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Holding down a key does not show repeating inputted characters?

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#82872

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-10-09 18:50 -0400
Message-ID	<091020151850206331%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#82870

In article <D23D9193.5FBC3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
<usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
> > reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
> > "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
> > cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
> > iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
> > is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.
> 
> OK, *one* example of iPhone glass breaking because someone pressed on it too
> hard with any intention OTHER than to stress test it and break it.
> 
> We are not talking microscope slides here!

no shit.

he's full of shit.

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#82875

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-09 16:41 -0700
Message-ID	<D23D9EC2.5FBDD%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82872

On 10/9/15, 3:50 PM, in article 091020151850206331%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <D23D9193.5FBC3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>> What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
>>> reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
>>> "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
>>> cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
>>> iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
>>> is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.
>> 
>> OK, *one* example of iPhone glass breaking because someone pressed on it too
>> hard with any intention OTHER than to stress test it and break it.
>> 
>> We are not talking microscope slides here!
> 
> no shit.
> 
> he's full of shit.

Hey, let us look at a review where they actually use it:

<http://goo.gl/fLLHfl> MacWorld
    -----
    3D Touch is a hard problem that Apple got just right Before the
    iPhone 6s launched, no one was sure how Force Touch on it would
    work. Now we know‹it works just great.
    ...
    It¹s so hard to communicate the experience, though plenty of
    people will get to enjoy it themselves in a bit more than a week
    when they start receiving the iPhone 6s. The best way I can
    describe it is that for all my attempts to get 3D Touch to
    misunderstand me, it just couldn¹t do it. I didn¹t need to use the
    heavy-fingered press I have to use on the Apple Watchthe 3D Touch
    on the iPhone 6s is almost gentle.

    And in moments my fear that this would be a feature that people
    would trigger accidentally and not understand what just happened
    started to fade away. Unlike taps and tap-and-hold gestures, which
    you can easily do without noticing, the extra haptic feedback of a
    3D Touch really gets your attention. Learning the necessary amount
    of force to apply will take the average human approximately 30
    seconds. This is stuff that fits right into our existence as
    creatures with dextrous fingers and opposable thumbs.
    -----
    
Yeah, seems completely confusing to them and they broke 5 screens just to
get it to work. : )


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#82884

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-10 02:05 +0000
Message-ID	<d7ra2uFa2o5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82872

On 2015-10-09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <D23D9193.5FBC3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
><usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> > What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
>> > reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
>> > "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
>> > cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
>> > iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
>> > is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.
>> 
>> OK, *one* example of iPhone glass breaking because someone pressed on it too
>> hard with any intention OTHER than to stress test it and break it.
>> 
>> We are not talking microscope slides here!
>
> no shit.
>
> he's full of shit.

If he wants to rail against something, rail against charge cables that
fall apart prematurely compared with competitors, or some other genuine
problem. Then I could sympathize.

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#82904

From	Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch>
Date	2015-10-10 07:35 +0200
Message-ID	<andreas-315DCF.07351210102015@news.individual.de>
In reply to	#82865

In article <101020151043266356%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <561804c3$0$31340$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > On 2015-10-09 01:51, nospam wrote:
> > > 
> > > how many shattered trackpads are there? zero.
> > 
> > That is because in the past, people took their frustrations out by
> > smashing the CRT or throwing it out the window.
> > 
> > Now, when they computer isn't doing what they want it to do, they will
> > take out their frustration by pressing harder and harder on the trackpad
> > till it breaks.
> > 
> > (a bit like american tourists in foreign location who think that
> > speaking english louder and louder will magically make the person
> > understand english.
> > 
> > :-) ;-)
> 
> What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
> reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
> "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
> cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
> iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
> is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.

so you think the force touch trackpads are not made of glass?
Go figure...

