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| First post | 2015-09-23 18:16 -0500 |
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A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 18:16 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 18:18 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 22:41 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-24 00:38 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-24 00:42 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:09 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:39 +0000
Re: MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests, disk's I/O error in verbose bootup, & unable to repair! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-27 19:27 -0500
Re: MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests, disk's I/O error in verbose bootup, & unable to repair! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 03:43 +0000
Re: MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests, disk's I/O error in verbose bootup, & unable to repair! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-27 22:48 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 00:53 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 01:31 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-24 12:35 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 10:53 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:55 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 11:24 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:15 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 10:54 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-09-25 11:14 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-25 15:34 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-25 16:39 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-25 16:32 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-09-25 17:52 -0700
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-25 20:14 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-09-25 23:45 -0700
Re: SMART utilities... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-26 05:58 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:03 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 10:55 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:58 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 11:27 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 16:56 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 13:34 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 16:58 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 13:35 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-25 00:56 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-25 05:23 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:23 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 19:38 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 01:20 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 20:24 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 01:27 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 22:17 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 14:57 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-24 12:32 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:14 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 10:57 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 16:00 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 11:27 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 00:28 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 19:44 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 01:22 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 20:25 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 22:58 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 14:59 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 11:00 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-24 13:25 +1200
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-23 20:28 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-24 12:29 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-24 15:11 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-24 11:21 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-25 06:07 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-09-26 05:02 -0700
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-26 16:27 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-27 19:22 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 03:37 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-27 22:45 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 23:17 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-27 23:22 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-09-27 23:50 -0500
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 01:49 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-09-27 21:26 -0700
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 01:49 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 06:05 +0000
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 02:09 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-28 07:28 +0000
Re: Apple Store's appointments (was A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests...) ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-28 02:41 -0500
Re: Apple Store's appointments (was A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests...) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-09-28 09:27 +0000
Re: Apple Store's appointments (was A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests...) ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-09-28 07:25 -0500
Re: Apple Store's appointments (was A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests...) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-28 12:18 -0400
Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-28 05:03 +0000
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 16:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <t5OdnV261r5gI5jLnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1801 |
> >>> Doesn't Disk Utility have a SMART utility?
> >>
> >> Yes, and when you run it and select the startup volume, it will report
> >> SMART failures on the bottom of the Disk Utility window.
> >
> > Certainly true. However, my experience has shown that Apple's standards
> > for passing SMART are very low. I've had _numerous_ occasions where Disk
> > Utility has said the disk passes SMART, but SMART Utility.app
> ><http://www.volitans-software.com> has found soon-to-be-fatal errors
> > (increasing numbers of bad sectors, etc.). SMART Utility.app is one of
> > the best in the business. Well worth having in your arsenal of
> > diagnostic tools.
> Remember in this case we are talking about someone who isn't very
> technically savvy. Disk Utility should be enough for this particular
> purpose.
Yep. He is not technical savvy that he got scared of Disk Utility and
told me to look at it after he returns home. [sighs] :(
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 16:32 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <6sudnZ1hm8H3IJjLnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1800 |
> >> Doesn't Disk Utility have a SMART utility?
> >
> > Yes, and when you run it and select the startup volume, it will report
> > SMART failures on the bottom of the Disk Utility window.
> Certainly true. However, my experience has shown that Apple's standards
> for passing SMART are very low. I've had _numerous_ occasions where Disk
> Utility has said the disk passes SMART, but SMART Utility.app
> <http://www.volitans-software.com> has found soon-to-be-fatal errors
> (increasing numbers of bad sectors, etc.). SMART Utility.app is one of
> the best in the business. Well worth having in your arsenal of
> diagnostic tools.
How is it compared to the free and opensourced smartmontools
(https://www.smartmontools.org/)?
