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  Re: Printer needed DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2015-02-28 14:41 -0800
    Re: Printer needed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-28 23:05 +0000
      Re: Printer needed Fester Bestertester <fbt@fbt.net> - 2015-02-28 21:50 -0800
        Re: Printer needed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-01 12:22 +0000
          Re: Printer needed dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-02 09:22 +1300
            Re: Printer needed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-01 20:29 +0000
            Re: Printer needed Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-01 23:36 +0000
      Re: Printer needed Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-03-02 15:09 -0500
        Re: Printer needed DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2015-03-04 22:45 -0800
          Re: Printer needed Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-03-05 12:16 -0500
            Re: Printer needed DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2015-03-05 11:45 -0800
    Re: Printer needed Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-01 07:57 -0500
      Re: Printer needed jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-02 04:01 +1300
        Re: Printer needed sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-01 18:09 +0000
      Re: Printer needed tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-01 17:10 +0000
        Re: Printer needed nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-01 12:32 -0500
          Re: Printer needed Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-01 18:23 +0000
            Re: Printer needed tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-04 02:25 +0000
    Re: Printer needed Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-03-02 20:12 -0800

#1622 — Re: Printer needed

>> Need advice!!
>> 
>> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job -- 
>> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or 
>> worse. Suggestions??
>> mitchell


> look at Brother laser printers‹I have one from 2006 which was recommended on 
> this site and is still chugging away after 70,000 copies‹Hank


for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver availability. hp 
has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS has been updated a few 
times. in my experience brother has released new drivers for old models 
regularly for new OS revisions when hp¹s solution was ³buy a new printer². 

dave

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#1623

Okay, so one time? In band camp? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> was all, like:
>>> Need advice!!
>>> 
>>> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job -- 
>>> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or 
>>> worse. Suggestions??
>>> mitchell


>> look at Brother laser printers‹I have one from 2006 which was recommended on 
>> this site and is still chugging away after 70,000 copies‹Hank


> for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver availability. hp 
> has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS has been updated a few 
> times. in my experience brother has released new drivers for old models 
> regularly for new OS revisions when hp¹s solution was ³buy a new printer². 

I've been very happy with Brother printers and their support and their
drivers. Brother is the brand I recommend to everyone over HP or Epson,
neither of which I've been much impressed with.

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#1624

> http://2blog.kreme.com
> 
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> )\[\]{};:'".,<>?«»“”‘’]))

waaa?

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#1625

On 2015-03-01, Fester Bestertester <fbt@fbt.net> wrote:

[blog spam deleted]

Couldn't resist, eh? Try more self control next time.

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#1632

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-03-01, Fester Bestertester <fbt@fbt.net> wrote:
> 
> [blog spam deleted]
> 
> Couldn't resist, eh? Try more self control next time.

It wasn't blog spam. It was a quote from Lewis's signature in the
previous post, presumably expression confusion about the regular
expression. From a random sample, it looks like Lewis's signature
recently has been random quotes from that web site.
-- 
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#1633

On 2015-03-01, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-03-01, Fester Bestertester <fbt@fbt.net> wrote:
>> 
>> [blog spam deleted]
>> 
>> Couldn't resist, eh? Try more self control next time.
>
> It wasn't blog spam. It was a quote from Lewis's signature in the
> previous post, presumably expression confusion about the regular
> expression. From a random sample, it looks like Lewis's signature
> recently has been random quotes from that web site.

Ah, okay. Thanks. I don't often pay much attention to signatures and
missed that. So I take it back then. : )

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#1634

Okay, so one time? In band camp? David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> was all, like:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2015-03-01, Fester Bestertester <fbt@fbt.net> wrote:
>> 
>> [blog spam deleted]
>> 
>> Couldn't resist, eh? Try more self control next time.

> It wasn't blog spam. It was a quote from Lewis's signature in the
> previous post, presumably expression confusion about the regular
> expression. From a random sample, it looks like Lewis's signature
> recently has been random quotes from that web site.

The signature includes the link to my blog and then a random signature
from my sigfile that I've been using and updating for years. That
particular signature was a regex for matching URLs.

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#1635

On 2/28/15 6:05 p, Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> was all, like:
>>>> Need advice!!
>>>>
>>>> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job --
>>>> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or
>>>> worse. Suggestions??
>>>> mitchell
>
>>> look at Brother laser printers‹I have one from 2006 which was recommended on
>>> this site and is still chugging away after 70,000 copies‹Hank
>
>> for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver availability. hp
>> has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS has been updated a few
>> times. in my experience brother has released new drivers for old models
>> regularly for new OS revisions when hp¹s solution was ³buy a new printer².
>
> I've been very happy with Brother printers and their support and their
> drivers. Brother is the brand I recommend to everyone over HP or Epson,
> neither of which I've been much impressed with.

Well, I'd like to be pleased with Brother printers, but I recommended a 
HL-4070CDW a few years ago to a friend as a replacement for an aging HP 
4500 because the new HPs are not supposed to be nearly as good as the 
old ones were.

