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| Started by | Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> |
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| First post | 2013-01-14 12:17 -0500 |
| Last post | 2013-02-28 09:42 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 149 — 26 participants |
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Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-14 12:17 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-14 09:57 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-15 00:23 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-15 08:53 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-15 07:10 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Rollo" <rogerl@gmail.com> - 2013-02-28 09:39 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-16 09:54 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-16 10:54 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-16 13:48 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-16 20:25 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-17 09:24 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-16 16:59 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2013-01-17 15:26 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-17 14:14 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-17 15:19 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-17 14:29 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2013-01-17 17:36 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-17 18:13 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:14 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-18 23:33 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-17 17:37 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-02-27 23:24 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-18 12:49 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-18 10:59 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2013-01-18 13:36 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-19 19:56 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-18 03:33 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:23 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-17 18:12 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-17 17:38 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-17 16:56 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-17 18:06 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:30 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-19 09:34 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-19 08:15 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 10:21 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 11:08 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 14:36 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 15:11 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 18:56 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-20 18:33 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-20 22:52 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-21 08:33 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-21 11:59 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-21 22:51 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-20 19:59 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 23:08 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-18 12:43 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-19 09:36 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:26 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 10:39 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 11:05 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 13:22 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-18 10:38 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-18 14:11 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-19 19:53 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-19 11:19 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-20 09:27 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-03-04 21:51 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-03-05 18:55 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-03-05 15:20 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 14:34 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-18 17:25 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 18:59 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-18 18:01 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-18 20:33 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-18 19:02 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-19 10:09 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-19 19:44 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-19 19:00 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-19 23:29 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 10:23 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 10:57 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-20 22:58 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 23:10 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-21 22:43 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-21 22:53 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-21 21:04 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-22 13:32 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:31 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-23 13:32 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 13:28 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2013-01-23 01:18 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-23 07:34 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:33 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 12:30 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-23 16:16 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 15:16 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-23 19:06 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-23 16:17 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 13:39 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-24 16:13 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-24 08:26 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-01-23 23:55 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 17:01 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-01-24 01:32 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 18:29 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-23 20:01 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 09:53 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-24 11:56 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-24 16:00 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-24 14:15 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 12:20 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-24 16:57 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-24 18:02 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-24 16:57 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-24 19:18 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-24 19:08 -0600
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-24 18:43 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 16:36 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2013-01-25 12:00 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-25 08:02 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-24 18:16 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-26 21:01 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 17:19 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-28 18:16 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-28 19:22 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-30 23:00 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 23:13 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2013-01-23 17:51 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 13:40 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-22 23:40 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:34 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-22 18:10 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-22 23:31 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-23 08:05 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:26 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-23 22:51 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-01-23 23:06 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 21:37 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-24 05:59 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-03-04 21:55 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-18 15:54 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-18 17:20 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-21 22:48 +0000
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-23 22:44 +0100
Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-23 20:05 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-23 21:23 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-14 13:36 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-15 11:09 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-01-14 21:24 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-02-27 23:20 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-02-27 23:29 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-03-01 11:47 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-03-01 11:47 -0700
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-03-01 14:49 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-03-01 13:02 -0800
Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-03-01 16:23 -0500
Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Rollo" <rogerl@gmail.com> - 2013-02-28 09:42 -0500
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| From | Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2013-03-05 15:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tom_stiller-577BF4.15200905032013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #40463 |
In article <proto-7B5986.21514304032013@news.panix.com>, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote: > In article <1kwxz2r.18l2l3l1jjaq16N%nospam@see.signature>, > nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote: > > > Purdue, where I went to undergrad school, had real requirements for > > out-of-state students, but they were a land grant (or some such thing - > > I forget the details) school, which pretty much meant that the in-state > > admission requirements were trivial. They kept quality up by just > > quickly flunking out a lot of the people who didn't really belong there > > in the first place. Seemed bit of a waste, really. > > They got a shot; some people who high school record look dubious at > best knuckle down and do well. Some schools will let them try again > later when they decide they are serious. Right. I quit high school in my senior year and joined the Air Force. After my discharge, I applied to Purdue and was admitted on scholastic probation and required to take some remedial math courses. After my engineering freshman year I was accepted into the School of Engineering Sciences where I completed my undergraduate degree with Highest Distinction. -- PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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| From | Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2013-01-18 14:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kYOdnX6Q7f5IPmTNnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #38637 |
In article <tom_stiller-4BBB77.13224018012013@news.individual.net>, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote: > In article <0pSdndYmIL9d72TNnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, > Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > In article <tom_stiller-8D59DB.10395918012013@news.individual.net>, > > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > to detect bullshit and have a right to vote their choice. As for > > > disallowing access to a university because of a test score produces a > > > self-fulfilling prophecy. > > > > I haven't been in college for awhile and my kids are long out of that > > too, but isn't that EXACTLY what happens when they use the SAT or ACT > > for admissions? > > When I applied for admission to a public university, after my discharge > from the Air Force, I had to take a placement test to determine if and > what remedial courses might be necessary, but there was no hint that I > could be refused admission. The that has changed. When my kids went in the early 90s, the SAT was required at Indiana University. Grades and bunch of other things were included, but the SAT was an important part. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-01-18 17:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MM-dnXRFSPZtVmTNnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #38625 |
On 2013.01.18 10:39 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> I can't agree with an exam to vote or attend a public university.
