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  [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-10-16 17:48 +1300
    Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-10-16 06:55 +0200
    Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-10-16 07:02 +0200
    Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Smithwicks <user@nonsenseurl.com.invalid> - 2025-10-16 23:03 -0400
      Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-10-17 18:09 +1300
        Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-16 22:15 -0700
          Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Smithwicks <user@nonsenseurl.com.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:25 -0400
            Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-10-18 11:39 +1300
            Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-22 18:55 -0700
              Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Smithwicks <user@nonsenseurl.com.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:52 -0400
                Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-10-28 18:32 +1300
        Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-10-17 08:16 +0200
    Re: [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-16 21:17 -0700

#9334 — [NEWS] Apple announces new M5 MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, and Vision Pro

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers 
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook 
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop 
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen 
everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\


    Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
    ---------------------------------------
    We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
    unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
    went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
    MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

    Apple Just Dropped 3 New M5 Devices - HUGE Performance Gains!
    Video  (9mins 17secs)
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-igIsgUro

    We've rounded up our coverage and highlighted the main
    feature changes for each device below.

    MacBook Pro
      - M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
      - Neural Accelerators for GPU
      - 153GB/s memory bandwidth, up from 120GB/s
      - 2x faster SSD
      - Up to 4TB storage
      - Priced starting at $1,599

    iPad Pro
      - M5 chip with up to 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
      - 12GB RAM minimum
      - 2x faster SSD read and write speeds
      - N1 networking chip with Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 6
      - C1X modem with up to 50 percent faster cellular data
        performance
      - Fast charge support with 50% charge in 35 minutes
      - Priced starting at $999

    Vision Pro
      - M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
      - 10 percent more pixels rendered on micro-OLED displays
        for sharper images and crisper text
      - Refresh rate up to 120Hz for reduced motion blur
      - Longer 2.5 hour battery life
      - More comfortable Dual Knit Band
      - Priced starting at $3,499
      - Dual Knit Band included with M5 model, or $99 standalone

    Launch Date
    The new M5 devices are available for pre-order starting today,
    and will launch on Wednesday, October 22.

    Our Full Coverage
    There are more tidbits on what was announced today available
    in our coverage of the new devices.

      - Apple Unveils M5 Chip With Next-Generation GPU
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-unveils-m5-chip-with-next-generation-gpu/> 


      - Apple Announces New 14-Inch MacBook Pro With M5 Chip
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-macbook-pro-with-m5-chip/> 


      - New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in
        Europe
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-macbook-pro-lacks-charger-in-europe/> 


      - Apple Debuts New iPad Pro With M5 Chip, Faster Charging,
        and More
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-debuts-new-ipad-pro-with-m5/> 


      - Apple Updates Vision Pro With M5 Chip, Dual Knit Band, and
        120Hz Support
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-vision-pro-with-m5-chip/> 


      - Two New Accessories for Vision Pro Now Available, With More
        Coming
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-accessories-for-vision-pro-now-available/> 


      - Discontinued M2 Vision Pro Not Available for Trade-In
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/discontinued-m2-vision-pro-not-available-for-trade-in/> 


      - Apple Releases Black Version of Magic Keyboard for iPad Air
        
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-releases-black-magic-keyboard-for-ipad-air/> 




    <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>


    

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#9335

Am 16.10.25 um 06:48 schrieb Your Name:
> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers 
> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook 
> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop 
> itself in Europe).

Because everyone has at least one already. You are a brain dead Troll,
dear.

Especially you show that you do not understand modern sustainablity
concepts. You post shows that the EC-concept works perfectly. Globally!

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita."

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#9336

Am 16.10.25 um 06:48 schrieb Your Name:
>     Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
>     ---------------------------------------

Everyone who joins Usenet is able to use Internet. Your product
propaganda is more than redundant. Stop this this crossposting bullshit.


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita."

