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  A Programmer's Busy Week Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-26 11:32 -0500
    Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-26 12:26 -0700
      Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-01-26 19:29 +0000
        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-26 13:25 -0700
      Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-26 14:44 -0500
        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-26 13:25 -0700
          Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-26 13:23 -0800
        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-27 00:52 +0000
          Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-28 12:06 -0500
            Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-28 17:54 +0000
              Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-28 10:34 -0800
                Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-28 19:12 +0000
                  Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-28 15:48 -0800
                    Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-29 00:01 +0000
                      Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-29 00:03 +0000
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-28 17:30 -0700
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-28 19:19 -0800
                          Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-29 05:03 +0000
                            Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-29 08:14 -0800
                          Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-29 10:43 +0100
                            Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-29 08:12 -0800
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-29 10:37 +0100
                          Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-29 08:12 -0800
                      Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-29 10:36 +0100
                Re: A Programmer's Busy Week George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-28 13:17 -0600
                  Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-28 15:46 -0800
                Re: A Programmer's Busy Week "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-28 22:11 +0000
                  Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-28 15:46 -0800
                  Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-29 10:53 -0500
                    Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-29 08:10 -0800
                      Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jim Glidewell <jim_glidewell@yahoo.com> - 2013-02-02 03:27 +0000
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-02-01 19:48 -0800
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:46 -0500
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-02-02 10:58 -0600
                    Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-29 12:12 -0700
                      Re: A Programmer's Busy Week "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2013-01-29 15:49 -0500
                        Re: A Programmer's Busy Week Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-30 02:08 +0000

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#39122

In article <nospam-63E618.10433029012013@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-A47303.19194328012013@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > ...one of these days I swear I am going to make time to set up 
> > command-line news access on my home server...
> 
> It's extremely handy where you find yourself working behind someone 
> else's firewall, and you can't get at the news server ports, but can ssh 
> out.
> 
> Tip from learning the hard way: set it up before you need it. :-)

Good tip there. 

I hope I heed your advice before it's too late for me. : )

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#39113

In article <slrnkge4e2.1k6l.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <slrnkge4aq.1k6l.g.kreme@ananke.local> 
>   Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > In message <jollyroger-A9B8A0.15480228012013@news.individual.net>
> >   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >>> --
> >>> "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
> >>> Thomas Edison
> 
> >> BTW, your sig dash line is missing the trailing space (see above).
> 
> > It's very odd. It's *always* there, but for some reason it seems to get
> > eaten from time to time.
> 
> > --
> 
> Hrm. I checked. It was there.
> 
> Ah. BBEdit's "Strip trailing spaces" appears to have gotten enabled.
> Hopefully this fixes it.

Fixed.

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#39123

In article <nospam-7F5131.10370629012013@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> In article <slrnkge4e2.1k6l.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <slrnkge4aq.1k6l.g.kreme@ananke.local> 
> >   Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > > In message <jollyroger-A9B8A0.15480228012013@news.individual.net>
> > >   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >>> --
> > >>> "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
> > >>> Thomas Edison
> > 
> > >> BTW, your sig dash line is missing the trailing space (see above).
> > 
> > > It's very odd. It's *always* there, but for some reason it seems to get
> > > eaten from time to time.
> > 
> > > --
> > 
> > Hrm. I checked. It was there.
> > 
> > Ah. BBEdit's "Strip trailing spaces" appears to have gotten enabled.
> > Hopefully this fixes it.
> 
> Fixed.

BBEdit - the signature gobbling editor.  : )

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#39112

In article <slrnkge4aq.1k6l.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-A9B8A0.15480228012013@news.individual.net>
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >> --
> >> "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
> >> Thomas Edison
> 
> > BTW, your sig dash line is missing the trailing space (see above).
> 
> It's very odd. It's *always* there, but for some reason it seems to get
> eaten from time to time.
> 
> --
> People who would not believe a High Priest if he said the sky was blue,
> and was able to produce signed affidavits to this effect from his
> white-haired old mother and three Vestal virgins, would trust just about
> anything whispered darkly behind their hand by a complete stranger.

It's not there in this post.

Do you have multiple sig files and sometimes you pick up the wrong one?

Or is whatever you are using for sig quote generation eating it?

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#39084

On 1/28/13 12:34 PM, in article
jollyroger-01B265.10343928012013@news.individual.net, "Jolly Roger"
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>> In message <fmoore-E076E2.12062528012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>
>>   Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>> In article <slrnkg8uij.2i93.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
>>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>>>> In message <fmoore-6B3990.14443326012013@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>   Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>>>> In article <michelle-0EDD7A.12265326012013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <fmoore-2C9A0F.11320726012013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <http://www.dilbert.com/2013-01-26/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are they hex ones and zeros or ASCII ones and zeroes?
>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, yes, Mark Conrad, RIP.
>>>> 
>>>>> However, that presents an interesting question:  In his eternal sleep,
>>>>> is Mark counting sheep in hex or ASCII?   :-D
>>>> 
>>>> Did he die?
>> 
>>> Well, he quit posting a year or two ago. At the time, we wondered what
>>> had happened to him.
>> 
>> I knew that.
>> 
>>> Someone searched and found an obituary for a person
>>> we thought was him. I did find his reviews of Dragon Naturally Speaking
>>> useful.
>> 
>> I did *not* know that.
> 
> I remember it, but haven't been able to find the post.
> 

I thought that was a post about J. J. O'shea. Turned out it was another
O'shea in a different part of Florida where that Obit originated.

>> He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
>> stuff in his DNS postings.
> 
> He was just really thick headed at times, as old people are from time to
> time. : )

They ain't ALWAYS "OLD", BTW!

