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| Started by | John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> |
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| First post | 2015-07-31 11:26 -0400 |
| Last post | 2015-09-21 19:52 -0700 |
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Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-07-31 11:26 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 11:47 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-31 12:01 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 12:07 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-31 12:36 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 12:46 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-31 13:45 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 14:06 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 10:35 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-07-31 20:52 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan billy@MIX.COM - 2015-08-01 09:13 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-01 14:03 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 10:13 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-01 14:51 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 11:12 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-01 18:39 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-02 10:45 +1200
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-02 06:31 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 19:23 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan billy@MIX.COM - 2015-08-02 16:07 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-02 16:13 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-08-02 20:40 -0600
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan billy@MIX.COM - 2015-08-02 16:55 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-02 17:20 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-02 13:35 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-02 17:51 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-01 11:54 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 10:24 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-08-02 08:28 -0600
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-02 10:40 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 10:48 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-02 10:56 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 11:00 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-02 11:02 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 11:31 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-02 11:40 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 12:00 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan billy@MIX.COM - 2015-08-02 16:26 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-02 16:31 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan billy@MIX.COM - 2015-08-02 17:13 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-02 17:27 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 20:47 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 10:40 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-02 10:47 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 10:53 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-02 10:56 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-08-02 11:48 -0600
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 21:08 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-03 01:25 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-03 08:10 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-03 13:32 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-07-31 17:04 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 17:24 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-07-31 15:30 -0700
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 18:36 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 11:08 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-01 16:45 +0100
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-01 11:54 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 18:57 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-08-02 07:45 -0600
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 10:09 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-08-02 11:48 -0600
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 21:04 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 11:02 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-01 12:08 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 19:22 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-01 22:06 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 09:36 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-02 11:39 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 11:58 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-02 13:42 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-02 20:53 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-02 21:31 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-03 08:12 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-03 15:42 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-05 09:06 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-02 21:22 -0700
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-03 08:16 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-08-03 20:56 -0700
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-05 09:11 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-05 12:40 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-05 18:53 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-06 00:02 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-06 16:25 +0100
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-06 11:25 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-06 11:33 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-08-04 23:01 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 10:47 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan billy@MIX.COM - 2015-08-02 16:02 +0000
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 13:39 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-31 12:01 -0400
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan ydroscratchin@gmail.com - 2015-09-21 18:23 -0700
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan ydroscratchin@gmail.com - 2015-09-21 18:32 -0700
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan ydroscratchin@gmail.com - 2015-09-21 19:12 -0700
Re: Terminal command to disable disk swapping in El Capitan ydroscratchin@gmail.com - 2015-09-21 19:52 -0700
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 17:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d27280F389cU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78334 |
On 2015-08-02, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes, quoting me > about Menu Bar items: > >> > Not to mention dumping some of Apple's entirely. >> >> Like what? > > The Notification Center and Spotlight icons. On small > screens, every pixel counts. Both of these are hardly > useful when one is accessable via a simple swipe and > the other from the keyboard - from whence one will be > typing something into it anyway. > > The inability to easily dump either of these (with, > for example, a simple checkbox in their preferences) > is typical of a component within Apple that does not > give much consideration to haw their systems are > actually used. See "Ask Tog," et al. for more info. No need. I was just curious what your gripes were. I agree they should be customizable. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 20:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v8adne8tHsigJyPInZ2dnUU7-fudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78330 |
On 2015-08-02 12:26, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes: > >> I've received an e-mail from R.M. explaining that he would have to >> change to menu item API he doesn't like (for reasons not made clearer >> than being "inferior"). > > This is the same problem Surtees Studios (Bartender, previously cited) > has. Inferior here means not being able to order the menu bar items as > one would prefer. Not to mention dumping some of Apple's entirely. > >> And R.M. knows precisely what that change is wrt the API needed. > > Yes, this is not brain surgery, heh. I have the same probem when > forced to write crappy code - it takes a while for my hands to un- > freeze and actually type it out. His objection to presentation is valid I suppose. Apple tend to simplify things to the point of frustrating programmers (and users) who want to refine things a little further. Surgeons are handed pitchforks before surgery.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 10:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xoWdnTVE45JstiPInZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78310 |
On 2015-08-02 10:28, Neill Massello wrote: > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> Sure hope Apple eventually (soon) support code signing for the likes of >> Raging Menace et al for programs that need access to deep data. > > Don't expect it. If it's a security question, Apple probably won't back > down. It looks like the unsupported hack used by MenuMeters has reached > the end of the line and the developer has little incentive to replace > it. I received an e-mail from R.M. He has another way to do it using a different API but he has some disdain for it (for reasons he didn't cover other than it being "inferior" and he stated it being the method that iStat use. Whether he "knows" that or assumes it, I don't know). Why do you claim that he's using an "unsupported hack" to date? As to incentive, since it's donation ware, maybe he's not getting enough love, maybe he is. (I donated to him about 7 years ago, so maybe I better ante up).
