Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.misc, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models
Date	2024-03-05 16:18 -0800
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2024-03-05 14:48, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-03-05 16:51, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-03-05 12:02, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-05 12:48, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Mar 5, 2024 at 9:12:45 AM EST, "Alan Browne" 
>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-04 19:15, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less
>>>>>> differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Apple Announces New MacBook Air Models With M3 Chip
>>>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/04/apple-announces-m3-macbook-air/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Apple Quietly Releases New M3 MacBook Air Lineup
>>>>>> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-quietly-releases-new-m3-macbook-air-lineup/209627/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the options and memory (RAM and storage) for the real story.
>>>>
>>>> The "real story" being that the Air is the low end MacBook.  Not 
>>>> everyone
>>>> needs a $4000 laptop.
>>>>
>>>>> The low end version of this has 8GB of RAM.  Wholly inadequate.
>>>>> 512 GB of SSD.  Barely adequate.
>>>>
>>>> For you perhaps. More than adequate for most people. Again, this is 
>>>> the low
>>>> end MacBook.
>>>>
>>>>> 16 GB is barely adequate and 24 GB is the most you can get.  And
>>>>> compared to commodity value of memory (even of this level), it's 
>>>>> grossly
>>>>> expensive.  Worse for SSD.
>>>>
>>>> Except that Arm Macs don't use commodity anything. The 
>>>> RAM/CPUs/GPUs/NPUs/SSD
>>>> are all custom and integrated onto a single chip.  So the 
>>>> performance beats
>>>
>>> The RAM is not integrated onto the chip.  It is soldered onto the 
>>> chip carrier.  It is commodity LPDDR5 memory from a memory supplier.  
>>> In the case of my M3 iMac, the supplier is Micron[1].
>>>
>>> Indeed some people have changed the RAM on their Apple Silicon Macs 
>>> by heating up the RAM carriers and putting in larger RAM of the same 
>>> kind. (This requires a lot of skill and the proper solder masks to 
>>> carry off).
>>>
>>> The SSDs are completely separate chip carriers soldered to the 
>>> motherboard.
>>>
>>> RAM performance is better due to it being directly mapped to the 
>>> various IO functions, as such many operations need only pass a 
>>> pointer to a memory block for output or input rather than shuffle 
>>> blocks of data between device and system memory (or v-v).  This 
>>> accounts for a large amount of performance gain.
>>>
>>> However, when I work I always have the same basic list of apps loaded 
>>> at all times.  With the i7 iMac it uses less memory than the M3 iMac 
>>> at any given time (on the order of 2 GB more).
>>>
>>> [1] From System Information | Memory:
>>>    Memory:    24 GB
>>>    Type:    LPDDR5
>>>    Manufacturer:    Micron
>>>
>>
>> 1. Do they have the same amount of RAM?
> 
> Yep.  24GB.
>>
>> 2. Do they run the same version of macOS?
> 
> Nope.  The i7 is a few versions back.  Can't go further.   I see where 
> you're going with that but it would not account for 1 .. 2 GB of RAM.
> 

It very well could.

> That said, the claim with Apple Silicon was that you didn't need near as 
> much memory.  That is BS.

So post the screenshots.

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  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 09:12 -0500
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