<http://www.imore.com/science-behind-taptics-and-force-touch>

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#82905

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date	2015-10-10 18:52 +1300
Message-ID	<101020151852304572%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to	#82904

In article <andreas-315DCF.07351210102015@news.individual.de>, Andreas
Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
> In article <101020151043266356%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <561804c3$0$31340$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > On 2015-10-09 01:51, nospam wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > how many shattered trackpads are there? zero.
> > > 
> > > That is because in the past, people took their frustrations out by
> > > smashing the CRT or throwing it out the window.
> > > 
> > > Now, when they computer isn't doing what they want it to do, they will
> > > take out their frustration by pressing harder and harder on the trackpad
> > > till it breaks.
> > > 
> > > (a bit like american tourists in foreign location who think that
> > > speaking english louder and louder will magically make the person
> > > understand english.
> > > 
> > > :-) ;-)
> > 
> > What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
> > reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
> > "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
> > cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
> > iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
> > is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.
> 
> so you think the force touch trackpads are not made of glass?
> Go figure...
> 
> <http://www.imore.com/science-behind-taptics-and-force-touch>

Good grief!!  :-\

Why do so many people still continue to obey the sticker on their modem
that says "Switch off brain before use".  :-(

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#82907

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-09 23:13 -0700
Message-ID	<D23DFAB6.5FC4C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82905

On 10/9/15, 10:52 PM, in article 101020151852304572%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>>>> (a bit like american tourists in foreign location who think that
>>>> speaking english louder and louder will magically make the person
>>>> understand english.
>>>> 
>>>> :-) ;-)
>>> 
>>> What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
>>> reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
>>> "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
>>> cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
>>> iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
>>> is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.
>> 
>> so you think the force touch trackpads are not made of glass?
>> Go figure...
>> 
>> <http://www.imore.com/science-behind-taptics-and-force-touch>
> 
> Good grief!!  :-\
> 
> Why do so many people still continue to obey the sticker on their modem
> that says "Switch off brain before use".  :-(

Don't remember who but someone was saying that 3D Touch was going to lead to
people *breaking* their screens by pressing on them. Where the heck do these
people come from?


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#82922

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-10-10 16:58 +0000
Message-ID	<d7sudsFmmj1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#82907

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/9/15, 10:52 PM, in article 101020151852304572%YourName@YourISP.com,
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why do so many people still continue to obey the sticker on their modem
>> that says "Switch off brain before use".  :-(
> 
> Don't remember who but someone was saying that 3D Touch was going to lead to
> people *breaking* their screens by pressing on them. Where the heck do these
> people come from?

That was "Your Name".

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#82923

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-10 10:06 -0700
Message-ID	<D23E93C0.5FCDC%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82922

On 10/10/15, 9:58 AM, in article d7sudsFmmj1U1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/9/15, 10:52 PM, in article 101020151852304572%YourName@YourISP.com,
>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why do so many people still continue to obey the sticker on their modem
>>> that says "Switch off brain before use".  :-(
>> 
>> Don't remember who but someone was saying that 3D Touch was going to lead to
>> people *breaking* their screens by pressing on them. Where the heck do these
>> people come from?
> 
> That was "Your Name".

Ah, that is right. Thanks. Completely forgot. :)


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#82933

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-10-10 19:38 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnn1iqdc.6cq.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#82904

In message <andreas-315DCF.07351210102015@news.individual.de> 
  Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
> In article <101020151043266356%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> In article <561804c3$0$31340$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> > On 2015-10-09 01:51, nospam wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > how many shattered trackpads are there? zero.
>> > 
>> > That is because in the past, people took their frustrations out by
>> > smashing the CRT or throwing it out the window.
>> > 
>> > Now, when they computer isn't doing what they want it to do, they will
>> > take out their frustration by pressing harder and harder on the trackpad
>> > till it breaks.
>> > 
>> > (a bit like american tourists in foreign location who think that
>> > speaking english louder and louder will magically make the person
>> > understand english.
>> > 
>> > :-) ;-)
>> 
>> What the numbnuts failed to understand (as usual since they have zero
>> reading comprehension skills and zero intelligence) is that I said
>> "*glass*". I purposely said "glass" because people have learnt to be
>> cautious pressing on *glass* too heavily because it does break ... the
>> iPad / iPhone / iPod Touch display is covered in glass, so hence there
>> is still that in-built caution to not press too heavily on them.

> so you think the force touch trackpads are not made of glass?