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 10:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <020820151047408295%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78312 |
In article <xoWdnTVE45JstiPInZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > > I received an e-mail from R.M. He has another way to do it using a > different API but he has some disdain for it (for reasons he didn't > cover other than it being "inferior" and he stated it being the method > that iStat use. Whether he "knows" that or assumes it, I don't know). translated: he doesn't want to learn something new and would rather blame apple.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 10:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <I_edncA8buSbsiPInZ2dnUU7-T-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78313 |
On 2015-08-02 10:47, nospam wrote: > In article <xoWdnTVE45JstiPInZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> >> I received an e-mail from R.M. He has another way to do it using a >> different API but he has some disdain for it (for reasons he didn't >> cover other than it being "inferior" and he stated it being the method >> that iStat use. Whether he "knows" that or assumes it, I don't know). > > translated: he doesn't want to learn something new and would rather > blame apple. You have no idea what his motives are.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 10:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <020820151056420787%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78315 |
In article <I_edncA8buSbsiPInZ2dnUU7-T-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> I received an e-mail from R.M. He has another way to do it using a > >> different API but he has some disdain for it (for reasons he didn't > >> cover other than it being "inferior" and he stated it being the method > >> that iStat use. Whether he "knows" that or assumes it, I don't know). > > > > translated: he doesn't want to learn something new and would rather > > blame apple. > > You have no idea what his motives are. his motives aren't the issue. he can learn something new or he can pack his bags and go home. this happens to every developer at one time or another.
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| From | nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 11:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1m8iy0p.ibelyn17h66riN%nmassello@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #78312 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > Why do you claim that he's using an "unsupported hack" to date? From the top of the MenuMeters FAQ: "Q: This is a hack! Its using undocumented Apple APIs! Aren't you behaving badly? "A: Guilty as charged. Its important to note, however, that the only undocumented API used in MenuMeters is the menu extra API itself. The routines used to gather the resource information (host_statistics, sysctl, and IOKit) are all documented. "As for the menu extra API itself... I think the benefits outweigh the risk. Certainly it is possible for a misbehaving menu extra to crash the SystemUIServer. Since SystemUIServer restarts itself, a crash is not the end of the world. Hopefully in some future system release Apple will introduce an public API that is comparable to the menu extra API. I'll happily port to that API when that day comes. In the meantime I wrote what I wanted. That said, if you are the kind of person who avoids all software that goes outside the Apple guidelines, then MenuMeters is not for you. Numerous alternatives exist, and a search on any Macintosh software site should be your next step." <http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/menumeters/FAQ.html>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 21:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v8udnQLsa766IiPInZ2dnUU7-KGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78341 |
On 2015-08-02 13:48, Neill Massello wrote: > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> Why do you claim that he's using an "unsupported hack" to date? > > From the top of the MenuMeters FAQ: > > "Q: This is a hack! Its using undocumented Apple APIs! Aren't you > behaving badly? > > "A: Guilty as charged. Its important to note, however, that the only > undocumented API used in MenuMeters is the menu extra API itself. The > routines used to gather the resource information (host_statistics, > sysctl, and IOKit) are all documented. Interesting. In effect because he doesn't like the Apple randomish presentation (I've noticed this too). He's coded around it and now he's screwed and petulant about being forced to use an API that doesn't support well determined display outcomes (eg: where the shit actually is displayed v. where you want it displayed).
