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  More iTunes Oddities gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-08-02 18:26 -0700
    Re: More iTunes Oddities gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-08-02 18:33 -0700
      Re: More iTunes Oddities gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-08-02 18:56 -0700
        Re: More iTunes Oddities Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-02 21:26 -0700
    Re: More iTunes Oddities Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-03 02:09 +0000
      Re: More iTunes Oddities gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-08-02 22:27 -0700
        Re: More iTunes Oddities Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-02 22:31 -0700
          Re: More iTunes Oddities Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-03 13:31 +0000
            Re: More iTunes Oddities John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-08-04 07:51 -0700
              Re: More iTunes Oddities Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-04 16:37 +0000
              Re: More iTunes Oddities Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-05 09:13 -0400
                Re: More iTunes Oddities John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 22:45 -0700
            Re: More iTunes Oddities Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-05 09:09 -0700
              Re: More iTunes Oddities Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-05 16:17 +0000
                Re: More iTunes Oddities gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-08-05 10:28 -0700
            Re: More iTunes Oddities awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-08-20 14:48 -0700

#78355 — More iTunes Oddities

iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4

I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of 
things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an 
option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)

I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in 
some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove 
columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to 
simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more. 
That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.

Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music 
window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options 
> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay 
until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back 
again!

Are these now "like-it-or-lump-it" features in iTunes?

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#78357

On 2015-08-03 01:26:20 +0000, gtr said:

> iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4
> 
> I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of 
> things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an 
> option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)
> 
> I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in 
> some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove 
> columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to 
> simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more. 
> That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.

Okay, after futzing with this all day, and posting here I *immediately* 
found a way to do this.  With "Songs" as the display format, I note 
that at the top middle I have "My Music" and "Playlists".  The 
distinction between the two of these is that the playlists appear in a 
sidebar only in the latter--and additionally there's no column 
adds/drops available.  If "My Music", and no playlist display, well 
THEN and only then, I can change my columns. What the hell is that all 
about.

Everytime I go from one playlist to another I have to change to "My 
Music" (it's ALL my music!), and then I can manipulate it. There's a 
couple of unnecessary mouse strokes!

> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music 
> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options 
> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay 
> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back 
> again!
> 
> Are these now "like-it-or-lump-it" features in iTunes?

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#78358

On 2015-08-03 01:33:46 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-08-03 01:26:20 +0000, gtr said:
> 
>> iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4
>> 
>> I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of 
>> things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an 
>> option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)
>> 
>> I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in 
>> some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove 
>> columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to 
>> simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more. 
>> That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.
> 
> Okay, after futzing with this all day, and posting here I *immediately* 
> found a way to do this.  With "Songs" as the display format, I note 
> that at the top middle I have "My Music" and "Playlists".  The 
> distinction between the two of these is that the playlists appear in a 
> sidebar only in the latter--and additionally there's no column 
> adds/drops available.  If "My Music", and no playlist display, well 
> THEN and only then, I can change my columns. What the hell is that all 
> about.
> 
> Everytime I go from one playlist to another I have to change to "My 
> Music" (it's ALL my music!), and then I can manipulate it. There's a 
> couple of unnecessary mouse strokes!

Wrong again: If you select under "Playlists" you will look at the 
columns Apple by god wants you to look at which will include iCloud 
Downloads even if you don't.  If you select a Playlist that you want, 
and then select "My Music" you can have some control over it.

Sheesh!  Lame!

