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Re: Do you use a password manager?

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
> In article <87r1g3439e.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>, Keith Thompson
> <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Keeping the database synchronized across devices is left as an
>> >> >> >> exercise.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And that means you end up with not having the password you need unless
>> >> >> > you limit your use of the Internet to a single machine.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Not if I replicate the encrypted database across the machines I use.
>> >> >> I understand that that could open a potential security hole if
>> >> >> I'm not sufficiently careful.  But if I *am* sufficiently careful,
>> >> >> my database doesn't exist on anyone else's server.
>> >> >
>> >> > and if you forget to sync it, murphy's law states that you won't have
>> >> > the password you need.
>> >> 
>> >> Of course.  That happens now and then.  The solution is to go back and
>> >> sync it.
>> >
>> > no, the solution is to have it automatically sync.
>> 
>> The solution *I use* is to go back and sync it.  It works.
>
> except when it doesn't, which you admit happens 'now and then'.
>
>> >> > computers are there to do work *for* you.
>> >
>> > ^^this^^
>> >
>> >> I'm not going to go into too much detail about *how* I synchronize my
>> >> password database
>> >
>> > you already said how: you manually sync it. 
>> 
>> There's more to it than that.
>
> those details are irrelevant. the fact is that it's manual which means
> it's a lot of extra work with the opportunity to screw it up.
>
> i suspect whatever system you're using does not properly handle merges.

It does not, and I did run into a problem with that not too long ago.
It took some manual work to resolve it.

>> > automatically syncing means a new or changed entry is available on
>> > other devices within seconds, no additional effort required.
>> 
>> I know what "automatically syncing" means. 
>
> then why not use it?
>
>> You haven't said anything
>> about how to do that.  (I use Ubuntu, Windows, and Android.)
>
> what's to know? choose a password manager that offers automatic sync.
> done.

I've spent *some* time looking into alternatives, but perhaps not
enough.  The password manager I use uses a local file.  Others I've
looked at store data "in the cloud", i.e., on someone else's computer.
I've decided *for myself* that I don't want to store my passwords in the
cloud, and that I'm willing to pay the price of more difficult local
updates.

>> For my situation, I've decided (so far) that automation would be more
>> effort than it's worth *for me*.  I'm willing to change my mind if
>> presented with new information.  If you have none to offer, that's fine.
>
> what effort? download a new password manager app that offers syncing,
> then export passwords from your existing password manager and import
> them to the new one. it should take a minute or two.

And install it on all my devices, and learn how to use it -- plus
convincing myself that it's sufficiently secure.  Much more than
"a minute or two".

Is there a password manager that supports automatic sync among Linux,
Android, and Windows *without* storing any of my information in the
cloud (i.e., on someone else's computer)?  (It's possible that I hadn't
made it clear enough that I don't want to use cloud storage.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips
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