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God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account

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  God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 13:50 -0400
    Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> - 2024-09-22 21:25 -0600
      Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 23:22 -0400
        Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 11:53 -0400
    Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-26 17:00 +0000
      Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-09-27 09:14 -0400
        Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-09-27 07:27 -0700
        Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:38 -0700
          Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 19:50 -0400
          Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-09-28 09:13 -0400
        Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-27 23:44 +0000
        Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-09-28 09:18 +0100
          Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-09-28 09:50 -0700
            Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-09-29 09:33 +0100
              Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-09-29 19:29 -0700
                Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-09-30 08:33 +0100
                  Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-09-30 07:56 -0700
            Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 10:51 -0400
        Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-28 23:05 +0000
          Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 10:52 -0400
            Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-09-29 19:30 -0700
              Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:54 -0400
              Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-30 19:40 +0000
                Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 11:06 -0400
                  Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-02 10:20 +0000
                    Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-10-02 07:36 -0700
            Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 10:35 -0700
              Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:47 -0400
                Re: God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 13:30 -0700

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#47781 — God of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account

FromSpalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-20 13:50 -0400
SubjectGod of War: Rakgnarok for PC requires PSN account
Message-ID<sucrejp4g9f4sr496njb11mm4ii56pf47d@4ax.com>
Well, I'm sure that will make PC gamers happy. There's nothing they
like more than being forced to sign up for yet another extraneous
service... especially for a stand-along single-player game. I don't
even have to go to the store page to guess that the game is probably
(and rightfully, IMHO) being review-bombed for this requirement.

At least Sony was more upfront with this requirement than it was with
"Helldivers 2", making it clear from the start that if you wanted
"Ragnarok" you were going to have to get a PSN account. Still, this
minimal extra transparency doesn't make the requirement any more
welcome.

Especially since PSN isn't available in all regions (which means that
people in some countries won't be able to play the game at all), and
-at least in some areas- creating a PSN account either requires
sharing your cell-phone number with Sony, or showing them government
ID to prove your identity. 

And all this for "God of War: Ragnarok"? It was an okay game, but I
never saw it as a stand-out game. It wasn't one of those 'must have'
titles. "Helldivers 2" received a lot more hype, and even with that
game Sony had to back down on the PSN requirement (that requirement
also arguably made more sense, since it was an online game).

Maybe this sort of crap is what Playstation CEO Hideaki Nishino meant
when he said PCs were "too difficult to set up." If only there was
something he could have done about that...

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#47802

FromPW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com>
Date2024-09-22 21:25 -0600
Message-ID<5on1fj55glbfrr5n75iok9ou23pglpvj6m@4ax.com>
In reply to#47781
Yep!  And I almost immediately requested a refund.  I really liked the
last one but I do not remember having to register a Playstation
account for the PC version.

-pw

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#47823

FromSpalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-24 23:22 -0400
Message-ID<4c07fjl5u9jnfejthlr3hjj8nnh3tdnl3i@4ax.com>
In reply to#47802
On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 21:25:17 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>Yep!  And I almost immediately requested a refund.  I really liked the
>last one but I do not remember having to register a Playstation
>account for the PC version.

Nope, the fourth "God of War" game did not require a PSN account.
Download it on Steam and immediately start playing; that was all that
was necessary.

"Ragnarok" immediately made it onto my "no play" list because of this
requirement.

But since I found "Ragnarok" to be the inferior of the two games on
the Playstation, I'm not really that upset that I won't be playing it
on PC. "Ragnarok" lacked the compelling story and the pacing was just
awful. It just went on and on and on.

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#47849

FromSpalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-26 11:53 -0400
Message-ID<rg0bfjt5cakeddlt7qnsmj1bkmu6fadhja@4ax.com>
In reply to#47823
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:22:35 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 21:25:17 -0600, PW
><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>>Yep!  And I almost immediately requested a refund.  I really liked the
>>last one but I do not remember having to register a Playstation
>>account for the PC version.
>
>Nope, the fourth "God of War" game did not require a PSN account.
>Download it on Steam and immediately start playing; that was all that
>was necessary.
>
>"Ragnarok" immediately made it onto my "no play" list because of this
>requirement.
>
>But since I found "Ragnarok" to be the inferior of the two games on
>the Playstation, I'm not really that upset that I won't be playing it
>on PC. "Ragnarok" lacked the compelling story and the pacing was just
>awful. It just went on and on and on.
>
Side note: there was a brief-lived mod on Nexus that allowed you to
play the game without using PSN. It apparently replaced all the PSN
dynamic library files and just launched the game directly, bypassing
that nonsense entirely.