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 17:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <vilain-D29513.17520325092015@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1802 |
In article <6sudnZ1hm8H3IJjLnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) wrote: > > >> Doesn't Disk Utility have a SMART utility? > > > > > > Yes, and when you run it and select the startup volume, it will report > > > SMART failures on the bottom of the Disk Utility window. > > > Certainly true. However, my experience has shown that Apple's standards > > for passing SMART are very low. I've had _numerous_ occasions where Disk > > Utility has said the disk passes SMART, but SMART Utility.app > > <http://www.volitans-software.com> has found soon-to-be-fatal errors > > (increasing numbers of bad sectors, etc.). SMART Utility.app is one of > > the best in the business. Well worth having in your arsenal of > > diagnostic tools. > > How is it compared to the free and opensourced smartmontools > (https://www.smartmontools.org/)? It has features that isn't in the opensource app. You can compare them and offer both to your client. I use SmarReporter which keeps a history of when it's checked and supportss I/O tracking, RAID, and disk space independent of SMART disk capabilities. Several of my disks don't support SMART. If his disk doesn't having a SMART monitor will do squat. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 20:14 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <2KqdnSlvOucUbJjLnZ2dnUU7-c-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1804 |
> > > >> Doesn't Disk Utility have a SMART utility?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and when you run it and select the startup volume, it will report
> > > > SMART failures on the bottom of the Disk Utility window.
> >
> > > Certainly true. However, my experience has shown that Apple's standards
> > > for passing SMART are very low. I've had _numerous_ occasions where Disk
> > > Utility has said the disk passes SMART, but SMART Utility.app
> > > <http://www.volitans-software.com> has found soon-to-be-fatal errors
> > > (increasing numbers of bad sectors, etc.). SMART Utility.app is one of
> > > the best in the business. Well worth having in your arsenal of
> > > diagnostic tools.
> >
> > How is it compared to the free and opensourced smartmontools
> > (https://www.smartmontools.org/)?
> It has features that isn't in the opensource app. You can compare them
> and offer both to your client. I use SmarReporter which keeps a history
> of when it's checked and supportss I/O tracking, RAID, and disk space
> independent of SMART disk capabilities. Several of my disks don't
> support SMART. If his disk doesn't having a SMART monitor will do squat.
Can I run this (and any others') apps in recovery boot?
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 23:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <vilain-1AD2C4.23455225092015@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1805 |
In article <2KqdnSlvOucUbJjLnZ2dnUU7-c-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) wrote: > > > > >> Doesn't Disk Utility have a SMART utility? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, and when you run it and select the startup volume, it will > > > > > report > > > > > SMART failures on the bottom of the Disk Utility window. > > > > > > > Certainly true. However, my experience has shown that Apple's standards > > > > for passing SMART are very low. I've had _numerous_ occasions where > > > > Disk > > > > Utility has said the disk passes SMART, but SMART Utility.app > > > > <http://www.volitans-software.com> has found soon-to-be-fatal errors > > > > (increasing numbers of bad sectors, etc.). SMART Utility.app is one of > > > > the best in the business. Well worth having in your arsenal of > > > > diagnostic tools. > > > > > > How is it compared to the free and opensourced smartmontools > > > (https://www.smartmontools.org/)? > > > It has features that isn't in the opensource app. You can compare them > > and offer both to your client. I use SmarReporter which keeps a history > > of when it's checked and supportss I/O tracking, RAID, and disk space > > independent of SMART disk capabilities. Several of my disks don't > > support SMART. If his disk doesn't having a SMART monitor will do squat. > > Can I run this (and any others') apps in recovery boot? Not to my knowledge. There's very little you can do in boot recovery. I created a recovery volume on a bootable USB stick. It has tools on it like for Disk Recovery, Disk Utility, log analysis, and to run SMART reports (I used the open source tool for that). It can read the SMART info on disks that support it, but as I said my Apple HD that came with my system doesn't support SMART so it's of no help if there are problems with it. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-26 05:58 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: SMART utilities... |
| Message-ID | <Z8SdncE-9d_J55vLnZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1806 |
> > > > > >> Doesn't Disk Utility have a SMART utility?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, and when you run it and select the startup volume, it will
> > > > > > report
> > > > > > SMART failures on the bottom of the Disk Utility window.
