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| Started by | Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> |
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| First post | 2015-07-23 07:18 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-08-15 12:52 +0100 |
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A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-07-23 07:18 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-23 10:36 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-07-23 08:54 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-23 12:07 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-07-23 17:06 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-23 13:31 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-07-23 11:43 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-24 09:34 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-07-24 11:10 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-24 14:13 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-01 10:11 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-01 18:54 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-13 13:29 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-14 13:56 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:04 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-17 11:21 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-17 14:27 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-08-18 09:07 +1200
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-17 23:57 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-18 00:35 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:34 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-18 20:49 +1200
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 13:10 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 14:36 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-23 22:54 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 14:39 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-24 11:54 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-18 02:32 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-18 02:36 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 13:37 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 16:55 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 22:10 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 22:30 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-24 13:17 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 06:58 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 01:35 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-24 15:47 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 14:50 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-24 11:55 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 14:49 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 17:55 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 22:06 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-08-23 22:25 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 22:29 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 01:35 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 07:02 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-24 15:46 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-23 15:00 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 15:12 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-24 01:37 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 13:22 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 16:55 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 14:43 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:33 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 13:38 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-18 10:56 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-23 14:02 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 17:26 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-23 14:43 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-24 01:34 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 15:01 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-08-23 22:30 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-23 22:36 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-24 15:48 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 07:00 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-24 01:33 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-23 19:52 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:26 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-08-19 08:57 +1200
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-19 16:21 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 09:47 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-19 17:08 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-19 14:30 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 12:09 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-09-01 12:33 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-01 15:50 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-01 18:29 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-01 19:31 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-01 22:41 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:18 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-18 10:51 +1200
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-09-01 10:39 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:35 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-26 09:42 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-13 13:21 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-08-13 16:30 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-13 23:00 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-14 02:20 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-14 13:57 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-15 08:47 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-15 08:44 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-08-17 13:00 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-17 16:03 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-17 16:59 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-17 18:56 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-09-01 10:24 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-01 13:55 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-01 14:04 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-01 14:08 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-01 11:33 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-01 11:23 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-23 14:11 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2015-07-23 11:32 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-23 19:36 +0100