Unfortunately, it was up for less than a day before Nexus removed it.
Partly out of fear from Sony, as it could have been seen as a way to
bypass 'copy protection', and partly -as I understand it- because it
included DLLs from Microsoft's networking stack, which would have
opened Nexus up to copyright violation claims.

But it just shows how unnecessary the whole PSN requirement is, and
how easy it would be for Sony to strip it out. Hopefully the modder
who did the hard work will modify their patch in a way that will make
it more acceptable for Nexus to host. I still wouldn't rush out to buy
GOW:Ragnarok (I just don't think the game is that good) but if I did
get my hands on a copy -through a HumbleChoice bundle, or whatever-
I'd at least be able to play it without jumping through Sony's
ridiculous hoops.

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#47854

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2024-09-26 17:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvfb4fa.f0p0.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#47781
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:50 this Friday (GMT):
>
> Well, I'm sure that will make PC gamers happy. There's nothing they
> like more than being forced to sign up for yet another extraneous
> service... especially for a stand-along single-player game. I don't
> even have to go to the store page to guess that the game is probably
> (and rightfully, IMHO) being review-bombed for this requirement.
>
> At least Sony was more upfront with this requirement than it was with
> "Helldivers 2", making it clear from the start that if you wanted
> "Ragnarok" you were going to have to get a PSN account. Still, this
> minimal extra transparency doesn't make the requirement any more
> welcome.
>
> Especially since PSN isn't available in all regions (which means that
> people in some countries won't be able to play the game at all), and
> -at least in some areas- creating a PSN account either requires
> sharing your cell-phone number with Sony, or showing them government
> ID to prove your identity. 
>
> And all this for "God of War: Ragnarok"? It was an okay game, but I
> never saw it as a stand-out game. It wasn't one of those 'must have'
> titles. "Helldivers 2" received a lot more hype, and even with that
> game Sony had to back down on the PSN requirement (that requirement
> also arguably made more sense, since it was an online game).
>
> Maybe this sort of crap is what Playstation CEO Hideaki Nishino meant
> when he said PCs were "too difficult to set up." If only there was
> something he could have done about that...


Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#47865

FromMike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
Date2024-09-27 09:14 -0400
Message-ID<pobdfjt254tnj6of2ppi616peura020grq@4ax.com>
In reply to#47854
On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

>Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.

Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.

I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
That tells me that is definitely enough!

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#47867

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2024-09-27 07:27 -0700
Message-ID<vd6fcq$oqgj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47865
On 9/27/2024 6:14 AM, Mike S. wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> 
>> Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
> 
> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
> 
> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
> That tells me that is definitely enough!

I have just Steam and GOG.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.

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#47868

FromJustisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-27 09:38 -0700
Message-ID<364b92675d2cb0795cb93c6a80e65319dd46d247@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#47865
On 9/27/2024 6:14 AM, Mike S. wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> 
>> Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
> 
> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.

I have those plus PSN, Nintendo, Epic, Amazon*, Apple, Google*, 
Microsoft and Roblox.  I've probably got some others that I haven't used 
in so long I don't remember.

*I haven't had an android for at least 6 years, so haven't used my 
google account for games in that time, and there's Twitch which moved 
all their games to Amazon.  Battlenet I hadn't logged on to since within 
6 months of D3 and only did it for D4 on gamepass early this month, and 
will probably never do so again.

I have a Warframe account, but that's for the game, not a client 
fortunately, I probably have a ton of those, oh yeah Homecoming for City 
of Heroes.

You could possibly count Youtube & Netflix since they both have games 
now, but I've not actually tried any of those, unless you count the Puss 
in Boots choose your own story video on Netflix.

Yes it's way, way too many.