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-03 01:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d27u7nFa7abU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78352 |
On 2015-08-03, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015-08-02 13:48, Neill Massello wrote: >> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >> >>> Why do you claim that he's using an "unsupported hack" to date? >> >> From the top of the MenuMeters FAQ: >> >> "Q: This is a hack! Its using undocumented Apple APIs! Aren't you >> behaving badly? >> >> "A: Guilty as charged. Its important to note, however, that the only >> undocumented API used in MenuMeters is the menu extra API itself. The >> routines used to gather the resource information (host_statistics, >> sysctl, and IOKit) are all documented. > > Interesting. In effect because he doesn't like the Apple randomish > presentation (I've noticed this too). He's coded around it and now he's > screwed and petulant about being forced to use an API that doesn't > support well determined display outcomes (eg: where the shit actually is > displayed v. where you want it displayed). Again, I have to wonder how Bjango solved this problem for iStat Menus... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-03 08:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mPCdnbmiF8rYxyLInZ2dnUU7-Y2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78354 |
On 2015-08-02 21:25, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2015-08-03, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >> On 2015-08-02 13:48, Neill Massello wrote: >>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Why do you claim that he's using an "unsupported hack" to date? >>> >>> From the top of the MenuMeters FAQ: >>> >>> "Q: This is a hack! Its using undocumented Apple APIs! Aren't you >>> behaving badly? >>> >>> "A: Guilty as charged. Its important to note, however, that the only >>> undocumented API used in MenuMeters is the menu extra API itself. The >>> routines used to gather the resource information (host_statistics, >>> sysctl, and IOKit) are all documented. >> >> Interesting. In effect because he doesn't like the Apple randomish >> presentation (I've noticed this too). He's coded around it and now he's >> screwed and petulant about being forced to use an API that doesn't >> support well determined display outcomes (eg: where the shit actually is >> displayed v. where you want it displayed). > > Again, I have to wonder how Bjango solved this problem for iStat > Menus... Does the random location placement occur?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-03 13:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d298rjFjn67U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78369 |
On 2015-08-03, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015-08-02 21:25, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-08-03, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>> On 2015-08-02 13:48, Neill Massello wrote: >>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why do you claim that he's using an "unsupported hack" to date? >>>> >>>> From the top of the MenuMeters FAQ: >>>> >>>> "Q: This is a hack! Its using undocumented Apple APIs! Aren't you >>>> behaving badly? >>>> >>>> "A: Guilty as charged. Its important to note, however, that the only >>>> undocumented API used in MenuMeters is the menu extra API itself. The >>>> routines used to gather the resource information (host_statistics, >>>> sysctl, and IOKit) are all documented. >>> >>> Interesting. In effect because he doesn't like the Apple randomish >>> presentation (I've noticed this too). He's coded around it and now he's >>> screwed and petulant about being forced to use an API that doesn't >>> support well determined display outcomes (eg: where the shit actually is >>> displayed v. where you want it displayed). >> >> Again, I have to wonder how Bjango solved this problem for iStat >> Menus... > > Does the random location placement occur? Oh, I wouldn't know since I'm still running Yosemite. Just wondering... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 17:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55bbe2a1$0$27260$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com> |
| In reply to | #78244 |
On 7/31/15 12:01 PM, Alan Browne wrote: > 'cause it's his computer and he can set it up to experiment as he sees fit. Thanks, Alan. I've been running Yosemite on a 2012 Mac Mini w/10gb of RAM for a long time with disk swapping disabled. It runs GREAT that way -- even from a platter-based HDD in a firewire enclosure. I also have Spotlight completely disabled, TM turned off, compressed memory turned OFF, sleep image disabled, etc. The Mini runs remarkably smoothly and stably, doesn't crash. Much better than with the above features enabled. Others can choose to ridicule me if they wish. This is usenet, and one can do and post as one pleases!
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 17:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <310720151724400777%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78259 |
In article <55bbe2a1$0$27260$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com>, John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote: > I've been running Yosemite on a 2012 Mac Mini w/10gb of RAM for a long > time with disk swapping disabled. that's stupid. > It runs GREAT that way -- even from a platter-based HDD in a firewire > enclosure. not as good as it would if it was working the way it was designed to work. > I also have Spotlight completely disabled, TM turned off, compressed > memory turned OFF, sleep image disabled, etc. even more stupid, particularly with not making backups. > The Mini runs remarkably smoothly and stably, doesn't crash. > > Much better than with the above features enabled. bullshit. > Others can choose to ridicule me if they wish. > This is usenet, and one can do and post as one pleases! until you explain why you think the above is a good idea, you will be ridiculed and for very good reasons. what you're doing is *stupid*.