> > > >
> > > > > Certainly true. However, my experience has shown that Apple's standards
> > > > > for passing SMART are very low. I've had _numerous_ occasions where
> > > > > Disk
> > > > > Utility has said the disk passes SMART, but SMART Utility.app
> > > > > <http://www.volitans-software.com> has found soon-to-be-fatal errors
> > > > > (increasing numbers of bad sectors, etc.). SMART Utility.app is one of
> > > > > the best in the business. Well worth having in your arsenal of
> > > > > diagnostic tools.
> > > >
> > > > How is it compared to the free and opensourced smartmontools
> > > > (https://www.smartmontools.org/)?
> >
> > > It has features that isn't in the opensource app. You can compare them
> > > and offer both to your client. I use SmarReporter which keeps a history
> > > of when it's checked and supportss I/O tracking, RAID, and disk space
> > > independent of SMART disk capabilities. Several of my disks don't
> > > support SMART. If his disk doesn't having a SMART monitor will do squat.
> >
> > Can I run this (and any others') apps in recovery boot?
> Not to my knowledge. There's very little you can do in boot recovery.
> I created a recovery volume on a bootable USB stick. It has tools on it
> like for Disk Recovery, Disk Utility, log analysis, and to run SMART
> reports (I used the open source tool for that). It can read the SMART
> info on disks that support it, but as I said my Apple HD that came with
> my system doesn't support SMART so it's of no help if there are problems
> with it.
I briefly messed with my work's MBP (2013; Retina)'s recovery to see how
its stuff work. I ran its Disk Utility's verify on its SSD. It didn't
even show any SMART results. I am going to assume this SSD doesn't have
any. I thought all newer drives (SSD and HDDs) have SMART stuff?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 15:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <d6ihmfF1tc3U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1764 |
On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > I just got the verbose text log from my client: > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :( It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume. Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see what it shows. He should be prepared to replace the hard drive in the machine with a new one. He may want to consider replacing it with a faster hard drive or an SSD to increase the speed of the computer. He can restore his data from his Time Machine backups afterwards. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 10:55 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <2LadnXzoYex-gZnLnZ2dnUU7-Y_46u6z@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1775 |
In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
> > I just got the verbose text log from my client:
> > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It
> > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this
> > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :(
> It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume.
> Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see
> what it shows.
And not Repair first?
> He should be prepared to replace the hard drive in the machine with a
> new one. He may want to consider replacing it with a faster hard drive
> or an SSD to increase the speed of the computer. He can restore his data
> from his Time Machine backups afterwards.
Agreed if it shows problem from Disk Utility.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 15:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <d6iksdF1tc3U15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1783 |
On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: >> > I just got the verbose text log from my client: >> > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It >> > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this >> > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :( > >> It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume. > >> Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see >> what it shows. > > And not Repair first? Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong. Disk Utility tried to avoid modifications that result in data loss; but it can still happen. So it is better to run Verify first to see what problems are there without modifying anything. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 11:27 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <bYCdneLMiKX1uZnLnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1786 |
> >> > I just got the verbose text log from my client:
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It
> >> > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this
> >> > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :(
> >
> >> It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume.
> >
> >> Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see
> >> what it shows.
> >
> > And not Repair first?
> Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before
> you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong.
> Disk Utility tried to avoid modifications that result in data loss; but
> it can still happen. So it is better to run Verify first to see what
> problems are there without modifying anything.