He is dumber than a box of rocks.

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#82662

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-08 17:56 -0700
Message-ID	<D23C5ED5.5F97B%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82660

On 10/8/15, 5:49 PM, in article 091020151349295021%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

... 
>>> Which is exactly why the Mac only had (and only needed) one button mice
>>> for years ... they still only need one button.
>> 
>> Sure. But contextual menus are good.... and the middle button ALSO works to
>> do still more. Then you have option clicking. Lots of different things which
>> are not intuitive.
> 
> Useful to some people, but they aren't necessary to use the computer.

Is there anything where they are required on the new UIs? And there are some
features which are available on by right-clicking (even if I do not like
this).

> Every Mac I set-up for novice users there's a series of things I change
> - one of which is to turn off the right-click button. They won't use
> its or need it, and it simply confuses people (as you said).

I teach them to use it. Even seniors. The only exception I can think of was
a woman with horrible arthritis who had suffered a stroke. She could not
right click. She also could not use a mouse, but she could use a track ball.
I got her one of those then set all buttons to be "left click".
 
>>>> None of that is "intuitive" until you get used to a computer.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect 3D Touch / Force Touch is much the same.
>>> 
>>> Pushing something harder to make it do something different is *not* in
>>> any remote sense intuitive.
>> 
>> When I draw with pencil or charcoal if I push harder I get a different
>> result. 
> 
> You're not drawing with a pencil (at least not until Apple releases the
> iPad Pro, and that has a pressure sensitive Pencil stylus anyway). I'm
> talking about using standard computer or electronic interfaces.

I mean a physical pencil.

>> And as I said above, the idea on a computer UI is not to make it just like
>> something else. In the physical world I have never opened a folder to get to
>> a window, nor used a menu of any sort to rename a file. I have never grabbed
>> a mouse to move other than the mouse.
> 
> The idea of a user interface is to make it as easy and as intuitive to
> use as possible ... pressing hard is NOT intuitive to anyone.

What makes you think this? You keep saying it over and over and offering no
evidence. It is new and will take some getting used to, as the mouse did
when it was new. But that does not make it bad or hard to use.

Also does not mean you are right... just that you have offered no support.

>>> It's highly counter-intuitive (as are most of the silly multi-finger
>>> gestures) - you don't push light switches harder, pushing hard on glass
>>> is dangerous, etc.
>> 
>> What dangers do you think people will experience from getting to a
>> contextual menu or getting a quick look at content?
> 
> Dangerous in the sense of breaking the glass ... try pushing "harder"
> on your window and see what happens. Trying pushing harder on your
> light switch or door handle and you'll likely break it (I know, I've
> broken my car's door handle and it'll cost about $300 to repair it!!).

How many reports of broken devices from this do you expect to show up in the
news over the next year?

My guess: zero. Maybe one. And that person will by lying. :)

I have seen videos where they test bending and press on the phone HARD. The
glass does not break that easily.

>>> That's why people don't know about them and have to be told. Intuitive
>>> means you don't have to be told, you work it out naturally.
>> 
>> You did not learn to type naturally. Should computers not have keyboards?
> 
> Typing is intuitive as well ... you press a key with an "a" on it and
> you get an "a" on the screen (or piece of paper in terms of ye olde
> typewriter).

Ok, so you just hunt and peck. I am fine with that. What about capitals? And
option and command keys?

> Yes, a stylus is more intuitive (hence Apple's Newton years ago), but
> it's more cumbersome as a computer input device, especially with some
> people's scrawly handwriting. Speech is even more intuitive, hence
> Apple's Siri, but again is cumbersome as a computer interface due to
> the variety of languages, accents, etc.



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#82747

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-10-09 11:16 -0400
Message-ID	<5617da34$0$60213$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#82660

In article <091020151349295021%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Every Mac I set-up for novice users there's a series of things I change
> - one of which is to turn off the right-click button. They won't use
> its or need it, and it simply confuses people (as you said).