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 15:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mpgss4$rlm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78260 |
In article <310720151724400777%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <55bbe2a1$0$27260$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com>, John Albert > <j.albert@snet.net> wrote: > > > I've been running Yosemite on a 2012 Mac Mini w/10gb of RAM for a long > > time with disk swapping disabled. > > that's stupid. > > > It runs GREAT that way -- even from a platter-based HDD in a firewire > > enclosure. > > not as good as it would if it was working the way it was designed to > work. > > > I also have Spotlight completely disabled, TM turned off, compressed > > memory turned OFF, sleep image disabled, etc. > > even more stupid, particularly with not making backups. > > > The Mini runs remarkably smoothly and stably, doesn't crash. > > > > Much better than with the above features enabled. > > bullshit. > > > Others can choose to ridicule me if they wish. > > This is usenet, and one can do and post as one pleases! > > until you explain why you think the above is a good idea, you will be > ridiculed and for very good reasons. > > what you're doing is *stupid*. And again, right on cue, the standard refrain "If Apple doesn't provide it, you don't need it, and if you want it, you're an idiot" rings out across the 'net. -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 18:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <310720151836218816%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78261 |
In article <mpgss4$rlm$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote: > > > I've been running Yosemite on a 2012 Mac Mini w/10gb of RAM for a long > > > time with disk swapping disabled. > > > > that's stupid. > > > > > It runs GREAT that way -- even from a platter-based HDD in a firewire > > > enclosure. > > > > not as good as it would if it was working the way it was designed to > > work. > > > > > I also have Spotlight completely disabled, TM turned off, compressed > > > memory turned OFF, sleep image disabled, etc. > > > > even more stupid, particularly with not making backups. > > > > > The Mini runs remarkably smoothly and stably, doesn't crash. > > > > > > Much better than with the above features enabled. > > > > bullshit. > > > > > Others can choose to ridicule me if they wish. > > > This is usenet, and one can do and post as one pleases! > > > > until you explain why you think the above is a good idea, you will be > > ridiculed and for very good reasons. > > > > what you're doing is *stupid*. > > And again, right on cue, the standard refrain "If Apple doesn't provide > it, you don't need it, and if you want it, you're an idiot" rings out > across the 'net. and again, more of your mindless bashing. he's using the computer in a way it was not designed to be used and without giving a good reason in doing so. if he has a good reason, that's one thing, but he doesn't. it also has absolutely nothing to do with apple either, something you also don't understand. if this was a windows or unix system and someone disabled virtual memory and other stuff for no good reason, they'd be called an idiot just as quickly.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 11:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4WdnelhxddqfSHInZ2dnUU7-KednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78262 |
On 2015-07-31 18:36, nospam wrote: > and again, more of your mindless bashing. > > he's using the computer in a way it was not designed to be used and > without giving a good reason in doing so. > > if he has a good reason, that's one thing, but he doesn't. Sure he does. The computer in question has sizeable RAM which is a cash investment. To make it payoff he's increasing the speed of the computer by disabling resources that are not needed anymore. By use he's proven that the system is stable. (I've done the same for both VM and MC). To be sure, if he had stayed at a more common 4 GB physical memory, esp. if that memory is shared with the GPU, then VM and possibly MC are certainly recommended. > it also has absolutely nothing to do with apple either, something you > also don't understand. if this was a windows or unix system and someone > disabled virtual memory and other stuff for no good reason, they'd be > called an idiot just as quickly. VM is an old technology that is probably heading to the trash bin in the next 10 years as physical memory becomes ever cheaper allowing people to have generous margins of memory making an overhead not needed for many, possibly most users for most uses of their computers. Get over it. Systems evolve. You should give that a shot too.
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 16:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <010820151645396291%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #78279 |
In article <l4WdnelhxddqfSHInZ2dnUU7-KednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >VM is an old technology that is probably heading to the trash bin in the >next 10 years as physical memory becomes ever cheaper allowing people to >have generous margins of memory making an overhead not needed for many, >possibly most users for most uses of their computers. Perhaps you can explain just what you mean by "turning off VM". You trying to turn off memory mapping and/or memory protection as well? You taking your Mac back to the days before old MacOS had virtual memory? Perhaps you just mean turning off swapping and/or paging, could you confirm? -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 11:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <010820151154234552%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78279 |
In article <l4WdnelhxddqfSHInZ2dnUU7-KednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > > VM is an old technology that is probably heading to the trash bin in the > next 10 years as physical memory becomes ever cheaper allowing people to > have generous margins of memory making an overhead not needed for many, > possibly most users for most uses of their computers. nonsense. software always pushes the limits of hardware. vm extends whatever limits the hardware has with no perceptible impact, particularly if you have large amounts of memory, where it wouldn't be swapping anyway. turning it off is *dumb*.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 18:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j7idnYE75NBC0yDInZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78283 |
On 2015-08-01 11:54, nospam wrote: > In article <l4WdnelhxddqfSHInZ2dnUU7-KednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> >> VM is an old technology that is probably heading to the trash bin in the >> next 10 years as physical memory becomes ever cheaper allowing people to >> have generous margins of memory making an overhead not needed for many, >> possibly most users for most uses of their computers. > > nonsense. software always pushes the limits of hardware. > > vm extends whatever limits the hardware has with no perceptible impact, > particularly if you have large amounts of memory, where it wouldn't be > swapping anyway. turning it off is *dumb*. If you have large amounts of memory such that there is no swapping, then having VM enabled is dumb. Sort of like having a trailer hitch on the car and never needing to attach a trailer. Dead weight.
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| From | nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 07:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1m8inxx.hacmpvvsgh12N%nmassello@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #78295 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > If you have large amounts of memory such that there is no swapping, then > having VM enabled is dumb. Sort of like having a trailer hitch on the > car and never needing to attach a trailer. Dead weight. But is there any "weight" to VM if there is never any swapping? Do you have any numbers to indicate that your three ton pickup runs any better without that three pound trailer hitch?
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