Re: Calendar spam!

From	Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Calendar spam!
Date	2016-11-28 12:36 -0800
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On 2016-11-28 11:02 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> No. The burden is on you the moment you claim you have PROOF.
>
> And I have met that burden.  I have demonstrated that I use a
> “fingerprint” level of traceability and not a “lie detector” level.
> The *exact* email I used is not important, and you even asking for it
> shows you really don’t understand how to handle evidence.

No. That is not proof. That is preponderance of evidence, but not proof.

>
>> That's what you call something that cannot possibly be stumbled upon?
>>
>> "droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com"
>
> No, that was *not* my claim.  My claim is that *even in the case of a
> published email address*, I use unique ones that identify their origin.
> My claim is that, not only have spammers specifically *not* “stumbled
> upon” or generated any variations of that address, they really haven’t
> even scanned it *directly* from Usenet messages!  My claim is that just
> because you or a spammer can see an email address and *imagine*
> variations it could take, you’re not actually going to be *doing*
> anything of the sort because the *actual* combinations you’d have to
> test is intractable.  And that’s also why live dictionary attacks
> (outside of high-value targets like iCloud.com) generally just aren’t
> worth it; you’d be blocked between the time you tried aaron@ and adam@.

"Intractable" doesn't mean "impossible".


>
> I use *many* different schemes for generating disposable email
> addresses, and private ones are specially catered to the level of trust
> that I have with the other party.  And on top of that I monitor *any
> and all* traffic that comes to my mail server.  I get more open relay
> scans than I get spam from published emails.

Whatever. What you cannot show is that a spammer just didn't get lucky.

The chances of winning the lottery are small... ...but that doesn't mean 
that the fix is in each time someone DOES win.

>
> Whatever outdated notion of spam you have in your head, you need to
> correct it based on actual evidence.  It is people like me who use
> special techniques that can provide details on the practices that
> spammers use to obtain email addresses these days.  You only make a
> fool of yourself when you continue to insist you understand something,
> but clearly have nothing insightful to offer.

Yes. You're a security GOD!

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