> Whether they choose to use it or not, humans have an instinctive ability
> to detect bullshit and have a right to vote their choice. As for
> disallowing access to a university because of a test score produces a
> self-fulfilling prophecy.
So one who does not understand taxation, budgeting and government debt
should be allowed to cast a vote for a government that spends like crazy
and does not tax enough to pay for it all?
(eg: California "propositions" that force the government to spend more
without forcing the taxpayers to pay for it).
Point taken on university admissions - to a degree.
(IMO universities admit too many students. It's profitable).
--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
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| From | Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2013-01-18 18:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tom_stiller-453DCF.18593618012013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #38654 |
In article <MM-dnXRFSPZtVmTNnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2013.01.18 10:39 , Tom Stiller wrote: > > > I can't agree with an exam to vote or attend a public university. > > Whether they choose to use it or not, humans have an instinctive ability > > to detect bullshit and have a right to vote their choice. As for > > disallowing access to a university because of a test score produces a > > self-fulfilling prophecy. > > So one who does not understand taxation, budgeting and government debt > should be allowed to cast a vote for a government that spends like crazy > and does not tax enough to pay for it all? > > (eg: California "propositions" that force the government to spend more > without forcing the taxpayers to pay for it). Yup! They have as much right to vote for their representation as anyone else, including those who think they understand taxation, budgeting and government debt. > > Point taken on university admissions - to a degree. > > (IMO universities admit too many students. It's profitable). -- PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-01-18 18:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-E11C81.18013718012013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #38654 |
In article <MM-dnXRFSPZtVmTNnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > Point taken on university admissions - to a degree. Bad pun, bad pun. -- Ignore this sig.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-01-18 20:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <382dnWnR0fJLamTNnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #38661 |
On 2013.01.18 20:01 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <MM-dnXRFSPZtVmTNnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Point taken on university admissions - to a degree.
>
> Bad pun, bad pun.
Unintended, but you have to admit....
(Now _there's_ a bad pun).
--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-01-18 19:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-9404F5.19024718012013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #38663 |
In article <382dnWnR0fJLamTNnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> Point taken on university admissions - to a degree. > > > > Bad pun, bad pun. > > Unintended, but you have to admit.... > > (Now _there's_ a bad pun). I'll give you an A- on that. (3.5 GP) -- Ignore this sig.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-01-19 10:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <WKKdncxjXO_eKmfNnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #38664 |
On 2013.01.18 21:02 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <382dnWnR0fJLamTNnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> Point taken on university admissions - to a degree.
>>>
>>> Bad pun, bad pun.
>>
>> Unintended, but you have to admit....
>>
>> (Now _there's_ a bad pun).
>
> I'll give you an A- on that. (3.5 GP)
>
Imagine my joy...