;-0

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#39092

In article <CD2C2ADA.97026%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/28/13 12:34 PM, in article
> jollyroger-01B265.10343928012013@news.individual.net, "Jolly Roger"
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> >> In message <fmoore-E076E2.12062528012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>
> >>   Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> >>> In article <slrnkg8uij.2i93.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
> >>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> In message <fmoore-6B3990.14443326012013@news.eternal-september.org>
> >>>>   Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> >>>>> In article <michelle-0EDD7A.12265326012013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>>>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>>> In article <fmoore-2C9A0F.11320726012013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>>>>  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> <http://www.dilbert.com/2013-01-26/>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Are they hex ones and zeros or ASCII ones and zeroes?
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Ah, yes, Mark Conrad, RIP.
> >>>> 
> >>>>> However, that presents an interesting question:  In his eternal sleep,
> >>>>> is Mark counting sheep in hex or ASCII?   :-D
> >>>> 
> >>>> Did he die?
> >> 
> >>> Well, he quit posting a year or two ago. At the time, we wondered what
> >>> had happened to him.
> >> 
> >> I knew that.
> >> 
> >>> Someone searched and found an obituary for a person
> >>> we thought was him. I did find his reviews of Dragon Naturally Speaking
> >>> useful.
> >> 
> >> I did *not* know that.
> > 
> > I remember it, but haven't been able to find the post.
> > 
> 
> I thought that was a post about J. J. O'shea. Turned out it was another
> O'shea in a different part of Florida where that Obit originated.
> 
> >> He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
> >> stuff in his DNS postings.
> > 
> > He was just really thick headed at times, as old people are from time to
> > time. : )
> 
> They ain't ALWAYS "OLD", BTW!
> 
> ;-0

True that. I'm guilty myself. : )

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#39086

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
> > stuff in his DNS postings.

A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
 
> He was just really thick headed at times, as old people are from time to time.
 
I beg your pardon! Speak for yourself.

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#39091

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kORBDnINVydG@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> > > He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
> > > stuff in his DNS postings.
> 
> A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
>  
> > He was just really thick headed at times, as old people are from time to 
> > time.
>  
> I beg your pardon! Speak for yourself.

I'm not sure, but I suspect you're just being thick headed. ; D

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#39119

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kORBDnINVydG@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> > > He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
> > > stuff in his DNS postings.
> 
> A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.

I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!

-- 
What the flux?   --Carl Friedrich Gauss

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#39121

In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kORBDnINVydG@localhost>,
>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
> > >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
> > > > stuff in his DNS postings.
> > 
> > A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
> 
> I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!

I hate to admit it, but I miss the guy, pain in the ass that he was...  
: )

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#39278

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
>  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kORBDnINVydG@localhost>,
>>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
>>>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
>>>>> stuff in his DNS postings.
>>> 
>>> A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
>> 
>> I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!
> 
> I hate to admit it, but I miss the guy, pain in the ass that he was...  
>> )

Not me. Mark Conrad was the only person on Usenet to ever call me an
asshole.

IMO, the world is a better place with him rotting in the ground.

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#39279

In article 
<2105601398381467061.545217jim_glidewell-yahoo.com@news.eternal-septembe
r.org>,
 Jim Glidewell <jim_glidewell@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kORBDnINVydG@localhost>,
> >>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
> >>>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
> >>>>> stuff in his DNS postings.
> >>> 
> >>> A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
> >> 
> >> I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!
> > 
> > I hate to admit it, but I miss the guy, pain in the ass that he was...  
> >> )
> 
> Not me. Mark Conrad was the only person on Usenet to ever call me an
> asshole.
> 
> IMO, the world is a better place with him rotting in the ground.

Sounds like you need a sense of humor. Like it or not, bing an asshole 
is part of being human. You don't get to deny that you are one - it's a 
fundamental part of you.

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#39286

On 02-01-2013 22:27, Jim Glidewell wrote:
> Not me. Mark Conrad was the only person on Usenet to ever call me an
> asshole.

Only one?  You must have some powerful mojo.

> IMO, the world is a better place with him rotting in the ground.

As silly as he could be, he was still a human being.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “To know what you prefer, instead of humbly saying
    Amen to what the world tells you you should prefer,
    is to have kept your soul alive.”
                          — Robert Louis Stevenson

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#39301

On 2/1/13 9:27 PM, in article
2105601398381467061.545217jim_glidewell-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org
, "Jim Glidewell" <jim_glidewell@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
>>  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kORBDnINVydG@localhost>,
>>>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:34:39 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <slrnkgdeq5.1s7.g.kreme@ananke.local>,
>>>>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> He was a complete pain in the ass, but yeah, there was some usueful
>>>>>> stuff in his DNS postings.
>>>> 
>>>> A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
>>> 
>>> I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!
>> 
>> I hate to admit it, but I miss the guy, pain in the ass that he was...
>>> )
> 
> Not me. Mark Conrad was the only person on Usenet to ever call me an
> asshole.
> 

So, YOU'RE the ONE!   ;-)

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#39131

In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> > A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
> 
> I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!

All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#39139

In article <michelle-30613D.12120129012013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
>  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> 
> > > A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
> > 
> > I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!
> 
> All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

Thank you Napoleon.
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#39145

In message <tkettler-92CA0A.15492729012013@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Thomas R. Kettler <tkettler@blownfuse.net> wrote:
> In article <michelle-30613D.12120129012013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>> In article <fmoore-8979F3.10532629012013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
>>  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > > A news group needs a few quirky characters to keep it interesting.
>> > 
>> > I thought that was a prerequisite for admission to these hallowed halls!
>> 
>> All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

> Thank you Napoleon.

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