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  Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 09:53 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2021-07-12 07:37 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 07:41 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2021-07-12 13:59 +0100
      Re: Do you use a password manager? "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 15:14 +0200
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:45 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-07-12 15:17 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Lamey <lametroll@invalid.invalid> - 2021-07-12 09:36 -0600
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:46 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-19 10:43 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-07-12 15:40 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 11:52 -0700
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-12 19:58 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 13:15 -0700
            Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 16:27 -0400
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 13:48 -0700
                Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 17:14 -0400
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 14:43 -0700
                    Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 18:11 -0400
                      Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 15:52 -0700
                        Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 19:18 -0400
                          Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 16:57 -0700
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-12 20:25 -0400
                              Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 21:41 -0700
                                Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-14 07:10 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-07-13 01:08 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-07-13 14:43 +0000
                            Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-13 15:59 +0000
                              Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 13:55 -0700
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-13 15:48 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-14 07:04 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2021-07-16 16:34 +0300
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 15:06 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-16 20:10 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 21:51 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-16 22:05 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 22:19 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2021-07-16 11:19 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-19 10:42 -0400
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 11:08 -0700
          Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-19 14:12 -0400
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-19 20:07 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 14:15 -0700
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-07-20 09:15 +0100
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-20 20:13 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-20 16:39 -0400
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 15:52 -0700
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-07-12 15:28 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:51 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-07-13 17:15 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-07-14 01:29 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 18:43 -0700
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-14 07:00 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-19 10:40 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-22 08:52 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-07-22 09:52 -0400
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@danwin1210.me> - 2021-07-27 11:27 +0000
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2021-07-28 08:30 +1200
              Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-27 17:30 -0400
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-27 22:47 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2021-07-28 15:40 +1200
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-28 08:41 +0000
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-28 12:35 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2021-07-28 10:52 +0300
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-07-28 17:45 +0000
              Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-28 22:30 +0000
                Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-28 18:56 -0400
                  Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-07-29 07:38 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-21 13:28 -0400
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 12:31 -0700
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-21 21:00 +0000
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-22 01:23 +0100
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-22 08:46 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> - 2021-11-28 06:51 +0800
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-11-27 23:40 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2021-11-28 14:26 +1300
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-12-01 18:51 -0500
          Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-12-01 19:00 -0500
            Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-12-01 19:46 -0500
              Re: Do you use a password manager? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-12-01 20:42 -0500
                Re: Do you use a password manager? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2021-12-02 08:25 -0500
      Re: Do you use a password manager? om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2021-11-28 14:16 +0200
        Re: Do you use a password manager? rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> - 2021-11-28 21:06 +0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 10:31 -0800
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-11-29 13:01 +0200
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2021-11-29 15:52 +0000
    Re: Do you use a password manager? Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2022-02-05 14:43 +0200
      Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 09:41 -0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2022-02-05 19:03 +0000
        Re: Do you use a password manager? Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2022-02-06 11:39 +0200
    Re: Do you use a password manager? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2022-02-06 19:27 +0000
      Re: Do you use a password manager? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-02-06 18:21 -0800
        Re: Do you use a password manager? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 14:57 -0800
          Re: Do you use a password manager? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-02-07 19:21 -0800
      Re: Do you use a password manager? El Kabong <twang@the.noodle> - 2022-02-06 22:16 -0800
    Re: Do you use a password manager? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2022-02-12 21:35 +0000

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#8345

On 2021-12-01 20:42, nospam wrote:
> In article <5IUpJ.70459$qz4.49635@fx97.iad>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>>> dropbox has become incredibly bloated and bad that it's no longer
>>> usable. it also hooks into the os in evil ways.
>>
>> It's very usable.  I have tons of files on it for various uses and
>> access files from many devices on a daily basis for both personal and
>> work.  There is no "bloat" affecting that.
> 
> the dropbox client is electron app (bloat) which contains a chrome
> browser (more bloat). it's also a major resource hog. it's garbage.
> 
> <https://www.macrumors.com/guide/five-alternative-dropbox-clients/>
>    The Dropbox app has a troubled reputation among Mac users. The
>    client is often called out for using significant system resources,
>    even when it's not doing anything in the background. And when it
>    does lurch into action, syncing with Dropbox's servers can sometimes
>    be painfully slow, for no obvious reason.
> 
>    Added to this is the fact that almost a year after the first Macs
>    with the M1 chip became available, Dropbox still doesn't natively
>    support Apple silicon, and won't until sometime in 2022. That means
>    M1 Mac owners must use Dropbox with Rosetta, and reports suggest the
>    client hemorrhages MacBook battery life and uses a disproportionate
>    amount of memory on Apple silicon Macs.
> 
> the above link lists alternative dropbox clients.