I think that that is one of dumbest things I've ever heard. The first 
time I plugged a two-button mouse into a Mac, the first thing I did was 
right-click with it. You shouldn't need two hands to bring up a 
contextual menu.
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#82864

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date	2015-10-10 10:29 +1300
Message-ID	<101020151029155296%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to	#82747

In article <5617da34$0$60213$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <091020151349295021%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Every Mac I set-up for novice users there's a series of things I change
> > - one of which is to turn off the right-click button. They won't use
> > it or need it, and it simply confuses people (as you said).
> 
> I think that that is one of dumbest things I've ever heard. The first 
> time I plugged a two-button mouse into a Mac, the first thing I did was 
> right-click with it. 

As I said: "for novice users", because they can get confused about
having two buttons, especially on Apple's mice where there is no clear
demarkation of the buttons.

Te idiotic "squeeze me" button was also another "feature" that was
always turned off during set-up.

> You shouldn't need two hands to bring up a contextual menu.

There's very few places that you actually need a contextual menu. Very
few people bother to use them, even on Windoze. Besides which, properly
written software has other ways of achieving the same result - usually
via an option in the standard menu bar.

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#82871

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-09 15:46 -0700
Message-ID	<D23D91E4.5FBC4%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82864

On 10/9/15, 2:29 PM, in article 101020151029155296%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <5617da34$0$60213$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <091020151349295021%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Every Mac I set-up for novice users there's a series of things I change
>>> - one of which is to turn off the right-click button. They won't use
>>> it or need it, and it simply confuses people (as you said).
>> 
>> I think that that is one of dumbest things I've ever heard. The first
>> time I plugged a two-button mouse into a Mac, the first thing I did was
>> right-click with it.
> 
> As I said: "for novice users", because they can get confused about
> having two buttons, especially on Apple's mice where there is no clear
> demarkation of the buttons.
> 
> Te idiotic "squeeze me" button was also another "feature" that was
> always turned off during set-up.

I find Apple mice to be nasty little rodents myself.
 
>> You shouldn't need two hands to bring up a contextual menu.
> 
> There's very few places that you actually need a contextual menu.

But they are helpful.

> Very few people bother to use them, even on Windoze.

Support? I see people use them often.

> Besides which, properly written software has other ways of achieving the same
> result - usually via an option in the standard menu bar.

Which does not mean they are not a benefit.

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#82906

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-10-10 17:04 +1100
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-094741.17045710102015@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>
In reply to	#82747

In article <5617da34$0$60213$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <091020151349295021%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > Every Mac I set-up for novice users there's a series of things I change
> > - one of which is to turn off the right-click button. They won't use
> > its or need it, and it simply confuses people (as you said).
> 
> I think that that is one of dumbest things I've ever heard. The first 
> time I plugged a two-button mouse into a Mac, the first thing I did was 
> right-click with it. You shouldn't need two hands to bring up a 
> contextual menu.

You surely have heard dumber. If someone is confused about which 
button to press, it's not crazy to eliminate the whole problem and 
teach them a quite different action for context menus. (I was always 
happy to press the control key when I had a one button Apple mouse).

Now, of course, I have no trouble with a two-button mice because I 
hold it with two hands. I have three altogether and can acquire more 
as needed).

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#82910

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-10-10 09:23 -0400
Message-ID	<56191166$0$19755$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#82906

In article <do_ray_me-094741.17045710102015@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Now, of course, I have no trouble with a two-button mice because I 
> hold it with two hands. I have three altogether and can acquire more 
> as needed).

Heh. I have my mouse positioned so that I can hit the "Enter" (no, not 
the "Return") key with my thumb. Almost like adding another button to 
the mouse.
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#82511

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-08 09:06 -0700
Message-ID	<D23BE2AB.5F7CE%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82488