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-24 09:35 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-07-23 17:44 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-23 17:55 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2015-07-24 08:20 +0200
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-07-24 15:56 +0000
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-07-31 11:19 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-07-31 10:15 -0700
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-07-31 13:59 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-07-31 13:24 -0600
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-01 10:22 -0400
Re: A.T.A. drive or Fusion drive? glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.eu> - 2015-08-15 12:52 +0100
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 11:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2015090111233888080-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #79399 |
On 2015-09-01 17:24:36 +0000, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> said: > On 2015-08-18 01:56:24 +0000, Savageduck said: > >> On 2015-08-17 20:00:21 +0000, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> said: >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I think you're right, Alan. I do often keep several image files >>> open simultaneously in Photoshop, and some of them take up 100 or 200 >>> megabytes each, and in one or two of them I have as many as a hundred >>> or 200 History steps accessible. That's the way I like to work, and >>> why I require a powerful computer. >> >> 200 history steps available!! ?? >> >> That is excessive and poor memory management, if that is the way you >> like to work, it is not an efficient method or work flow. >> >> Even if I work with multiple layers, I complete the intermediate >> adjustments and move on. Each of the completed layers is self contained >> and replaceable, there is no need to access them via History. I >> currently have my performance preferences set at 50 History States, and >> I seldom need to access any of those. When I do, it is unusual to go >> deeper than 10 to 20 States. > > I use only one layer and I don't know how to use adjustment layers. > Maybe that's the reason for our diferent approaches. I don't know. That raises the question as to why you are bothering with Photoshop at all? You are going about things in a ham handed an inefficient way. Adjustment layers in Photoshop are what makes Photoshop and many of the new OSX image editing apps such as Pixelmator, and Affinity Photo so powerful. I suggest that you get yourself a good book on Photoshop, or take in a few video tutorials. I recommend starting with Scott Kelby's "The Adobe Photoshop CC Book" or Martin Evening's "Photoshop CC for Photographers" both are available from Amazon. For videos I would start with Adobe and Julianne Kost. These are all free. <http://www.jkost.com/photoshop.html> >>> I hope that when I get my three-terabyte drive installed in a couple of >>> days (replacing my one-terabyte drive) I'll be able to contiue with my >>> memory-intensive Photoshop image edting, without the Mac slowing so >>> much. >> >> How much RAM do you have assigned to PS? > > 10,410 megabytes out of 16 gigabytes. > >> Having a fatter HDD is just going to mean more writing to your assigned >> scratch disc/partition, and that is going to be limited by the speed of >> the HDD. You will see little improvement over the performance you are >> currently experiencing. Without sufficient RAM assigned you will still >> have the same number of write/read cycles to the HDD regardless of the >> size of the HDD. >> >> If you are not going to change your inefficient workflow to something >> more sensible, and you want to perceptually speed things up for >> yourself, do two things: >> 1: Get more RAM and assign a disproportionate amount to PS. (I have 16 >> GB on this Mac with 10246 MB allocated to PS). > > I ordered 32 gigabytes of RAM. It should be here later this week. That should be plenty. > >> 2: Get an SSD to allocate as a dedicated scratch disc. > > With 32 gigabytes of RAM, how much should I assign to Photoshop? If you open your Photoshop preferences and check "Memory Usage" you will see "Available RAM". This is not going to be 32GB. it will probably read something like "28000 MB". The next line will read "Ideal range" for your 32 GB it will probably be something such as 15400-2016 MB. I would select something within that range, probably around 18000 MB. Don't try to allocate all 32 GB. >> ...but I would start by adjusting your History States from your insane >> 200 to a more reasonable 50. > > I keep as many History states available as possible so that I can go > back to previous states if I decide that an older state has some > preferable content compared to the latest state. The History states > have vital for my work, and often I've been disappointed when there > weren't enough History states available for me to go back to. You need to change your methodology it is not giving you the best Photoshop can give you. No Photoshop user would ever recommend doing what you are doing. > Thanis, Savage. > > Tom Evans -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 14:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xbCdnXy_JJXJsyzInZ2dnUU7-R2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78036 |
On 2015-07-23 10:18, Tom Evans wrote: > I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte > Imac that's almsot full. > > Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? > > I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and > I need much computing power for digital music-making. Fusion is nice. After you've used a given app (say Photoshop) a few times, suddenly it loads much quicker. But it doesn't improve processing much (or probably at all). For photos I'd store "in-work" photography on the iMac and library stuff in 2 or more external drives keeping one "off site" if possible. So no real need for 3 TB (though my previous iMac had 2 after I upgraded it from 500 GB.) My curreny iMac has 1 TB / Fusion. I'd put money on memory (order 8 GB standard from Apple; then add 16 GB from Crucial (et al) to get up to 24 GB) rather than the internal HD.
