Re: Do you use a password manager?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.misc, comp.unix.misc, comp.misc
Subject	Re: Do you use a password manager?
Followup-To	comp.sys.mac.system
Date	2021-07-13 17:15 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Message-ID	<il600uFj6v4U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	<sch3ep$87h$1@dont-email.me> <il35ctF2ba0U1@mid.individual.net> <scidg7$jnc$1@dont-email.me>

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On 2021-07-12, Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
> On 12.07.2021 15:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2021-07-12, Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
>>>
>>> My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
>>> anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here
>>> including my financial passwords and credit card data, with the
>>> exception of passwords that I would have to remember anyway
>>> (full-disk encryption, login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
>>>
>>> Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
>>> complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple
>>> passwords you use every month or even less.
>>>
>>> I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
>>> exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't
>>> used one since Windows 95 days.
>> 
>> I don't see anything wrong with using Apple's built-in Keychain
>> password manager. The only drawback it has is that it's Apple-only,
>> and that has never been a reason not to use it for me. Most of my
>> family uses it and is happy with it.
>> 
>> The iCloud Keychain service is optional and seamlessly synchronizes
>> your password database between all of your Apple devices. It is also
>> highly encrypted using end-to-end encryption so that it cannot be
>> accessed by anyone but you.
>> 
>> Others here will recommend cross-platform solutions, but if you have
>> no need for synchronizing your password database to other platforms,
>> Apple's built-in Keychain is quite a secure and capable solution, and
>> it's integrated with all of Apple's operating systems by default.
>> 
> I need to use my database on both Mac OS and Linux, so I use
> KeePassXC. 

And I don't need to use my password database on Linux, so I use
Keychain. With Keychain. I have all of my passwords with me on my iPhone
at all times anyway. WHen I need a password on my Linux, Windows, etc
systems, I can just pick up my phone and there it is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

We can go back and forth like this all day if it suits you, but I don't
really see the point.

> And what if you are left with the Keychain file and Apple goes south? 

Apple isn't going South anytime soon. That's a pipe dream.

> How you will migrate to KeePassXC?

In your hypothetical scenario, I'd have moved my passwords out of
Keychain and into something better long before Apple goes South.

> Your file is going to be nothing more than useless junk

I mean, as long as we are daydreaming, the same could be said if
KeePassXC mysteriously went South overnight. 

Back here in the real world, though, things don't just vanish overnight,
and we have plenty of notice before such things happen, giving us ample
time to move to something better. Such is the way with natural
obsolescence - it tends to happen rather slowly.

> so at least call Apple or e-mail Tim Cook directly at 
> timcook@apple.com to allow to export Keychain data to other password 
> managers. I doubt that Apple will listen to us, but trying is better 
> than simply giving up.

What are you going on about? Get a grip, my dude.

It's great that you have the option of using KeePass. Am I afforded the
option of *not* using it in your world, or is that absolutely not
allowed?

-- 
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JR

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Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 09:53 +0000
  Re: Do you use a password manager? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2021-07-12 07:37 -0400
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    Re: Do you use a password manager? Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> - 2021-07-12 21:51 +0000
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