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Re: Is it me or are there many unreliable USB flash drives?

From	Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject	Re: Is it me or are there many unreliable USB flash drives?
Date	2016-10-26 17:34 +0000
Organization	Subsume Technologies, Inc.
Message-ID	<nuqper$pg7$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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For your reference, records indicate that 
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <nunvbr$u0j$1@dont-email.me>, Doc O'Leary
> <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> > > it was defective. hd ipods might get warm but never blazingly hot.
> > 
> > It was operating fine *for how it was designed*.  Which was to 
> > *briefly* use the HD to transfer music either to sync with the 
> > computer or into RAM to play it.  It was *not* designed to be 
> > constantly used as a Firewire drive.
> 
> actually, it was. 

You provide no evidence that backs this claim.  Show me some actual 
design specs or I’m done with you.

> ipods could be put into firewire disk mode which kept the disk spinning
> continuously.

I know.  I did it.  It got hot as hell.

> in fact, apple had planned on ipods being used for portable home
> folders in panther. however, that feature was dropped for unknown
> reasons, almost certainly due to issues with syncing (which they still
> can't get right), not heat.

It is a mental error to simply *assume* unknown factors support 
your claim.  Are you also one of those nutters who sees a light in 
the sky they can’t identify and just *knows* that it must be those 
aliens from Blixnor looking to get all probe-y?

Perhaps they dropped it because the *did* try to do a redesign that 
caused it to generate less heat, but failed.  Perhaps they gave up 
for the same reason they stopped allowing iDevices to be seen as 
drives at all.

> > Stop talking like you¹re an authority on all things.  You come 
> > across like just another nameless idiot when you do that.
> 
> nothing more than insults. cite facts, if you have any.

Fact: you use no identifiable name that can linked to anyone with 
expertise on these matters.  Fact: you have no internal or external 
documents from Apple or any of the USB manufacturers discussed here 
regarding their energy usage or heat dissipation.  Fact: it’s not 
an insult to call you out on your BS.

> a manufacturer is not going to intentionally release a product that
> runs outside its own design specs. 

More know-nothing BS talk from you.  Companies like Volkswagen 
will even lie to government regulators about their product’s 
specifications!

> a lot of products run hot without any issue, including hard drives, usb
> sticks and many other things. it's almost always normal.

Except when it isn’t.  You’ve provided no evidence here that it 
*is* normal, or that it won’t affect the lifespan of any of the 
devices in question.  Until you do, you need to speak less if you 
don’t want to look more foolish.

> i have a few 7200 rpm hard drives that run so hot i can't even touch
> the drive itself. the enclosure gets *very* warm.

Where is your evidence that they’re operating in their acceptable 
temperature range?  And, again, it isn’t just about whether or not 
they *exceed* that temperature, but what effect operating at higher 
temperatures can have in general.  Things tend to break more when 
they experience a lot of thermal stress.  To claim otherwise makes 
you seem out of touch with reality.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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