--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-01-19 19:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nospam-6D65B3.19445819012013@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #38654 |
In article <MM-dnXRFSPZtVmTNnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > (IMO universities admit too many students. It's profitable). That seems to be true in the UK in recent years. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-01-19 19:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013011919000036483-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #38654 |
On 2013-01-18 22:25:49 +0000, Alan Browne said: > So one who does not understand taxation, budgeting and government debt > should be allowed to cast a vote for a government that spends like > crazy and does not tax enough to pay for it all? They should be allowed to cast a vote for a government--you can never be sure what the government will or will not do. And politicians do their best to disseminate consistently erroneous problems and solutions. And still we have the right to vote. I think that beats measuring up to *that same governement* plan to "validate" a users qualifications before allowing them to vote. Or should we vote on that too? -- -- Beware the delicate, tiny, very talented celebrity starlets.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-01-19 23:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <50fb72b6$0$39101$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #38708 |
>> So one who does not understand taxation, budgeting and government debt >> should be allowed to cast a vote for a government that spends like >> crazy and does not tax enough to pay for it all? It isn't a question of testing citizens before they are allowed to vote. It is a question of ensuring the education system teaches teenagers about how government REALLY works so that they can make educated decisions by the time they turn 18. When I got involved fighting throttling and UBB at the canadian CRTC, this also brought me to testify in front of the govt industry committee and discuss with various opposition politicans and their aides and I learned more during this period than I ever learned in the many years including education years. This has made me realise how little people know about how government really works.
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-01-20 10:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <CD21763D.96A02%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #38709 |
On 1/19/13 10:29 PM, in article 50fb72b6$0$39101$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >>> So one who does not understand taxation, budgeting and government debt >>> should be allowed to cast a vote for a government that spends like >>> crazy and does not tax enough to pay for it all? > > It isn't a question of testing citizens before they are allowed to vote. > It is a question of ensuring the education system teaches teenagers > about how government REALLY works so that they can make educated > decisions by the time they turn 18. > Hear-hear! SING IT!
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| From | Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-01-20 10:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013012010573081737-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #38725 |
On 2013-01-20 16:23:57 +0000, George Kerby said: > On 1/19/13 10:29 PM, in article > 50fb72b6$0$39101$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei" > <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> >>>> So one who does not understand taxation, budgeting and government debt >>>> should be allowed to cast a vote for a government that spends like >>>> crazy and does not tax enough to pay for it all? >> >> It isn't a question of testing citizens before they are allowed to vote. >> It is a question of ensuring the education system teaches teenagers >> about how government REALLY works so that they can make educated >> decisions by the time they turn 18. >> > > Hear-hear! SING IT! Except that "how government REALLY works" changes every year, and many times during the year it is manipulated by elected officials for their own ends. Note the hard work rewriting voting laws and the passage of ALEC bills like the "stand your ground" gun marketing laws. The "education system", whatever that may be, is incapable of countering the "mis-education system" of agitprop disseminated by faux news on TV and radio 24 hours a day. Considering that "common sense" class that would teach teenagers about how government REALLY works, I would point out the "common sense" jihad the Texas schoolboard went through to rewrite American history books to more closely conform to this year's Republican ideology. In the new rewrite, Thomas Jefferson, not quite Christian enough for Neo-Christianist history, has been relegated to secondary status among the "founding fathers". So the simplistic idea of education teens about the very real mechanics of power in 2013 seems a vastly more difficult job. Sloganeering as education versus sloganeering as entertainment--it's tough to separate. -- -- Beware the delicate, tiny, very talented celebrity starlets.
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-01-20 22:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kdiedv$pb1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #38728 |
On 01-20-2013 13:57, Juan Anonly wrote: > In the new rewrite, Thomas Jefferson, not quite Christian enough for > Neo-Christianist history, has been relegated to secondary status among > the "founding fathers". When I knew less, I respected Jefferson. I wasn't greatly bothered by him not being Christian. I still respect his many accomplishemnts, but pretending to be a Christian to some people and being plainly NOT for other people, along with a few other hypocrisies, makes him seem like just one more scheming politician. -- Wes Groleau Why does everyone call it a “fanny pack" ? When was the last time you saw one on a fanny?