We have _never_ been able to get the Brother to reproduce the color on 
the paper as it is on the screen. This is a real PITA for proofing. Yet, 
the HP, ancient as it is, still produces nearly perfect renditions of 
the screen. We've taken the HP apart several times to clean and rehab 
the rollers and feed mechanisms to keep it going because the proofing is 
essential to the workflow.

Both are PostScript printers. I tried fooling with color profiles with 
the Brother, but none of my amateur efforts worked. It's like the 
printer needs to be 'calibrated' the way you would with a monitor or 
scanner, but I don't know how to do that. I looked at Brother's website 
but found no help. There were instructions for boosting/reducing the 
output of each of the toner cartridges, but that resulted in very crude 
changes in color at best. Anyone have any suggestions? TIA

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#1638

.
> We have _never_ been able to get the Brother to reproduce the color on 
> the paper as it is on the screen. This is a real PITA for proofing. Yet, 
> the HP, ancient as it is, still produces nearly perfect renditions of 
> the screen. We've taken the HP apart several times to clean and rehab 
> the rollers and feed mechanisms to keep it going because the proofing is 
> essential to the workflow.

Don't blame the Brother. Color calibration is what you need, and it just 
happened that the HP's colors were--accidentally--closest to the colors of 
your friend's display. It could easily have been the other way 'round. 

Displays, printers, scanners, cameras: they all have their own rendition of 
"blue", "red", and "green"'; none is absolutely spot-on to the "official" 
Pantone-like standards. Calibrating each of these devices to standards is 
mandatory if you're in the business of reproducing critical colors. 

Here's a guide that lays it all out for you:

http://www.xrite.com/documents/literature/en/L11-176_Guide_to_CM_en.pdf

There are other equally good descriptions, just search. 

Of course you're using paper and ink from the same manufacturer as the 
printer, yes? They don't guarantee any accuracy at all if these variables are 
changed. Most users they won't be very picky about color accuracy, but if 
it's important to you stick with the same brand paper & ink. 

Good luck. 

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#1639

On 3/5/15 1:45 a, DaveC wrote:
> .
>> We have _never_ been able to get the Brother to reproduce the color on
>> the paper as it is on the screen. This is a real PITA for proofing. Yet,
>> the HP, ancient as it is, still produces nearly perfect renditions of
>> the screen. We've taken the HP apart several times to clean and rehab
>> the rollers and feed mechanisms to keep it going because the proofing is
>> essential to the workflow.
>
> Don't blame the Brother. Color calibration is what you need, and it just
> happened that the HP's colors were--accidentally--closest to the colors of
> your friend's display. It could easily have been the other way 'round.
>
> Displays, printers, scanners, cameras: they all have their own rendition of
> "blue", "red", and "green"'; none is absolutely spot-on to the "official"
> Pantone-like standards. Calibrating each of these devices to standards is
> mandatory if you're in the business of reproducing critical colors.
>
> Here's a guide that lays it all out for you:
>
> http://www.xrite.com/documents/literature/en/L11-176_Guide_to_CM_en.pdf
>
> There are other equally good descriptions, just search.
>
> Of course you're using paper and ink from the same manufacturer as the
> printer, yes? They don't guarantee any accuracy at all if these variables are
> changed. Most users they won't be very picky about color accuracy, but if
> it's important to you stick with the same brand paper & ink.
>
> Good luck.

Thanks for the response, DaveC. I read the guide you reference a long 
time ago and never had good luck calibrating printers or generating the 
relevant color profiles, but I'll give it another go.

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#1640

> Thanks for the response, DaveC. I read the guide you reference a long 
> time ago and never had good luck calibrating printers or generating the 
> relevant color profiles, but I'll give it another go.

One part of the calibration process is of course calibrating the monitor. 
This requires a piece of additional hardware, a small camera, or "eye". You 
stick it to the face of the display and it reads the colors put up on the 
display by the calibration software. 

One process:

http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/category.aspx?ca=2

There are others.

Good luck.

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#1626

On 2015.02.28 17:41 , DaveC wrote:
>>> Need advice!!
>>>
>>> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job --
>>> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or
>>> worse. Suggestions??
>>> mitchell
>
>
>> look at Brother laser printers‹I have one from 2006 which was recommended on
>> this site and is still chugging away after 70,000 copies‹Hank
>
>
> for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver availability. hp
> has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS has been updated a few
> times. in my experience brother has released new drivers for old models
> regularly for new OS revisions when hp¹s solution was ³buy a new printer².

I have all sorts of printers and no issues with support for Mac - even 
my getting ancient Epson 3800 has an up to date Yosemite driver.

I avoid HP like the plague.  Mainly because you can't install any of 
their crap without dealing with a pile of poorly executed bolt on ware 
that is cartoonish crap that never quite works as promised.

I agree that Brother laser printers just do the job with no fuss.  I 
have one here at home.