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#9337

In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers 
> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook 
> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop 
> itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen 
> everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\
> 
> 
>     Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
>     ---------------------------------------
>     We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
>     unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
>     went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
>     MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.
> 
>     Apple Just Dropped 3 New M5 Devices - HUGE Performance Gains!
>     Video  (9mins 17secs)
>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-igIsgUro
> 
>     We've rounded up our coverage and highlighted the main
>     feature changes for each device below.
> 
>     MacBook Pro
>       - M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
>       - Neural Accelerators for GPU
>       - 153GB/s memory bandwidth, up from 120GB/s
>       - 2x faster SSD
>       - Up to 4TB storage
>       - Priced starting at $1,599
> 
>     iPad Pro
>       - M5 chip with up to 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
>       - 12GB RAM minimum
>       - 2x faster SSD read and write speeds
>       - N1 networking chip with Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 6
>       - C1X modem with up to 50 percent faster cellular data
>         performance
>       - Fast charge support with 50% charge in 35 minutes
>       - Priced starting at $999
> 
>     Vision Pro
>       - M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
>       - 10 percent more pixels rendered on micro-OLED displays
>         for sharper images and crisper text
>       - Refresh rate up to 120Hz for reduced motion blur
>       - Longer 2.5 hour battery life
>       - More comfortable Dual Knit Band
>       - Priced starting at $3,499
>       - Dual Knit Band included with M5 model, or $99 standalone
> 
>     Launch Date
>     The new M5 devices are available for pre-order starting today,
>     and will launch on Wednesday, October 22.
> 
>     Our Full Coverage
>     There are more tidbits on what was announced today available
>     in our coverage of the new devices.
> 
>       - Apple Unveils M5 Chip With Next-Generation GPU
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-unveils-m5-chip-with-next-generati
> on-gpu/> 
> 
> 
>       - Apple Announces New 14-Inch MacBook Pro With M5 Chip
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-macbook-pro-with-m5-chip
> /> 
> 
> 
>       - New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in
>         Europe
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-macbook-pro-lacks-charger-in-europe/
> > 
> 
> 
>       - Apple Debuts New iPad Pro With M5 Chip, Faster Charging,
>         and More
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-debuts-new-ipad-pro-with-m5/> 
> 
> 
>       - Apple Updates Vision Pro With M5 Chip, Dual Knit Band, and
>         120Hz Support
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-vision-pro-with-m5-chip/
> > 
> 
> 
>       - Two New Accessories for Vision Pro Now Available, With More
>         Coming
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-accessories-for-vision-pro-now-avail
> able/> 
> 
> 
>       - Discontinued M2 Vision Pro Not Available for Trade-In
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/discontinued-m2-vision-pro-not-available
> -for-trade-in/> 
> 
> 
>       - Apple Releases Black Version of Magic Keyboard for iPad Air
>         
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-releases-black-magic-keyboard-for-
> ipad-air/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>
> 
> 
>     

Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series. 
Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not 
really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the 
SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't 
imagine it sticking around.

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#9339

On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:

> In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
>> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
>> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
>> itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
>> everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\
>> 
>> 
>> Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
>> ---------------------------------------
>> We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
>> unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
>> went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
>> MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.
<snip>
>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>
> 
> Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
> Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
> really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
> SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
> imagine it sticking around.

The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to 
move to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a 
foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the 
iPhone and iPad.

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#9340

On 2025-10-16 22:09, Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:
> 
>> In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
>>> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
>>> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
>>> itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
>>> everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
>>> ---------------------------------------
>>> We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
>>> unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
>>> went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
>>> MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.
> <snip>
>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>
>>
>> Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
>> Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
>> really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
>> SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
>> imagine it sticking around.
> 
> The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to move 
> to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a 
> foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the iPhone 
> and iPad.
> 
> 
> 

Why do you say that?

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#9342

In article <10csjdg$rcmk$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> 
wrote:

> On 2025-10-16 22:09, Your Name wrote:
> > On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:
> > 
> >> In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
> >>> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
> >>> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
> >>> itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
> >>> everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
> >>> ---------------------------------------
> >>> We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
> >>> unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
> >>> went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
> >>> MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.
> > <snip>
> >>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>
> >>
> >> Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
> >> Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
> >> really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
> >> SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
> >> imagine it sticking around.
> > 
> > The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to move 
> > to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a 
> > foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the iPhone 
> > and iPad.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Why do you say that?

Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the 
CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid 
machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or 
upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you 
buy the chip.

The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any 
other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to 
play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if 
you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The 
architecture just can't utilize it.

That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a 
machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe 
something else that hasn't even occured to me.

Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting 
the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than 
the Mini. Quite impressive, really.

I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower 
design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac 
Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people 
needing audio cards or similar hardware.

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#9343

On 2025-10-17 20:25:51 +0000, Smithwicks said:
> In article <10csjdg$rcmk$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2025-10-16 22:09, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:
>>>> In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name 
>>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
>>>>> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
>>>>> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
>>>>> itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
>>>>> everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>> We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
>>>>> unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
>>>>> went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
>>>>> MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.
>>> <snip>
>>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>
>>>> 
>>>> Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
>>>> Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
>>>> really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
>>>> SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
>>>> imagine it sticking around.
>>> 
>>> The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to move
>>> to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a
>>> foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the iPhone
>>> and iPad.
>> 
>> Why do you say that?
> 
> Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the
> CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid
> machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or
> upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you
> buy the chip.
> 
> The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any
> other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to
> play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if
> you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The
> architecture just can't utilize it.
> 
> That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a
> machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe
> something else that hasn't even occured to me.

Some scientific equipment too, but the reality is that number of users 
that need PCI slots is miniscule, and even smaller since Apple removed 
the possibility of changing graphics cards (which were not only used 
for graphics, but also as secondary processors).



> Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting
> the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than
> the Mini. Quite impressive, really.
> 
> I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower
> design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac
> Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people
> needing audio cards or similar hardware.

You can get external PCI boxes that plug into any Mac (or Windows PC 
for that matter) via Thunderbolt, etc., although they probably don't 
work with graphics cards either.

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#9345

On 2025-10-17 13:25, Smithwicks wrote:
>> Why do you say that?
> Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the
> CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid
> machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or
> upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you
> buy the chip.

> 
> The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any
> other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to
> play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if
> you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The
> architecture just can't utilize it.
> 
> That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a
> machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe
> something else that hasn't even occured to me.
Oh, no!

You can only use the built-in GPU to support one screen...

...no...wait...

...it's two screens...

...nope, nope; three!

Yes, a maximum of three screens at 8K resolution...

...or six at 6K...

...or eight at 4K.

That's a HUGE limitation

> Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting
> the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than
> the Mini. Quite impressive, really.
> 
> I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower
> design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac
> Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people
> needing audio cards or similar hardware.

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#9349

In article <10dc1v4$12vmn$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> 
wrote:

> On 2025-10-17 13:25, Smithwicks wrote:
> >> Why do you say that?
> > Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the
> > CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid
> > machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or
> > upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you
> > buy the chip.
> 
> > 
> > The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any
> > other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to
> > play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if
> > you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The
> > architecture just can't utilize it.
> > 
> > That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a
> > machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe
> > something else that hasn't even occured to me.
> Oh, no!
> 
> You can only use the built-in GPU to support one screen...
> 
> ...no...wait...
> 
> ...it's two screens...
> 
> ...nope, nope; three!
> 
> Yes, a maximum of three screens at 8K resolution...
> 
> ...or six at 6K...
> 
> ...or eight at 4K.
> 
> That's a HUGE limitation
> 
> > Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting
> > the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than
> > the Mini. Quite impressive, really.
> > 
> > I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower
> > design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac
> > Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people
> > needing audio cards or similar hardware.

As a minor consideration, I wonder if screen support increases linearly 
with the core-count of the GPU? ie - would a stock M4 support fewer than 
the M4 Pro, Max, or Ultra? Something I'm not sure about as it's a bit 
out of my own needs, haha.

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#9350

On 2025-10-28 04:52:33 +0000, Smithwicks said:
> In article <10dc1v4$12vmn$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2025-10-17 13:25, Smithwicks wrote:
>>>> Why do you say that?
>>> Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the
>>> CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid
>>> machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or
>>> upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you
>>> buy the chip.
>> 
>>> 
>>> The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any
>>> other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to
>>> play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if
>>> you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The
>>> architecture just can't utilize it.
>>> 
>>> That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a
>>> machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe
>>> something else that hasn't even occured to me.
>> Oh, no!
>> 
>> You can only use the built-in GPU to support one screen...
>> 
>> ...no...wait...
>> 
>> ...it's two screens...
>> 
>> ...nope, nope; three!
>> 
>> Yes, a maximum of three screens at 8K resolution...
>> 
>> ...or six at 6K...
>> 
>> ...or eight at 4K.
>> 
>> That's a HUGE limitation
>> 
>>> Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting
>>> the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than
>>> the Mini. Quite impressive, really.
>>> 
>>> I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower
>>> design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac
>>> Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people
>>> needing audio cards or similar hardware.
> 
> As a minor consideration, I wonder if screen support increases linearly
> with the core-count of the GPU? ie - would a stock M4 support fewer than
> the M4 Pro, Max, or Ultra? Something I'm not sure about as it's a bit
> out of my own needs, haha.

The number / types of screens does change with the chip model and type. 
Apple's M-series chips also the RAM is in the chip itself and used by 
both ther CPU and GPU, so the amount of RAM you have will be another 
factor in how many screens you can use.

There are some external hubs that claim to be able to let you use more 
screens, but I've never used any of those to know whether they work or 
not.

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#9341

Am 17.10.25 um 07:09 schrieb Your Name:
> The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to 
> move to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a 
> foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the 
> iPhone and iPad.

Utter nonsense!

You should learn that the Mac Pro is a thing from a very distant past
and at best is justified for extreme niche applications which are not
relevant for private users. And btw: The M-Series is a CPU and the form
factor of the machine is a separate issue and has nothing to do with the
performance of the CPU. Given today's performance levels of iPads and
MacBooks people do not buy these bulky crap anymore.


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita."

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#9338

On 2025-10-15 21:48, Your Name wrote:
> 
> Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers 
> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook 
> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop 
> itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen 
> everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\
What is the use of making everyone settle on one standard for charging 
devices...

...and then including a charger with every device that's sold?

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