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| From | Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 11:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2015072311323318774-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> |
| In reply to | #78042 |
On 2015-07-23 18:11:32 +0000, Alan Browne said: > On 2015-07-23 10:18, Tom Evans wrote: >> I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte >> Imac that's almsot full. >> >> Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? >> >> I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and >> I need much computing power for digital music-making. > > Fusion is nice. After you've used a given app (say Photoshop) a few > times, suddenly it loads much quicker. But it doesn't improve > processing much (or probably at all). > > For photos I'd store "in-work" photography on the iMac and library > stuff in 2 or more external drives keeping one "off site" if possible. > > So no real need for 3 TB (though my previous iMac had 2 after I > upgraded it from 500 GB.) My curreny iMac has 1 TB / Fusion. > > I'd put money on memory (order 8 GB standard from Apple; then add 16 GB > from Crucial (et al) to get up to 24 GB) rather than the internal HD. Thanks, Alan. What kind of memory? I have 16 gigabytes in my current 2011 Imac. I don't know if that's enough. Tom
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 19:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <230720151936466165%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #78043 |
In article <2015072311323318774-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote: >On 2015-07-23 18:11:32 +0000, Alan Browne said: > >> On 2015-07-23 10:18, Tom Evans wrote: >>> I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte >>> Imac that's almsot full. >>> >>> Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? >>> >>> I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and >>> I need much computing power for digital music-making. >> >> Fusion is nice. After you've used a given app (say Photoshop) a few >> times, suddenly it loads much quicker. But it doesn't improve >> processing much (or probably at all). >> >> For photos I'd store "in-work" photography on the iMac and library >> stuff in 2 or more external drives keeping one "off site" if possible. >> >> So no real need for 3 TB (though my previous iMac had 2 after I >> upgraded it from 500 GB.) My curreny iMac has 1 TB / Fusion. >> >> I'd put money on memory (order 8 GB standard from Apple; then add 16 GB >> from Crucial (et al) to get up to 24 GB) rather than the internal HD. > >Thanks, Alan. > >What kind of memory? > >I have 16 gigabytes in my current 2011 Imac. I don't know if that's enough. At the Crucial website, if you tell it what model you have (or perhaps enter your Mac's serial number, can't remember), it offers you the correct memory. -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-24 09:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cOidnYcPdLu_oi_InZ2dnUU7-UudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78043 |
On 2015-07-23 14:32, Tom Evans wrote: > On 2015-07-23 18:11:32 +0000, Alan Browne said: > >> On 2015-07-23 10:18, Tom Evans wrote: >>> I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte >>> Imac that's almsot full. >>> >>> Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? >>> >>> I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and >>> I need much computing power for digital music-making. >> >> Fusion is nice. After you've used a given app (say Photoshop) a few >> times, suddenly it loads much quicker. But it doesn't improve >> processing much (or probably at all). >> >> For photos I'd store "in-work" photography on the iMac and library >> stuff in 2 or more external drives keeping one "off site" if possible. >> >> So no real need for 3 TB (though my previous iMac had 2 after I >> upgraded it from 500 GB.) My curreny iMac has 1 TB / Fusion. >> >> I'd put money on memory (order 8 GB standard from Apple; then add 16 >> GB from Crucial (et al) to get up to 24 GB) rather than the internal HD. > > Thanks, Alan. > > What kind of memory? > > I have 16 gigabytes in my current 2011 Imac. I don't know if that's > enough. Depends on use. See my other reply.
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 17:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <230720151744549233%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #78036 |
Tom Evans: > I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte > Imac that's almsot full. > > Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? > > I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and > I need much computing power for digital music-making. My experience with a 27" 5K iMac/3TB Fusion drive: go for the Fusion drive for speed. 16GB of RAM is OK, 32GB gives an extra boost. My advice: always buy the very best that you can afford. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 17:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <230720151755327124%heron@invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78036 |
i like fusion drive
system reboots in under 45 seconds as opposed to 3-4 minutes
photoshop opens in under 5 seconds from cold start
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| From | Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> |
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| Date | 2015-07-24 08:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <andreas-A88AE5.08202424072015@news.individual.de> |
| In reply to | #78036 |
Salut Tom In article <2015072307182152788-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote: > I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte > Imac that's almsot full. so you are thinking of a 27" iMac or an iMac Retina... > > Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? You can't buy a current iMac with ATA drive, they come as SATA nowadays. > > I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and > I need much computing power for digital music-making. I'd go with the Fusion Drive Consider adding more RAM (usually cheaper to buy at other places than the Apple Store) Do frequent backups, recovering data from a defective Fusion Drive is nearly impossible... Cheers Andreas -- MacAndreas Rutishauser, <http://www.MacAndreas.ch> EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung <mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 044 / 721 36 47
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-24 15:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d1f5i2F2rfgU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78050 |
On 2015-07-24, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote: > Salut Tom > > In article <2015072307182152788-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, > Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote: > >> I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte >> Imac that's almsot full. > > so you are thinking of a 27" iMac or an iMac Retina... >> >> Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? > > You can't buy a current iMac with ATA drive, they come as SATA nowadays. Well both SATA and PATA drives are ATA drives. ; ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 11:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55bb91d2$0$3084$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com> |
| In reply to | #78036 |
On 7/23/15 10:18 AM, Tom Evans wrote: > Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? I wouldn't buy ANY new Mac UNLESS it came with a fusion drive (at least) or an SSD (at best). HDD's are getting too slow to handle the Mac OS. The software works, but it's less like "running" than it is "walking"...