I don't care.  It is more useful for me for many things than iCloud. 
And for 1P sync there is only iCloud or Dropbox.

>> I also use iCloud for some things.  There is often a "wait" while it
>> downloads files.  Seems to wait until one wants a file rather than being
>> in sycn asap as Dropbox does.
>>
>> Regardless, over the years I've had various issues using iCloud for 1P
>> sync.  It will be fine for a few months and then go bonkers.  Could be
>> because my home and work Macs are at different OS versions coupled to
>> 1Password also being at different versions (home v. work Macs).
> 
> i've never seen any such issue across a wide array of macs, iphones and
> ipads.

Of course.

> 
>> I don't care about that while Dropbox has been more reliable in this
>> regard - consistently.
> 
> opposite for me.

Of course.


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#8336

rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> I use Pass, which is a command-line only password manager using git
> and gpg. It's good and lightweight.

I also use it, though gpg is a bit clunky it helps me trust the cryptosystem.
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#8337

On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:16:49 +0200
om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

> rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > I use Pass, which is a command-line only password manager using git
> > and gpg. It's good and lightweight.  
> 
> I also use it, though gpg is a bit clunky it helps me trust the
> cryptosystem.

GPG is indeed a bit clunky and non-user friendly. It's really secure
but the complexity required to set it up makes it unapproachable.

It's only recently that I've gotten around maintaining a proper gpg key
setup when I was sorting out my password situation and looking at what
you can do with it it's certainly a waste that not all people are aware
or can even use this with ease.

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#8340

On 11/28/2021 04:16 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
> rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I use Pass, which is a command-line only password manager using git
>> and gpg. It's good and lightweight.
>
> I also use it, though gpg is a bit clunky it helps me trust the cryptosystem.

No.  I have a text file for when browsers and email forget.

I'm increasingly annoyed by the 'security' features required by various 
financial businesses.  I don't want texts sent to my phone EVER -- email 
is just fine.  I don't want to have to respond to a text message on my 
phone BEFORE I can accomplish a transaction on my computer.  This shit 
takes time.  MY time.

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#8338

rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> writes:

> I use Pass, which is a command-line only password manager using git and
> gpg. It's good and lightweight.

I haven't used pass but now that I looked into it, it seems it could
work for me too. I currently used Keepass with sftp access to the
password database and it works, for my current platforms which are
Linux, Android and Windows. Looks like pass could also work for my use
case.

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#8339

In message <sm0zgpnrzt9.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
> my current platforms which are Linux, Android and Windows.

So why are you posting to comp.sys.mac.system and comp.sys.mac.misc and
alt.atheism?

> case.


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#8795

In article <sch3ep$87h$1@dont-email.me>,
 Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:

> KeePassXC

I used KeePassX 0.4.4 works up to OS X 10.11 and then, after some 
testing, settled to KeePassXC.

I use the same .kdbx file at work with a KeePass Windows standalone 
version and it works great.

I have advocated KeePass to the rest of the family and some use it and 
some don't preferring the iCloud keychain which also seems to work OK 
with less hassle.

-- 
- Matti

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#8797

On 02/05/2022 04:43 AM, Matti Haveri wrote:
> In article <sch3ep$87h$1@dont-email.me>,
>   Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
>
>> KeePassXC
>
> I used KeePassX 0.4.4 works up to OS X 10.11 and then, after some
> testing, settled to KeePassXC.
>
> I use the same .kdbx file at work with a KeePass Windows standalone
> version and it works great.

Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are 
you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?

> I have advocated KeePass to the rest of the family and some use it and
> some don't preferring the iCloud keychain which also seems to work OK
> with less hassle.

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     is not thus handicapped."
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#8798

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The Real Bev wrote:
> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are 
> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?

No.  You're reliant on the software continuing to work -- the "database"
file is encrypted.

Equivalent of being reliant on say gpg continuing to work to decrypt a
text file or something.