OK. It is a good thing I haven't told him to repair! Yikes. I will tell
him to VERIFY first. I just hope he knows how to use Disk Utility. It is
not easy for a computer newbie/illiterate. :(
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 16:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <d6io9bF1tc3U17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1791 |
On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: >> >> > I just got the verbose text log from my client: >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It >> >> > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this >> >> > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :( >> > >> >> It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume. >> > >> >> Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see >> >> what it shows. >> > >> > And not Repair first? > >> Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before >> you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong. >> Disk Utility tried to avoid modifications that result in data loss; but >> it can still happen. So it is better to run Verify first to see what >> problems are there without modifying anything. > > OK. It is a good thing I haven't told him to repair! Yikes. I will tell > him to VERIFY first. I just hope he knows how to use Disk Utility. It is > not easy for a computer newbie/illiterate. :( You should also make sure he understands that "Verify Disk" is *not* the same thing as "Verify Disk Permissions". He wants to do a "Verify Disk" - not "Repair Disk", and not "Verify Disk Permissions". -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 13:34 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <h4ydnWYp4YCx35nLnZ2dnUU7-fednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1793 |
> >> >> > I just got the verbose text log from my client:
> >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It
> >> >> > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this
> >> >> > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :(
> >> >
> >> >> It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume.
> >> >
> >> >> Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see
> >> >> what it shows.
> >> >
> >> > And not Repair first?
> >
> >> Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before
> >> you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong.
> >> Disk Utility tried to avoid modifications that result in data loss; but
> >> it can still happen. So it is better to run Verify first to see what
> >> problems are there without modifying anything.
> >
> > OK. It is a good thing I haven't told him to repair! Yikes. I will tell
> > him to VERIFY first. I just hope he knows how to use Disk Utility. It is
> > not easy for a computer newbie/illiterate. :(
> You should also make sure he understands that "Verify Disk" is *not* the
> same thing as "Verify Disk Permissions". He wants to do a "Verify Disk"
> - not "Repair Disk", and not "Verify Disk Permissions".
Ah, good call. I missed that. I'll tell him since he hasn't answered my
e-mail yet.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 16:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <d6iodlF1tc3U18@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1791 |
On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: >> >> > I just got the verbose text log from my client: >> >> > http://i.imgur.com/t9EdqFO.jpg but it is a bit small, but readable. It >> >> > looks like there is a problem with the HDD due to its I/O error. Is this >> >> > a physical problem or a data problem (run Recovery's Disk Utility?)? :( >> > >> >> It appears the machine is having trouble accessing the startup volume. >> > >> >> Run Disk Utility's "Verify Disk" function on the startup volume and see >> >> what it shows. >> > >> > And not Repair first? > >> Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before >> you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong. >> Disk Utility tried to avoid modifications that result in data loss; but >> it can still happen. So it is better to run Verify first to see what >> problems are there without modifying anything. > > OK. It is a good thing I haven't told him to repair! Yikes. I will tell > him to VERIFY first. I just hope he knows how to use Disk Utility. It is > not easy for a computer newbie/illiterate. :( It's pretty straight-forward. Run Disk Utility, highlight the startup volume on the left side of the window, then click the "Verify Disk" button, as shown here: <http://i2.wp.com/www.macissues.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DiskUtilityFirstAid.png> -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 13:35 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <h4ydnWEp4YD535nLnZ2dnUU7-fednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1794 |
> > OK. It is a good thing I haven't told him to repair! Yikes. I will tell
> > him to VERIFY first. I just hope he knows how to use Disk Utility. It is
> > not easy for a computer newbie/illiterate. :(
> It's pretty straight-forward. Run Disk Utility, highlight the startup
> volume on the left side of the window, then click the "Verify Disk"
> button, as shown here:
> <http://i2.wp.com/www.macissues.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DiskUtilityFirstAid.png>
Perfect! This should help him.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 00:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <5604d3f0$0$4059$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #1786 |