-- 
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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#1627

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2015.02.28 17:41 , DaveC wrote:
> >>> Need advice!!
> >>>
> >>> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job --
> >>> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or
> >>> worse. Suggestions??
> >>> mitchell
> >
> >
> >> look at Brother laser printers?I have one from 2006 which was
> >> recommended on this site and is still chugging away after 70,000
> >> copies?Hank
> >
> >
> > for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver
> > availability. hp has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS
> > has been updated a few times. in my experience brother has released new
> > drivers for old models regularly for new OS revisions when hp?s solution
> > was ?buy a new printer?.
> 
> I have all sorts of printers and no issues with support for Mac - even
> my getting ancient Epson 3800 has an up to date Yosemite driver.
> 
> I avoid HP like the plague.  Mainly because you can't install any of 
> their crap without dealing with a pile of poorly executed bolt on ware
> that is cartoonish crap that never quite works as promised.
> 
> I agree that Brother laser printers just do the job with no fuss.  I 
> have one here at home.

I like Brother lasers for home and small offices. They're not very
ruggedly built, but for modest use they go the distance and give great
value. Their software has been trouble-free IME.

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#1630

On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 04:01:39 +1300, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:


>> I agree that Brother laser printers just do the job with no fuss.  I
>> have one here at home.
> 
> I like Brother lasers for home and small offices. They're not very
> ruggedly built, but for modest use they go the distance and give great
> value. Their software has been trouble-free IME.

I have two Brother lasers, an older HL-1440 with both USB and Parallel 
ports, and a newer 2270DW wireless printer.  Both work on any of my 
operating systems, OSX, Linux, OS/2 and XP/7.  Never used any of the 
provided software on Linux, as it already found it.  Brother even had 
OS/2 drivers for the HL-1440.

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#1628

On 2015-03-01, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.02.28 17:41 , DaveC wrote:
>>>> Need advice!!
>>>>
>>>> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job --
>>>> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or
>>>> worse. Suggestions??
>>>> mitchell
>>
>>
>>> look at Brother laser printers‹I have one from 2006 which was recommended on
>>> this site and is still chugging away after 70,000 copies‹Hank
>>
>>
>> for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver availability. hp
>> has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS has been updated a few
>> times. in my experience brother has released new drivers for old models
>> regularly for new OS revisions when hp¹s solution was ³buy a new printer².
>
> I have all sorts of printers and no issues with support for Mac - even 
> my getting ancient Epson 3800 has an up to date Yosemite driver.
>
> I avoid HP like the plague.  Mainly because you can't install any of 
> their crap without dealing with a pile of poorly executed bolt on ware 
> that is cartoonish crap that never quite works as promised.

Actually I've never had a problem with HPs software.  The problem I've had is
that when Apple does a MacOS update, features of the printer requiring a
firmware update (i.e. scan to network folder and the folder is on your mac) stop
working and HP does nothing to update the firmware to resolve it.

My next printer will probably be from Canon, since I do a lot of photography.

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#1629

In article <slrnmf6i0s.2l7k.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>, tmo1138
<tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:

> 
> My next printer will probably be from Canon, since I do a lot of photography.

if you do a lot of photography, then you should get an epson printer.
the results will be much better than anything canon could ever do. some
of canon's photo printers don't even do cmyk, they're cmy. that's bad.

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#1631

On 2015-03-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnmf6i0s.2l7k.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>, tmo1138
><tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
>
>> 
>> My next printer will probably be from Canon, since I do a lot of photography.
>
> if you do a lot of photography, then you should get an epson printer.
> the results will be much better than anything canon could ever do. some
> of canon's photo printers don't even do cmyk, they're cmy. that's bad.

Meh. I get terrific photo prints out of my Canon iX6520.

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#1637

On 2015-03-01, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <slrnmf6i0s.2l7k.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>, tmo1138
>><tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> My next printer will probably be from Canon, since I do a lot of photography.
>>
>> if you do a lot of photography, then you should get an epson printer.
>> the results will be much better than anything canon could ever do. some
>> of canon's photo printers don't even do cmyk, they're cmy. that's bad.
>
> Meh. I get terrific photo prints out of my Canon iX6520.
>

I know someone who has the predecessor to the PIXMA PRO-10 and he said it was
outstanding.. *shrugs*


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#1636

In article 
<0001HW.D1178423043E8928B01029BF@news.eternal-september.org>,
 DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> >> Need advice!!
> >> 
> >> Need an inexpensive laser printer that can do the occasional large job -- 
> >> couple hundred pages within a few hours -- without being overwhelmed or 
> >> worse. Suggestions??
> >> mitchell
> 
> 
> > look at Brother laser printers?I have one from 2006 which was recommended 
> > on 
> > this site and is still chugging away after 70,000 copies?Hank
> 
> 
> for mac users it is important to give some thought to driver availability. hp 
> has some history of discontinuing drivers after the OS has been updated a few 
> times. in my experience brother has released new drivers for old models 
> regularly for new OS revisions when hp1s solution was 3buy a new printer2. 
> 
> dave

Yep. Bought a HL-5250DN because it could be networked, thus not taking 
up a USB port.  They don't make it any more but it's still going strong 
after 3 years.  I buy a large capacity toner cartridge about 1/year and 
a 5000 sheet box of paper.  I've only had to buy 1 drum replacement.

If you don't care about USB ports, my boss loves this printer

<http://www.staples.com/Brother-HLL-2320D-Mono-Laser-Printer/product_1074
269>

while we use a Canon Color Laser printer that costs $1K.

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