On 10/7/15, 10:16 PM, in article 081020151816395444%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <D23B15BE.5F71F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/7/15, 6:12 PM, in article 081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com,
>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That doesn't sound ridiculous to me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually sounds pretty cool... though I would want it reversed from the
>>>>>> description. Less likely to accidently repeat that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
>>>>> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
>>>>> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
>>>>> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
>>>>> something different.   :-\
>>>> 
>>>> How much experience do you have with the new "3D Touch" devices?
>>> 
>>> How is pushing something harder not counter-intuitive?? Do you push the
>>> light switch harder to make the lights go brighter or even change
>>> colour?? Does chewing a piece of cheese harder suddenly turn it into a
>>> doughnut??
>> 
>> Do you open a file to get to a window?
>> Do you move a mouse and to point to a file?
>> Do you touch a sheet of paper once to select it and twice to open it?
>> Do you press space to get a quick look at something?
>> 
>> If you take these things too literally they make NO sense at all. You have
>> to accept that the main goal is to use the technology to make an experience
>> as "clean" and easy to use as you can.
>> 
>> Pressing a bit harder is sort of like Quick Look or a contextual menu...
>> whichever makes more sense. Pressing harder again is like double clicking.
>> It makes a lot of sense to me though I admit I have no personal experience
>> with it. 
> 
> But it's not intuitive. No novice user is ever going to try pressing
> the screen or trackpad harder.

Bring someone brand new to computers and hand them a mouse. Not intuitive...
until you use it for a few minutes. Then most "get it". I suspect this is
much the same. And you do not have to use it if you do not want.

> Just like the ridiculous mutli-finger
> gestures, you have to be taught about them and remember them, which
> completely defeats the entire purpose of Apple's original user
> guidelines (which of course these days they've completely changed
> anyway).
> 
> The added stupidity of "Force Touch" is that it functions differently
> in different places / applications ... and sometimes not at all (which
> could lead to many broken sensors).



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#82477

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-10-07 23:00 -0400
Message-ID	<071020152300546915%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#82459

In article <081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > > "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
> > > counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
> > > different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
> > > by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
> > > something different.   :-\
> > 
> > How much experience do you have with the new "3D Touch" devices?
> 
> How is pushing something harder not counter-intuitive?? Do you push the
> light switch harder to make the lights go brighter or even change
> colour?? Does chewing a piece of cheese harder suddenly turn it into a
> doughnut??

cars go faster with more pressure on the accelerator pedal.
cars slow down more quickly with more pressure on the brake pedal.
paint brushes paint wider lines with more pressure on the brush.

force touch is not only very intuitive, but *very* useful.

> Mind you, some morons do continually push the elevator buttons or
> traffic light pedestrian crossing buttons harder expecting them to
> function faster.  :-\

that must be you.

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#82483

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-07 21:01 -0700
Message-ID	<D23B38B4.5F74D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82477

On 10/7/15, 8:00 PM, in article 071020152300546915%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <081020151412288126%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
>>>> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
>>>> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
>>>> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
>>>> something different.   :-\
>>> 
>>> How much experience do you have with the new "3D Touch" devices?
>> 
>> How is pushing something harder not counter-intuitive?? Do you push the
>> light switch harder to make the lights go brighter or even change
>> colour?? Does chewing a piece of cheese harder suddenly turn it into a
>> doughnut??
> 
> cars go faster with more pressure on the accelerator pedal.
> cars slow down more quickly with more pressure on the brake pedal.
> paint brushes paint wider lines with more pressure on the brush.
> 
> force touch is not only very intuitive, but *very* useful.

Have not used it, but seems that way to me, too.

>> Mind you, some morons do continually push the elevator buttons or
>> traffic light pedestrian crossing buttons harder expecting them to
>> function faster.  :-\
> 
> that must be you.



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#82475

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-10-07 23:00 -0400
Message-ID	<071020152300536821%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#82443

In article <081020151328490976%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
> something different.   :-\

complete nonsense. force touch is *great*. 

the name could be better though.

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#82484

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date	2015-10-07 21:02 -0700
Message-ID	<D23B38F5.5F74F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to	#82475

On 10/7/15, 8:00 PM, in article 071020152300536821%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <081020151328490976%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> "Force Touch" is a ridiculous invention ... not only is it
>> counter-intuitive (why would you push something harder and expect a
>> different result??) it now encourages kids and numbnuts to break things
>> by going around pushing things harder to try and get them to do
>> something different.   :-\
> 
> complete nonsense. force touch is *great*.
> 
> the name could be better though.

Apple calls it 3D Touch: <http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/3d-touch/>


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