On 15-09-24 11:58, Jolly Roger wrote: > Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before > you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong. If Disk Utility is unable to read a disk block, it won't attempt to fix it since it can't write to it. The "repair" only applies to the file system (some lost files not in any directories, some catalog bits not set properly etc). I suspect that Disk Utility will not detect a few corrupt blocks inside a file. Yes, you can run "Verify" first. However, it will take twice as long. The problem is that if you run Verify and then Repair, you double the number of disk operations that get done and if the disk is on its last legs, you may not want to do this. In fact, if you have a spare disk, I would do a disk backup on the device (dismount the disk and do the disk image on the drive, using Disk Utility). Once you have the backup done, you can play with the new drive to do Verify/repair etc.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-25 05:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) gets stuck during its boot ups and tests... disk's I/O error in verbose bootup! |
| Message-ID | <d6k421Fc5eoU12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1797 |
On 2015-09-25, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-09-24 11:58, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Repair will cause Disk Utility to attempt to *modify* the disk before >> you have had a chance to read the output to determine what is wrong. > > If Disk Utility is unable to read a disk block, it won't attempt to fix > it since it can't write to it. Irrelevant to my point above. > The "repair" only applies to the file system (some lost files not in any > directories, some catalog bits not set properly etc). I suspect that > Disk Utility will not detect a few corrupt blocks inside a file. Again, irrelevant. Your assumption that this volume must have bad blocks is premature and based on ignorance. We do not know what is wrong with the volume, which is why it is best not to attempt modification which may result in data loss. > Yes, you can run "Verify" first. However, it will take twice as long. Wrong. Verify operations actually take less time than Repair operations because repairs naturally take time to make. Without the repairs, there is less to do, which means the operation finishes faster. > The problem is that if you run Verify and then Repair, you double the > number of disk operations that get done and if the disk is on its last > legs, you may not want to do this. If you want to determine what is wrong with the volume you have to verify it, silly. Otherwise you might as well just throw the drive away, which is just plain silly. > In fact, if you have a spare disk, I would do a disk backup on the > device (dismount the disk and do the disk image on the drive, using Disk > Utility). He already has a backup. Please pay better attention. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-23 19:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <230920151923114515%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #1750 |
In article <JOednbDWmv12r57LnZ2dnUU7-Yv46u6z@earthlink.com>, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > As of a few hours ago after travelling far away (somewhere in Europe) > and using it briefly in his hotel room, my client's 13.3" MBP no longer > boots up fully to its updated Mac OS X v10.8.5. It gets stuck at the > gray Apple logo with its spinning indicator as shown in his blurry > iPhone photo(graph): http://i.imgur.com/uOP2XkC.jpg ... It never gets to > the login screen. > > Over the phone and e-mails, we briefly tried safe mode but it showed the > same results but at slower speeds which is expected. I told him to boot > it up with D key held down for its hardware test. He ran the tests, but > he said it got stuck too as shown in http://i.imgur.com/VQ6Yy8s.jpg > since the status bar and time werne't changing. I told him to let it run > longer just in case it is slow like when he is asleep (night time now). > If it is indeed stuck, then it seems like his RAM went bad based on that > screen? if aht failed, it have serious problems. > My next idea is to have him do a Command and V keys. I basically want to > see its boot up screen show all of its technical texts on his screen and > where it gets stuck at if any. If it does show them and getting stuck > after a while, then to get a picture and send it to me so others and I > can read and plan what to try next. What else to try remotely for him? > He's not a technical computer user so it needs to be simple and share > with his iPhone's camera for us. worth a shot but it looks like a hardware issue. > Ironically, his AppleCare just ended after getting it over three years > ago (late summer of 2012) so it will probably be expensive to repair or > buy a new MBP if I can't fix it next week. :( if applecare just ended then they might fix it anyway for no cost.
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-23 19:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <iZWdnWOZwplt2J7LnZ2dnUU7-dOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1752 |
In comp.sys.mac.portables nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <JOednbDWmv12r57LnZ2dnUU7-Yv46u6z@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
> > As of a few hours ago after travelling far away (somewhere in Europe)
> > and using it briefly in his hotel room, my client's 13.3" MBP no longer
> > boots up fully to its updated Mac OS X v10.8.5. It gets stuck at the
> > gray Apple logo with its spinning indicator as shown in his blurry
> > iPhone photo(graph): http://i.imgur.com/uOP2XkC.jpg ... It never gets to
> > the login screen.