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-01-20 23:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013012023104438342-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #38744 |
On 2013-01-21 03:58:54 +0000, Wes Groleau said: > On 01-20-2013 13:57, Juan Anonly wrote: >> In the new rewrite, Thomas Jefferson, not quite Christian enough for >> Neo-Christianist history, has been relegated to secondary status among >> the "founding fathers". > > When I knew less, I respected Jefferson. I wasn't greatly bothered by > him not being Christian. He was a Christian, he just wasn't a Southern Baptist Republican Christianist.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2013-01-21 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-y6kyj3VcNscY@localhost> |
| In reply to | #38750 |
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:10:44 UTC, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2013-01-21 03:58:54 +0000, Wes Groleau said: > > > On 01-20-2013 13:57, Juan Anonly wrote: > >> In the new rewrite, Thomas Jefferson, not quite Christian enough for > >> Neo-Christianist history, has been relegated to secondary status among > >> the "founding fathers". > > > > When I knew less, I respected Jefferson. I wasn't greatly bothered by > > him not being Christian. > > He was a Christian, he just wasn't a Southern Baptist Republican Christianist. For some values of Christian. -- John Varela
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-01-21 22:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kdl2ga$cqj$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #38750 |
On 01-21-2013 02:10, gtr wrote:
> He was a Christian, he just wasn't a Southern Baptist Republican
> Christianist.
If you read his writings selectively, you can make him a Christian or an
atheist. I think he was a chameleon.
--
Wes Groleau
If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage.
But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine,
is somehow ennobled and none dare criticize it.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-01-21 21:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013012121045975186-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #38759 |
On 2013-01-22 03:53:46 +0000, Wes Groleau said: > On 01-21-2013 02:10, gtr wrote: > > He was a Christian, he just wasn't a Southern Baptist Republican >> Christianist. > > If you read his writings selectively, you can make him a Christian or > an atheist. I think he was a chameleon. If you vascillate between Christianity and not, you're a "chamelon". Why would an athetist go to the trouble to edit a bible down to just the word's Christ purportedly said, I wonder.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-01-22 13:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <50fedb59$0$63312$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #38760 |
On 13-01-22 00:04, gtr wrote: > Why would an athetist go to the trouble to edit a bible down to just > the word's Christ purportedly said, I wonder. In the old testament, you have the words of god and then a whole bunch of fluff around that. Much of that fluff is really about hygiene (kosher cooking rules to increase average lifetime without refrigiration in an area without much water). Another edict is that one has to kill someone whose had sex with an animal. This makes sense in that it greatly reduces the chance of a deadly virus being transmitted from animals to humans. However, those lifestyle edicts in the bible have nothing to do with religion, they have to do with educating people of the middle east on how to increase chances of survival and success of the species in those days. Those are akin to day's government public service ads about sneezing into your arms instead of hands, or wearing condoms when you have sex. Similarly, in new testament, you have what jesus said, and then you have the fluff that came out of his entourage (some camm them the apostles). jesus didn't really change the core of the jewish religion. He just re-affirmed it. The apostles changed much fo the fluff around it (such as eating restrictions) when they wanted to expand beyond the middle east and try to convert romans, greeks etc who lived in a different weather, had more available water etc etc. So in a way, it does make sense to remove all the lifestyle fluff form the bibles to retain only what god/jesus said. The lifestyle stuff has to adapt to different regions of the world and evolve with technology. With refrigiration, eating pork is no longer considered dangerous.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-01-23 09:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013012309314755634-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #38771 |
On 2013-01-22 18:32:56 +0000, JF Mezei said: > Similarly, in new testament, you have what jesus said, and then you have > the fluff that came out of his entourage (some camm them the apostles). More accurately, you have what his entourage reports that he said, and their "fluff". We have no reportage of his sayings other than second hand. > jesus didn't really change the core of the jewish religion. He just > re-affirmed it. The apostles changed much fo the fluff around it (such > as eating restrictions) when they wanted to expand beyond the middle > east and try to convert romans, greeks etc who lived in a different > weather, had more available water etc etc. I'm not aware of them actually *changing* old-testament fluff in the new testament. Do they lift restrictions on shell-fish and pork somewhere? > So in a way, it does make sense to remove all the lifestyle fluff form > the bibles to retain only what god/jesus said. The lifestyle stuff has > to adapt to different regions of the world and evolve with technology. > With refrigiration, eating pork is no longer considered dangerous. I think it makes sense to glean from the famous ancient tomes anything of value to you, and then use selectively it to beat heathens/pagans over the head with. I think it makes the same "sense" as any other political tool.
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