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#78363

On 2015-08-03 01:56:36 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-08-03 01:33:46 +0000, gtr said:
> 
>> On 2015-08-03 01:26:20 +0000, gtr said:
>> 
>>> iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4
>>> 
>>> I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of 
>>> things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an 
>>> option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)
>>> 
>>> I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in 
>>> some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove 
>>> columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to 
>>> simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more. 
>>> That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.
>> 
>> Okay, after futzing with this all day, and posting here I *immediately* 
>> found a way to do this.  With "Songs" as the display format, I note 
>> that at the top middle I have "My Music" and "Playlists".  The 
>> distinction between the two of these is that the playlists appear in a 
>> sidebar only in the latter--and additionally there's no column 
>> adds/drops available.  If "My Music", and no playlist display, well 
>> THEN and only then, I can change my columns. What the hell is that all 
>> about.
>> 
>> Everytime I go from one playlist to another I have to change to "My 
>> Music" (it's ALL my music!), and then I can manipulate it. There's a 
>> couple of unnecessary mouse strokes!
> 
> Wrong again: If you select under "Playlists" you will look at the 
> columns Apple by god wants you to look at which will include iCloud 
> Downloads even if you don't.  If you select a Playlist that you want, 
> and then select "My Music" you can have some control over it.
> 
> Sheesh!  Lame!

I have that version of iTunes and I can add and remove columns as 
needed while looking at a playlist.

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#78359

On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4
>
> I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of 
> things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an 
> option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)
>
> I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in 
> some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove 
> columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to 
> simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more. 
> That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.

You must not have noticed the Playlist layout menu where you can switch
to different layouts: 

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/usenet/itunes/playlist_layout_menu.png>

The "Songs" layout is what you are probably most used to using.

> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music 
> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options 
> > Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay 
> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back 
> again!

Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.

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#78364

On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4
>> 
>> I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of
>> things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an
>> option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)
>> 
>> I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in
>> some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove
>> columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to
>> simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more.
>> That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.
> 
> You must not have noticed the Playlist layout menu where you can switch
> to different layouts:
> 
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/usenet/itunes/playlist_layout_menu.png>
> 
> The "Songs" layout is what you are probably most used to using.
> 
>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>> again!
> 
> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.

I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has 
changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than 
making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.

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#78365

On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> iTunes 12.2.1.16 / OS 10.10.4
>>> 
>>> I've been reworking a lot of iTunes databases and here's a couple of
>>> things that Apple seems to have changed--unless of course there's an
>>> option-click in the vicinity that I don't see! ;-)
>>> 
>>> I note that now when I create a smart playlist, that it comes up in
>>> some kind of default format where I can no longer add or remove
>>> columns.  Under View > View Options... is now greyed out.  I use to
>>> simply press CMD-J and pick what I wanted to see or remove. No more.
>>> That makes the display of a smart playlist dramatically less useful.
>> 
>> You must not have noticed the Playlist layout menu where you can switch
>> to different layouts:
>> 
>> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/usenet/itunes/playlist_layout_menu.png>
>> 
>> The "Songs" layout is what you are probably most used to using.
>> 
>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>> again!
>> 
>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
> 
> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has 
> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than 
> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.

Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a 
deliberate thing by Apple.

It works just fine on my machine.

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#78374

On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
>> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>>> > Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>>> again!
>>> 
>>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
>> 
>> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has 
>> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than 
>> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
>
> Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a 
> deliberate thing by Apple.
>
> It works just fine on my machine.

On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.

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#78393

On 8/3/15   PDT 6:31 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
>>> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>>>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>>>> again!
>>>>
>>>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>>>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
>>>
>>> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has
>>> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than
>>> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
>>
>> Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a
>> deliberate thing by Apple.
>>
>> It works just fine on my machine.
>
> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
>
Further, you can move any bolshey columns to the far right.

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#78402

On 2015-08-04, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 8/3/15   PDT 6:31 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
>>>> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>>>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>>>>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>>>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>>>>> again!
>>>>>
>>>>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>>>>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
>>>>
>>>> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has
>>>> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than
>>>> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
>>>
>>> Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a
>>> deliberate thing by Apple.
>>>
>>> It works just fine on my machine.
>>
>> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
>> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
>>
> Further, you can move any bolshey columns to the far right.

Right. It's really no big deal. 

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#78418

On 2015-08-04 10:51, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 8/3/15   PDT 6:31 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
>>>> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>>>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View
>>>>>> Options
>>>>>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>>>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>>>>> again!
>>>>>
>>>>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>>>>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
>>>>
>>>> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has
>>>> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than
>>>> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
>>>
>>> Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a
>>> deliberate thing by Apple.
>>>
>>> It works just fine on my machine.
>>
>> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
>> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
>>
> Further, you can move any bolshey columns to the far right.

