Re: Big Sur in a VM

From	Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: Big Sur in a VM
Date	2020-11-27 06:08 +0000
Message-ID	<i2bje2Fq0utU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	<rpoq65$t0e$1@dont-email.me> <i2aoliF5vm1U4@mid.individual.net> <rppjsr$102u$1@gioia.aioe.org>

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On 26-Nov-2020 at 5:14:06PM PST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2020-11-26 22:31:14 +0000, Tim said:
>>  On 26 Nov 2020 at 18:44:34 GMT, Panthera Tigris <northerntiger@outlook.com>
>>  wrote:
>>>  On 26/11/20 13:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>  In article <rpoq65$t0e$1@dont-email.me>, Panthera Tigris
>>>>  <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>  I may attempt to run Big Sur in a VM on an Intel system, probably VMWare
>>>>>  on a Windows machine or Parallels on a Mac. In both cases, older
>>>>>  hardware, quad-core i5 or i7, 16 to 24 GB installed RAM, an SSD
>>>>>  replacing the HDD which shipped with the machine. Does anyone know if
>>>>>  this is even possible, or if Apple has put roadblocks, legal, software,
>>>>>  or otherwise in to prevent this? Or if it's even possible, whether or
>>>>>  not Apple tried/didn't try to block it?
>>>>  
>>>>  it should work fine with a mac host. be sure you have the latest
>>>>  version.
>>>  
>>>  Thanks
>>>  
>>>>  Note: Virtual Box need not apply. I have had bad experiences with VB in
>>>>>  the recent past. VB is worth every penny that you pay. Or less than that.
>>>>  
>>>>  yep.
>>>  
>>>  The only reason to use VB is that it's free. However, it's such a pain
>>>  that I, for one, will gladly pay to avoid it.
>>  
>>  I'm using VB 6.1.16 and it's working very well with my 3 VMs. So a little
>> less
>>  bollocks wouldn't go amiss.
> 
> VirtualBox works, but it's not a fully polished product, so it is 
> definitely more difficult to set-up. It has that programmer / hacker 
> "everyone should know what to do" kind of mentality.
> 
> The commercial products from Parallels and VMWare are much easier to 
> set-up, including having things like step-by-step instructions for 
> novices that you can simply mouse-click through.
> 
> The difference is similar to using a computer with obscure DOS typed 
> instructions or just using a mouse and graphical interface. Those who 
> like constantly fiddling and tweaking prefer the first, while those who 
> simply want to get stuff done prefer the second.

I especially found this to be true when using the VM guest Shared Folders on
VMware vs. VirtualBox.  I have a project that I validate multiple versions of
CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Debian. I've yet to get Shared Folders to work on
VirtualBox because the instance kept crashing when I'd try to mount the
VirtualBox Exensions from a minimal install. I haven't tried CentOS 6 or 8 or
any of the other OS'.  VMware Fusion works as expected. All I have to do is
put the instructions on what to do in the README.md.

As a counterpoint, Vagrant, ansible, chef, puppet, and Packer work just fine
with VirtualBox and don't cost anything.
-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...

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Big Sur in a VM Panthera Tigris <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2020-11-26 12:55 -0500
  Re: Big Sur in a VM nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-26 13:08 -0500
    Re: Big Sur in a VM Panthera Tigris <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2020-11-26 13:44 -0500
      Re: Big Sur in a VM ant@zimage.comANT (Gobbling Ant) - 2020-11-26 16:06 -0600
        Re: Big Sur in a VM Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-11-27 09:48 +0000
          Re: Big Sur in a VM Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2020-11-27 10:38 +0000
      Re: Big Sur in a VM Tim <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2020-11-26 22:31 +0000
        Re: Big Sur in a VM ant@zimage.comANT (Gobbling Ant) - 2020-11-26 17:17 -0600
        Re: Big Sur in a VM Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-27 14:14 +1300
          Re: Big Sur in a VM Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2020-11-27 06:08 +0000
        Re: Big Sur in a VM Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-27 10:15 -0500
  Re: Big Sur in a VM Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> - 2020-11-26 13:55 -0500
    Re: Big Sur in a VM nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-26 14:01 -0500
  Re: Big Sur in a VM Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2020-11-27 05:52 -0500
    Re: Big Sur in a VM Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-11-27 14:00 +0000
      Re: Big Sur in a VM nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-27 09:24 -0500

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