-- 
-Justisaur

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#47874

FromSpalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-27 19:50 -0400
Message-ID<5vgefj5ukob8u6gpq6eb8jni911465g6qs@4ax.com>
In reply to#47868
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 09:38:15 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/27/2024 6:14 AM, Mike S. wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
>> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
>> 
>> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
>
>I have those plus PSN, Nintendo, Epic, Amazon*, Apple, Google*, 
>Microsoft and Roblox.  I've probably got some others that I haven't used 
>in so long I don't remember.
>
>*I haven't had an android for at least 6 years, so haven't used my 
>google account for games in that time, and there's Twitch which moved 
>all their games to Amazon.  Battlenet I hadn't logged on to since within 
>6 months of D3 and only did it for D4 on gamepass early this month, and 
>will probably never do so again.
>
>I have a Warframe account, but that's for the game, not a client 
>fortunately, I probably have a ton of those, oh yeah Homecoming for City 
>of Heroes.
>
>You could possibly count Youtube & Netflix since they both have games 
>now, but I've not actually tried any of those, unless you count the Puss 
>in Boots choose your own story video on Netflix.
>
>Yes it's way, way too many.

Yeah. I've accumulated a number as well (including those mentioned
above EA, Rockstar, UPlay, IndieGo, etc.) It's really annoying. But
it's an aggregate formed over decades of video-game play. I really
only _buy_ from Steam and GOG, with a bit of side-hustles from Amazon
and HumbleBundle. 

I know Epic/EA/etc. think that by forcing their clients and accounts
on me, they'll get me to start buying direct from them, but it ain't
happening. They're just annoying middleware.

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#47884

FromMike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
Date2024-09-28 09:13 -0400
Message-ID<o60gfjp1hqpnh3olnsd9v0r5ov4t2346cj@4ax.com>
In reply to#47868
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 09:38:15 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I have those plus PSN, Nintendo, Epic, Amazon*, Apple, Google*, 
>Microsoft and Roblox.  I've probably got some others that I haven't used 
>in so long I don't remember.

Son of a bitch I forgot Epic.

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#47871

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2024-09-27 23:44 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvfdqk2.1skt.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#47865
Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 13:14 this Friday (GMT):
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>
>>Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
>
> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
>
> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
> That tells me that is definitely enough!


I have steam and nintendo. maybe some misc webgame accounts too?
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#47881

FromJAB <noway@nochance.com>
Date2024-09-28 09:18 +0100
Message-ID<vd8e4e$15ljv$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47865
On 27/09/2024 14:14, Mike S. wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> 
>> Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
> 
> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
> 
> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
> That tells me that is definitely enough!

Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had its 
own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on Steam. The 
good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the refund option!

Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even as a 
freebie.

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#47894

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2024-09-28 09:50 -0700
Message-ID<vd9c57$1b5kh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47881
On 9/28/2024 1:18 AM, JAB wrote:
> On 27/09/2024 14:14, Mike S. wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
>> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>
>>> Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
>>
>> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
>>
>> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
>> That tells me that is definitely enough!
> 
> Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
> accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had its 
> own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on Steam. The 
> good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the refund option!
> 
> Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even as a 
> freebie.

"The Amazon Effect".  Getting spoiled by one-stop shopping.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.

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#47901

FromJAB <noway@nochance.com>
Date2024-09-29 09:33 +0100
Message-ID<vdb3c9$1malm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47894
On 28/09/2024 17:50, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
>> accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had 
>> its own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on 
>> Steam. The good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the 
>> refund option!
>>
>> Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even as 
>> a freebie.
> 
> "The Amazon Effect".  Getting spoiled by one-stop shopping.

That's definitely a part of it. The nice thing about Amazon is they are 
probably going to have what you want at decent price and you know up 
front if anything goes wrong it's fairly hassle free.

Saying that I do try and avoid them if I can so for books/CDs/DVDs I go 
to World of Books and for a lot of other stuff I use a shop called 
Argos*. That in many ways is a relic of the old days when someone took 
the idea of buying things from a catalogue at home and said maybe we can 
have a physical store with the twist that all the goods are stored in a 
warehouse which is part of the store. So walk in, place your order and 
give it to a cashier. Wait maybe five minutes and hey presto you have 
your item. Of course it has moved with the times so now they have an 
online presence and in-shop it's all touch screen terminals for placing 
your order - so no longer a source of free pens.