Aren't Bolsheys resistant to moving to the right?

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#78463

On 8/5/15   PDT 6:13 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2015-08-04 10:51, John McWilliams wrote:

>>> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
>>> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
>>>
>> Further, you can move any bolshey columns to the far right.
>
> Aren't Bolsheys resistant to moving to the right?

Very much so. But mine was lower case, adjectival, you know. Easier to 
move...

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#78424

On 2015-08-03 13:31:45 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
>>> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>>>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>>>> again!
>>>> 
>>>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>>>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
>>> 
>>> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has
>>> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than
>>> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
>> 
>> Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a
>> deliberate thing by Apple.
>> 
>> It works just fine on my machine.
> 
> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.

So move it to the extreme right and be done.

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#78425

On 2015-08-05, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2015-08-03 13:31:45 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>> On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
>>>> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
>>>>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
>>>>>>> Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
>>>>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
>>>>>> again!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
>>>>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
>>>> 
>>>> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has
>>>> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than
>>>> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
>>> 
>>> Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a
>>> deliberate thing by Apple.
>>> 
>>> It works just fine on my machine.
>> 
>> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
>> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
>
> So move it to the extreme right and be done.

I'm not the one who doesn't want the column, since I use iTunes Match
and don't mind having it there. I'm just commenting that removing this
column doesn't work correctly. ; )

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#78433

On 2015-08-05 16:17:38 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

>>> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
>>> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
>> 
>> So move it to the extreme right and be done.
> 
> I'm not the one who doesn't want the column, since I use iTunes Match
> and don't mind having it there. I'm just commenting that removing this
> column doesn't work correctly. ; )

No, that was me.  I did move it to the right eventually but curiously, 
while dinking and doinking through a boatlod of preferences, I find 
that it's not there any more anyway.  It only repeatedly comes back if 
you have some Apple Store or icloud tunes related options toggled 
on--or so it would seem.

I use iTunes to do research in antique musics and so I have gotten into 
the habit of using its displays of information in certain ways.  Though 
burying some options in a menu seems stupid, but it might make it 
easier for the hotkey-aversive.  But making it non-operational within 
certain playlists, I can't imagine the thinking; I think it's a bug.  
I'm sure the "so do it differently" solution to fumble with the mouse 
for 3+ clicks probably has it's ardent supporters.

I've managed to figure out where a number of the things once logically 
available have been buried or contorted for some kinda "real good 
reason".  So I'm about where I once was with the program. The iTunes 
designers seem to be enjoying turning music-playing software into an 
Apple shopping bag, but I've already got a shopping bag.

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#78697

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 9:31:49 AM UTC-4, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-08-03, Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > On 2015-08-03 05:27:47 +0000, gtr said:
> >> On 2015-08-03 02:09:40 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> >>> On 2015-08-03, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Also, in the one place where CMD-J is still available, the main music
> >>>> window, I can remove the iCloud column by going to View > View Options
> >>>> > Show Columns and then toggle iCloud Download off, where it will stay
> >>>> until I quit the program. The next time I run the program--it's back
> >>>> again!
> >>> 
> >>> Same behavior here. Probably a bug in iTunes. The column doesn't take
> >>> much space; so I wouldn't worry about it.
> >> 
> >> I just moved from a 27" iMac to a MacBook Pro.  "Not much space" has 
> >> changed for me.  I sure wish they'd leave iTunes alone rather than 
> >> making it the rosetta stone for they whole Apple kingdom.
> >
> > Dude: I don't know is happening on your machine, but it isn't a 
> > deliberate thing by Apple.
> >
> > It works just fine on my machine.
> 
> On my machine, removing the column works fine - until you restart
> iTunes. Then the column re-appears on its own. It's a bug.
> 


But it works fine on IT'S machine, and IT is the voice of authority.  But others say IT'S nothing but a dumb, little shit troll.

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