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#8802

In article <stmcsl$vgs$1@dont-email.me>,
 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does it put a text file containing the passwords on your computer or are 
> you completely reliant on the thing ALWAYS working forever?

I have a master .kdbx file and occasionally copy it to my other accounts 
via sneaker net (iOS devices, Windows at work, various macOS test clones 
virtual machines etc). So if for some reason the master does not work 
(never happened yet), I can revert to those somewhat older backups. Or 
if also that fails, I can revert to macOS Keychain.

-- 
- Matti

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#8803

On Jul 12, 2021 at 1:53:00 AM PDT, "Unbreakable Disease"
<unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:

> My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
> anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here including
> my financial passwords and credit card data, with the exception of
> passwords that I would have to remember anyway (full-disk encryption,
> login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
> 
> Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
> complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple passwords
> you use every month or even less.
> 
> I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
> exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't used
> one since Windows 95 days.

I have the older version (non-subscription) of 1Password, but also make use of
the keychain password manager and the manager built-in to Safari (I use Safari
on both the mac and the ipad/iphone).

Only lately, when I'm offered a complex "strong password" of jibberish, I take
it. That's working well too.

But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
words (for instance ArchBasket with a few numbers, 245, then the first two
letters of the intended website, for instance AMazon. Then I use this same
password everywhere, with the exception of those last two letters.
ArchBasket245am, for Powell's books: ArchBasket245po.

It's easy to remember.

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#8804

In article <stp7fn$tn4$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> 
wrote:

> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized

merde d'oie.

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#8806

On 02/06/2022 06:21 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <stp7fn$tn4$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
> wrote:
>
>> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
>
> merde d'oie.

The American version would be merde de cheval or possibly merde de 
poulet, depending on the nature of the merde.

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#8807

In article <sts850$dbi$2@dont-email.me>,
 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/06/2022 06:21 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> > In article <stp7fn$tn4$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
> >
> > merde d'oie.
> 
> The American version would be merde de cheval or possibly merde de 
> poulet, depending on the nature of the merde.

Or the Fountainhead. One of Toohey's disciples uses it in faux 
brave nonconformist fashion pretending he is so brave saying 
birdshit evem though nobody undrstsnds him to be outrwaged. this 
contrasts to Roark who would just say burdsghit without nrrding 
to outrage or shock.

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#8805

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On Jul 12, 2021 at 1:53:00 AM PDT, "Unbreakable Disease"
> <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
> 
> > My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
> > anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here including
> > my financial passwords and credit card data, with the exception of
> > passwords that I would have to remember anyway (full-disk encryption,
> > login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
> > 
> > Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
> > complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple passwords
> > you use every month or even less.
> > 
> > I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
> > exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't used
> > one since Windows 95 days.
> 
> I have the older version (non-subscription) of 1Password, but also make use of
> the keychain password manager and the manager built-in to Safari (I use Safari
> on both the mac and the ipad/iphone).
> 
> Only lately, when I'm offered a complex "strong password" of jibberish, I take
> it. That's working well too.
> 
> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
> words (for instance ArchBasket with a few numbers, 245, then the first two
> letters of the intended website, for instance AMazon. Then I use this same
> password everywhere, with the exception of those last two letters.
> ArchBasket245am, for Powell's books: ArchBasket245po.
> 
> It's easy to remember.

With the latter system, if someone ever found out your
Powell's password (say, a rogue Powell admin), they might
easily guess your amazon & other passwords from that.

Also, if you should occasionally change a password, what
are you going to change it to?  Your system doesn't allow
a lot of variation.

(i keep passwords in an encrypted excel file. Excel
always works, and it's safe for cloud storage.)

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On Jul 12, 2021 at 1:53:00 AM PDT, "Unbreakable Disease"
<unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:

> My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
> anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here including
> my financial passwords and credit card data, with the exception of
> passwords that I would have to remember anyway (full-disk encryption,
> login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
> 
> Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
> complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple passwords
> you use every month or even less.
> 
> I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
> exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't used
> one since Windows 95 days.

I'm really glad this topic came up. I'm sorting through the drek of old
users/passwords in Safari's stash, and Firefox's and 1Password v6 which I now
realize hasn't been working in Safari, but has in Firefox. It's a total mess.
I think I'll spend a few days trying to sort it out...

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