*The catalogue has basically become iconic in the UK and for those of 
the right age is know as the laminated books of dreams.

https://retromash.com/argos/

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#47916

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2024-09-29 19:29 -0700
Message-ID<vdd2e6$22uhp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47901
On 9/29/2024 1:33 AM, JAB wrote:
> On 28/09/2024 17:50, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
>>> accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had 
>>> its own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on 
>>> Steam. The good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the 
>>> refund option!
>>>
>>> Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even as 
>>> a freebie.
>>
>> "The Amazon Effect".  Getting spoiled by one-stop shopping.
> 
> That's definitely a part of it. The nice thing about Amazon is they are 
> probably going to have what you want at decent price and you know up 
> front if anything goes wrong it's fairly hassle free.
> 
> Saying that I do try and avoid them if I can so for books/CDs/DVDs 

Understandable but not really an option in the US.  The last remaining 
book seller competition to Amazon here is Barnes & Noble and they are a 
shadow of what they used to be.  They were also the only brick-n-mortar 
alternative for CDs/DVDs/BRs but I don't even know if they stock those 
anymore.  Walmart and to other stores that used to sell optical discs 
have all stopped because of streaming, though that's not really Amazon's 
doing.  All the rights holding studios are responsible for the 
destruction of the disc market, trying to kill the at home viewing on 
disc for streaming by preventing consumers from actually owning a copy. 
Even RedBox is kaput, folded up and went bankrupt shortly after Netflix 
shut down their disc by mail rental arm.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.

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#47925

FromJAB <noway@nochance.com>
Date2024-09-30 08:33 +0100
Message-ID<vddk96$251o3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47916
On 30/09/2024 03:29, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 9/29/2024 1:33 AM, JAB wrote:
>> On 28/09/2024 17:50, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
>>>> accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had 
>>>> its own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on 
>>>> Steam. The good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the 
>>>> refund option!
>>>>
>>>> Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even 
>>>> as a freebie.
>>>
>>> "The Amazon Effect".  Getting spoiled by one-stop shopping.
>>
>> That's definitely a part of it. The nice thing about Amazon is they 
>> are probably going to have what you want at decent price and you know 
>> up front if anything goes wrong it's fairly hassle free.
>>
>> Saying that I do try and avoid them if I can so for books/CDs/DVDs 
> 
> Understandable but not really an option in the US.  The last remaining 
> book seller competition to Amazon here is Barnes & Noble and they are a 
> shadow of what they used to be.  They were also the only brick-n-mortar 
> alternative for CDs/DVDs/BRs but I don't even know if they stock those 
> anymore.  Walmart and to other stores that used to sell optical discs 
> have all stopped because of streaming, though that's not really Amazon's 
> doing.  All the rights holding studios are responsible for the 
> destruction of the disc market, trying to kill the at home viewing on 
> disc for streaming by preventing consumers from actually owning a copy. 
> Even RedBox is kaput, folded up and went bankrupt shortly after Netflix 
> shut down their disc by mail rental arm.
> 

World of Books is an online operation only (based not that far from were 
I live strangely enough) which deals mostly in second hand 
books/CDs/DVDs. For books it's really good value as you can get a 
hardback in very good condition for probably an average of £5 if that.

I think they do have an operation in the US.

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#47932

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2024-09-30 07:56 -0700
Message-ID<vdee7a$29bb7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47925
On 9/30/2024 12:33 AM, JAB wrote:
> On 30/09/2024 03:29, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 9/29/2024 1:33 AM, JAB wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2024 17:50, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
>>>>> accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had 
>>>>> its own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on 
>>>>> Steam. The good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the 
>>>>> refund option!
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even 
>>>>> as a freebie.
>>>>
>>>> "The Amazon Effect".  Getting spoiled by one-stop shopping.
>>>
>>> That's definitely a part of it. The nice thing about Amazon is they 
>>> are probably going to have what you want at decent price and you know 
>>> up front if anything goes wrong it's fairly hassle free.
>>>
>>> Saying that I do try and avoid them if I can so for books/CDs/DVDs 
>>
>> Understandable but not really an option in the US.  The last remaining 
>> book seller competition to Amazon here is Barnes & Noble and they are 
>> a shadow of what they used to be.  They were also the only brick-n- 
>> mortar alternative for CDs/DVDs/BRs but I don't even know if they 
>> stock those anymore.  Walmart and to other stores that used to sell 
>> optical discs have all stopped because of streaming, though that's not 
>> really Amazon's doing.  All the rights holding studios are responsible 
>> for the destruction of the disc market, trying to kill the at home 
>> viewing on disc for streaming by preventing consumers from actually 
>> owning a copy. Even RedBox is kaput, folded up and went bankrupt 
>> shortly after Netflix shut down their disc by mail rental arm.
>>
> 
> World of Books is an online operation only (based not that far from were 
> I live strangely enough) which deals mostly in second hand books/CDs/ 
> DVDs. For books it's really good value as you can get a hardback in very 
> good condition for probably an average of £5 if that.
> 
> I think they do have an operation in the US.

