe I provided a listing of the InstallESD.dmg root. It has no > operating system. > > Has it ever occured to you that things may have changed since Lion (for > which the above article is for) ? Has it occurred to you that if you are making an install USB stick for a later operating system, there's no reason to use InstallESD.dmg at all? In this thread we have talked about *several* operating systems, but you seem to be fixated on the method for only some of them. To create an install USB stick for Yosemite, you use the createinstallmedia command-line tool, as has already been mentioned. > My experience is that the OS X Base System.dmg (contained inside OS X > InstallESD.dmg) works and contains the bootable environment for > Yosemite. For Yosemite. > It is your right to dismiss it. And since your JR, you will > dismiss it because that is all you do. Grow up. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 19:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6tippFpc11U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80997 |
On 2015-09-28, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-09-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> On 15-09-28 14:26, Jolly Roger wrote: >> >>> Yeah. I'm lying, and so is everyone else: >>> >>> <http://www.macworld.com/article/1161069/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.html> >>> >>> Believe what you want... >> >> >> I believe I provided a listing of the InstallESD.dmg root. It has no >> operating system. >> >> Has it ever occured to you that things may have changed since Lion (for >> which the above article is for) ? > > Has it occurred to you that if you are making an install USB stick for a > later operating system, there's no reason to use InstallESD.dmg at all? > In this thread we have talked about *several* operating systems, but you > seem to be fixated on the method for only some of them. To create an > install USB stick for Yosemite, you use the createinstallmedia > command-line tool, as has already been mentioned. And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB stick" would have told you exactly that. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 22:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5609f7d8$0$1534$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #80998 |
On 15-09-28 15:30, Jolly Roger wrote: > And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB > stick" would have told you exactly that. Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system disk is not active. If you had read the OP you would have known that.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 22:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <280920152232044153%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #81025 |
In article <5609f7d8$0$1534$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB > > stick" would have told you exactly that. > > > Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a > minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system > disk is not active. once again, carbon copy cloner and skip the stuff you don't want. just be sure it's not needed at all.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-29 02:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6uc5kFu8epU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81026 |
On 2015-09-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <5609f7d8$0$1534$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>, JF > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> > And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB >> > stick" would have told you exactly that. >> >> Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a >> minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system >> disk is not active. > > once again, carbon copy cloner and skip the stuff you don't want. just > be sure it's not needed at all. He apparently would rather do it the hard way. Maybe he has something against CCC. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-29 02:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6uc4mFu8epU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81025 |
On 2015-09-29, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 15:30, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> And by the way, a simple web search for "create Yosemite install USB >> stick" would have told you exactly that. > > Am not seeking to create an install USB stick. Am seeking to have a > minimal bootable environment to do save disk copy while thye real system > disk is not active. > > If you had read the OP you would have known that. We actually talked about doing both in the thread. It was during a discussion about creating *install* USB sticks that *I* mentioned the InstallESD.dmg disk image, which is used for precisely that. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 14:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.OSX.2.20.1509281406431.734@mako.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #80946 |
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On Monday, 28 September 2015 12:40 -0400,
in article <56096d99$0$9140$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
On Monday, 28 September 2015 12:40 -0400,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-09-28 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> You don't need to go through all that trouble - all you need is to
>> restore the entire InstallESD.dmg image.
> That image is not a systen disk. It has none of the unix
> directories, it has neither the /System nor /Library directories. I
> doubt very much it would be bootable.
You know, you're the reason BaseSystem.dmg is a hidden file.
Using 'Get info' in Disk Utility, for the mounted OS X Install ESD,
shows:
Name : OS X Install ESD
Type : Partition
Disk Identifier : disk3s2
Mount Point : /Volumes/OS X Install ESD
File System : Mac OS Extended
Connection Bus : Disk Image
Device Tree : IODeviceTree:/
Writable : No
Universal Unique Identifier : 794916F8-0CA5-3D49-82C6-F6292B7A37C8
Capacity : 5.4 GB (5,401,509,888 Bytes)
Free Space : 168.5 MB (168,497,152 Bytes)
Used : 5.23 GB (5,233,012,736 Bytes)
Number of Files : 82
Number of Folders : 18
Owners Enabled : No
Can Turn Owners Off : Yes
Can Be Formatted : Yes
=> Bootable : Yes
Supports Journaling : Yes
Journaled : No
Disk Number : 3
Partition Number : 2
> And if it were bootable, it wouldn't contain a bootable disk image
> inside it.
The installer mounts and uses that Base System, when creating the
recovery partition. By omitting all of the packages included in
OS X Install ESD volume, you're asking for a heap of trouble, down the
road.
% ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages/
AdditionalEssentials.pkg JavaEssentials.pkg
AdditionalSpeechVoices.pkg JavaTools.pkg
AsianLanguagesSupport.pkg MediaFiles.pkg
BSD.pkg OSInstall.mpkg
BaseSystemBinaries.pkg OSInstall.pkg
BaseSystemResources.pkg OSUpgrade.pkg
EFIPayloads OxfordDictionaries.pkg
Essentials.pkg SMCPayloads
InstallableMachines.plist X11redirect.pkg
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David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
"An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence
the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head."
- Eric Hoffer (1902-83)
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 15:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <560995f4$0$15585$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #80996 |
On 15-09-28 15:20, David Ritz wrote: > % ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages/ What does ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD produce for you ? For me, it produces the following: > bike:OS X Install ESD# ls > .DS_Store BaseSystem.chunklist BaseSystem.dmg Packages Can you explain how this is bootable ? What file does EFI first load ? oh, and it appears we live in a different universe, or your experience is with a different version of OS-X because: > diskutil info /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/ > Device Identifier: disk5s2 > Device Node: /dev/disk5s2 > Part Of Whole: disk5 > Device / Media Name: disk image > > Volume Name: OS X Install ESD > Escaped with Unicode: OS%FF%FE%20%00X%FF%FE%20%00Install%FF%FE%20%00ESD > > Mounted: Yes > Mount Point: /Volumes/OS X Install ESD > Escaped with Unicode: /Volumes/OS%FF%FE%20%00X%FF%FE%20%00Install%FF%FE%20%00ESD > > File System: HFS+ > Type: hfs > Name: Mac OS Extended > Owners: Disabled > > Partition Type: Apple_HFS > Bootable: Not bootable > Media Type: Generic > Protocol: Disk Image > SMART Status: Not Supported > Volume UUID: 794916F8-0CA5-3D49-82C6-F6292B7A37C8 > > Total Size: 5.4 GB (5401509888 Bytes) (exactly 10549824 512-Byte-Blocks) > Volume Free Space: 168.5 MB (168497152 Bytes) (exactly 329096 512-Byte-Blocks) > > Read-Only Media: Yes > Read-Only Volume: Yes > Ejectable: Yes > > Whole: No > Internal: No
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 21:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6tr2uFr9lsU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80999 |
On 2015-09-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 15:20, David Ritz wrote: > >> % ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages/ > > What does ls /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD produce for you ? > > For me, it produces the following: > >> bike:OS X Install ESD# ls >> .DS_Store BaseSystem.chunklist BaseSystem.dmg Packages > > Can you explain how this is bootable ? What file does EFI first load ? Doesn't much matter to me *how* it works as long as it works (which it does). We aren't lying to you, silly. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 22:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5609f8c0$0$31558$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #81014 |
On 15-09-28 17:51, Jolly Roger wrote: >> For me, it produces the following: >> >>> bike:OS X Install ESD# ls >>> .DS_Store BaseSystem.chunklist BaseSystem.dmg Packages >> >> Can you explain how this is bootable ? What file does EFI first load ? > > Doesn't much matter to me *how* it works as long as it works (which it > does). We aren't lying to you, silly. So you are the one who is unable to explain how the above files allow a system to boot (as you claim) and you are the one who insults me ? Again, when the Mac powers up and told to boot from the above disk, which file does it find in those 3 files allows it to boot ? I know that EFI firmware on Macs was augmented to access HFS+ file system to find the boot file by name *(instead of loading an EFI programme in the EFI partition which does that) But I really doubt that the EFI sofftware is also programmed to look for "BaseSystem.dmg" and delve into that one to find a bootable system.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-29 02:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6uccbFu8epU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81027 |
On 2015-09-29, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 17:51, Jolly Roger wrote: > >>> Can you explain how this is bootable ? What file does EFI first load ? >> >> Doesn't much matter to me *how* it works as long as it works (which it >> does). We aren't lying to you, silly. > > So you are the one who is unable to explain how the above files allow a > system to boot (as you claim) and you are the one who insults me ? s/unable/not interested I'm perfectly able. I just don't care. And if you are insulted by bing called "silly", you need to grow a much thicker skin, silly. > Again, when the Mac powers up and told to boot from the above disk, > which file does it find in those 3 files allows it to boot ? You don't boot from InstallESD.dmg. You drag it into Disk Utility's Restore facility, as any article that mentions "InstallESD" (there are tons) shows. You would know this if you read internet articles about it. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-28 23:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <560a0688$0$4179$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #81030 |
On 15-09-28 22:46, Jolly Roger wrote: > You don't boot from InstallESD.dmg. Yet, you insulted me for not believing you that InstallESD.dmg was bootable.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-29 04:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6uhinF1vvpU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81033 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-28 22:46, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> You don't boot from InstallESD.dmg. > > Yet, you insulted me for not believing you that InstallESD.dmg was bootable. I didn't insult you. And restoring the InstallESD.dmg disk image DOES create a bootable USB stick. Apparently you think the numerous articles online instructing people to do it are all lying... Suit yourself. -- Sent from my iPhone
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