> >
> > Over the phone and e-mails, we briefly tried safe mode but it showed the
> > same results but at slower speeds which is expected. I told him to boot
> > it up with D key held down for its hardware test. He ran the tests, but
> > he said it got stuck too as shown in http://i.imgur.com/VQ6Yy8s.jpg
> > since the status bar and time werne't changing. I told him to let it run
> > longer just in case it is slow like when he is asleep (night time now).
> > If it is indeed stuck, then it seems like his RAM went bad based on that
> > screen?
> if aht failed, it have serious problems.
Great. I wonder what it is. I told it sounded bad if it got stuck on the
tests. :( Maybe something broke while travelling or overheated due to
the recent heat waves (100+F degrees weather). I'm waiting for his
results from his test.
> > My next idea is to have him do a Command and V keys. I basically want to
> > see its boot up screen show all of its technical texts on his screen and
> > where it gets stuck at if any. If it does show them and getting stuck
> > after a while, then to get a picture and send it to me so others and I
> > can read and plan what to try next. What else to try remotely for him?
> > He's not a technical computer user so it needs to be simple and share
> > with his iPhone's camera for us.
> worth a shot but it looks like a hardware issue.
:(
> > Ironically, his AppleCare just ended after getting it over three years
> > ago (late summer of 2012) so it will probably be expensive to repair or
> > buy a new MBP if I can't fix it next week. :(
> if applecare just ended then they might fix it anyway for no cost.
OK, we'll try it if it is not fixed by next week. I told him to go to an
Apple store in Europe, he said no. Bah.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-24 01:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d6h1f5Fk9a4U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1754 |
On 2015-09-24, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > In comp.sys.mac.portables nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> In article <JOednbDWmv12r57LnZ2dnUU7-Yv46u6z@earthlink.com>, Ant >> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > >>> I told him to boot it up with D key held down for its hardware test. >>> He ran the tests, but he said it got stuck too as shown in >>> http://i.imgur.com/VQ6Yy8s.jpg since the status bar and time werne't >>> changing. I told him to let it run longer just in case it is slow >>> like when he is asleep (night time now). If it is indeed stuck, >>> then it seems like his RAM went bad based on that screen? > >> if aht failed, it have serious problems. > > Great. I wonder what it is. I told it sounded bad if it got stuck on the > tests. :( Who says it was stuck? You only let it run for one minute and 44 seconds before you made that assumption and canceled the tests. The user interface, as you should realize by the appearance, is very minimal, meaning often during hardware tests it may *appear* nothing is happening because nothing is changing on the screen. That doesn't mean nothing is happening. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-09-23 20:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <GfWdnUVJ0qtKzZ7LnZ2dnUU7-cWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #1756 |
> >>> I told him to boot it up with D key held down for its hardware test.
> >>> He ran the tests, but he said it got stuck too as shown in
> >>> http://i.imgur.com/VQ6Yy8s.jpg since the status bar and time werne't
> >>> changing. I told him to let it run longer just in case it is slow
> >>> like when he is asleep (night time now). If it is indeed stuck,
> >>> then it seems like his RAM went bad based on that screen?
> >
> >> if aht failed, it have serious problems.
> >
> > Great. I wonder what it is. I told it sounded bad if it got stuck on the
> > tests. :(
> Who says it was stuck? You only let it run for one minute and 44 seconds
> before you made that assumption and canceled the tests. The user
> interface, as you should realize by the appearance, is very minimal,
> meaning often during hardware tests it may *appear* nothing is happening
> because nothing is changing on the screen. That doesn't mean nothing is
> happening.
No, he said it was frozen at 1 minute and 44 seconds for a long time. I
told him to let it run for hours in case it is still working like
overnight when he sleeps.
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