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| From | John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 10:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mpgad2$bks$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78240 |
On 7/31/15 PDT 8:19 AM, John Albert wrote: > On 7/23/15 10:18 AM, Tom Evans wrote: >> Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? > > I wouldn't buy ANY new Mac UNLESS it came with a fusion drive (at least) > or an SSD (at best). > > HDD's are getting too slow to handle the Mac OS. > The software works, but it's less like "running" than it is "walking"... That's simply not true. But to each his own.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 13:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fo-dna53A4MQKibInZ2dnUU7-KednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78248 |
On 2015-07-31 13:15, John McWilliams wrote: > On 7/31/15 PDT 8:19 AM, John Albert wrote: >> On 7/23/15 10:18 AM, Tom Evans wrote: >>> Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? >> >> I wouldn't buy ANY new Mac UNLESS it came with a fusion drive (at least) >> or an SSD (at best). >> >> HDD's are getting too slow to handle the Mac OS. >> The software works, but it's less like "running" than it is "walking"... > > That's simply not true. But to each his own. It's at least half true. We (work) just bought a Mac Mini with a 500 GB HD. It is remarkably slower than the laptop it replaces (same processor/memory but with SSD) when loading programs. Once loaded all is well. It's okay for the use we make of that Mac Mini but generally I'd always have SSD or Fusion for any computer I/we spend a lot of time using. To whit, my SO's new MBA is nice and quick with an i5 @ 1.6 GHz.
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| From | nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 13:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1m8fedp.16y30ss1ombvggN%nmassello@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #78251 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > We (work) just bought a Mac Mini with a 500 GB HD. It is remarkably > slower than the laptop it replaces (same processor/memory but with SSD) > when loading programs. Once loaded all is well. So you got that base model mini. Happy now?
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 10:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <OMKdnW4WJqypSyHInZ2dnUU7-UGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78253 |
On 2015-07-31 15:24, Neill Massello wrote: > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> We (work) just bought a Mac Mini with a 500 GB HD. It is remarkably >> slower than the laptop it replaces (same processor/memory but with SSD) >> when loading programs. Once loaded all is well. > > So you got that base model mini. Happy now? Very. It does the tasks for that workstation perfectly and liberates a laptop for roving.
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| From | glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.eu> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 12:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2015081512525847947-gavin.lawrie@2gc.eu> |
| In reply to | #78036 |
On 2015-07-23 14:18:21 +0000, Tom Evans said: > I'm considering buying a three-terabyte Imac to replace my one-terabyte > Imac that's almsot full. > > Should I buy one with a Fusion drive or is an A.T.A. dirve sufficient? > > I'm storing many images on my Imac and editing them with Photoshop, and > I need much computing power for digital music-making. I've been using a 'roll-your-own' fusion drive on my Mac Pro for several years now, and switching from HDD only to Fusion resulted in significant 'real world' speed increases. Worth having I think. Space limitations mean you probably have to go for Apple's proprietary Fusion drive, but I suspect (but not tried) you could spook up a 'roll-your-own' fusion drive based on having SSD in the iMac and plugging in an external drive. To best of my knowledge Fusion drives can be configured on any combination of drives that can connect to the Mac pre-boot (i.e. in Hardware). Rolling your own fusion drives is pretty straight forward, and nailed on reliable in my experience. More info in interweb, but much of what you find references this article (the one I used to guide my installation): http://jolly.jinx.de/teclog/2012.10.20.fusion-drive-on-older-macs-yes.html G.
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