For me personally the "used" part is the killer.  I want NEW, as in 
newly written books, newly released movies and shows.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.

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#47907

FromSpalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-29 10:51 -0400
Message-ID<b2qifj1gndbc6fj9niteg9pp39dgu9j156@4ax.com>
In reply to#47894
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:50:49 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 9/28/2024 1:18 AM, JAB wrote:
>> On 27/09/2024 14:14, Mike S. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
>>> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
>>>
>>> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
>>>
>>> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
>>> That tells me that is definitely enough!
>> 
>> Steam and GoG also although it's possible that I do have some other 
>> accounts that I've forgotten about. The last game I bought that had its 
>> own client was I think Battlefield 1 as it was dirt cheap on Steam. The 
>> good thing was it meant I could finally get to use the refund option!
>> 
>> Basically if a game isn't on Steam or GoG I just won't get it even as a 
>> freebie.
>
>"The Amazon Effect".  Getting spoiled by one-stop shopping.

It's why companies are so desperate to get you to sign up for their
services that they'll toss oodles of free stuff at you just so you
make an account. Because it's a provable fact that once you get people
over that first hurdle, they are magnitudes more likely to buy from
you. One-click shopping is incredibly difficult to resist.

That's why if you really want to save money, you need to close those
accounts (something companies make incredibly difficult, natch) or
make it so you can no longer access it (change the password to
something random and don't write it down, then change the recovery
password to something you can't access). Human nature being what it
is, you're far less likely to go through the bother of re-opening a
new account than just deciding to do without.

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#47898

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2024-09-28 23:05 +0000
Message-ID<vda23n$1d23v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#47865
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 09:14:32 -0400, Mike S. wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> 
>>Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
> 
> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
> 
> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
> That tells me that is definitely enough!

I think I have Epic(?), whatever was needed for the Just Cause series.

Now I'm Linux-only, and just use Steam.  Haven't found it to be a
hindrance yet, latest purchases were _Tiny Tina's Wonderland_
and _Fort Solis_.

Not done with _Tiny Tina's Wonderland_ yet, looking forward to
_Fort Solis_ based on the discussion in this very 'froup.

Thank you all (esp. Spalls!) for your continued discussion.

-- 
-Scott System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
   "It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit!"

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#47908

FromSpalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-29 10:52 -0400
Message-ID<4cqifjtpmt189bisku957h7kmkiav086qk@4ax.com>
In reply to#47898
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 23:05:28 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 09:14:32 -0400, Mike S. wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
>> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> 
>>>Creating new accounts for a game is an instant turnoff for me.
>> 
>> Yeah, me too. I have Steam, GOG, Uplay, EA and BattleNet.
>> 
>> I actually had to think for a minute or so to see if I forgot any.
>> That tells me that is definitely enough!
>
>I think I have Epic(?), whatever was needed for the Just Cause series.
>
>Now I'm Linux-only, and just use Steam.  Haven't found it to be a
>hindrance yet, latest purchases were _Tiny Tina's Wonderland_
>and _Fort Solis_.
>
>Not done with _Tiny Tina's Wonderland_ yet, looking forward to
>_Fort Solis_ based on the discussion in this very 'froup.
>
>Thank you all (esp. Spalls!) for your continued discussion.

Heheh, don't take it personally. I'd continue the discussion even if
there was nobody here 

(as many people here will probably attest ;-)



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