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  Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-10 23:35 +0100
    Re: Digital switchover Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 07:32 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:48 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:17 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:49 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 20:36 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:24 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:37 +0100
                  Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 16:09 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 21:22 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 22:00 +0100
                    Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-22 00:10 +0100
                    Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 20:11 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 21:00 +0000
                        Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:11 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:24 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:16 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 10:15 +0100
                          Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 12:11 +0100
                            Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-27 11:20 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-25 23:20 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 01:00 +0100
                          Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:38 +0100
                            Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 18:32 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:37 +0100
                          Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-26 16:02 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:06 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:26 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Adrian Crafer <acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:00 +0000
    Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:17 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:21 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:35 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 15:12 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:00 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:18 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:14 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:23 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:46 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:15 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:28 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:42 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:26 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 11:37 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 12:30 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 13:12 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:27 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:59 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 15:03 +0100
                    Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-14 17:13 +0100
                      Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-14 18:04 +0100
                        Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-15 21:54 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:24 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:33 +0100
                  Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 21:38 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:27 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:18 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:42 +0100
    Re: Digital switchover druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:32 +0100
      Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 11:08 +0100
        Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:29 +0100
          Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
            Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 00:05 +0100
              Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-13 10:48 +0100
                Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100

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#5349

In article <e466ffde5c.chris@mytardis>,
   Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5cdef4c6a6dnews@triffid.co.uk>
>           Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <06e3b2de5c.chris@mytardis>,
> >    Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> >> In message <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>
> >>           Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > [Snip]

> >>> BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

> >> So you know who to go to then!

> > Indeed!

> >> I am hopefully covering this next week on Wednesday evening in my
> >> WROCC talk.


> > Unfortunately Wakefield is (As the crow files) 205 miles North from
> > where I hang out on the South coast...  :-)

> > By following the roads 350 to 390 miles.  :-/

> Well you could watch on Zoom Live as we do not have any physical
> meetings anymore ever since Covid. The meetings are all recorded and on
> YouTube.

> See our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@wrocc-riscos

Thanks for that link Chris, after the next meeting I'll go and watch.

Dave

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#5341

In article <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>,

<Big snip>


> BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

> > As Theo wrote:
> > But it does
> > make it more complicated, especially for those who want to keep things
> > simple like they were before.

On t'internet there is confusing advice as to whether you can keep your
existing landline number if you go for an independent provider. Anyone
know the real answer? Obviously with mobile porting you can keep your
number.

-- 
Chris Newman

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#5342

On 25 May, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

> On t'internet there is confusing advice as to whether you can keep your
> existing landline number if you go for an independent provider. Anyone
> know the real answer? Obviously with mobile porting you can keep your
> number.

I believe they have to keep your old landline number available for 30 
days. I was issued a temporary number when switching from Plusnet to EE, 
and was able to get my old number back.
-- 
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted
line. He caught every other fish.

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#5344

In message <8aecc1de5c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>
          Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

> On 25 May, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

>> On t'internet there is confusing advice as to whether you can keep your
>> existing landline number if you go for an independent provider. Anyone
>> know the real answer? Obviously with mobile porting you can keep your
>> number.

> I believe they have to keep your old landline number available for 30
> days. I was issued a temporary number when switching from Plusnet to EE,
> and was able to get my old number back.

Yep, that the basic rule per the regulator OFCOM

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5348

On 26 May, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <8aecc1de5c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk> Brian Howlett
> <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

[snip]

>> I believe they have to keep your old landline number available for 30
>> days. I was issued a temporary number when switching from Plusnet to EE,
>> and was able to get my old number back.

> Yep, that the basic rule per the regulator OFCOM

Except that I heard from EE earlier today that the order to renumber has 
failed twice, so they're having to get Openreach to update records before 
they place the order again.

Ho hum...
-- 
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
---------------------------------------------------------------
Every 4 seconds a woman has a baby. Our problem is to find this
woman and stop her.

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#5343

In message <5cdeb8bfcdmec@npost.uk>
          Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

> In article <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>,

> <Big snip>


>> BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

>>> As Theo wrote:
>>> But it does
>>> make it more complicated, especially for those who want to keep things
>>> simple like they were before.

> On t'internet there is confusing advice as to whether you can keep your
> existing landline number if you go for an independent provider. Anyone
> know the real answer? Obviously with mobile porting you can keep your
> number.

I'll try and cover this next week as well.

But basically you can keep your existing phone number within certain 
timelimits and rules.

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5347

In article <3dceebde5c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5cdeb8bfcdmec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

> > In article <5cdea7798ednews@triffid.co.uk>,

> > <Big snip>


> >> BTW. Yes Orpheus Internet does have a VOIP service available...

> >>> As Theo wrote: But it does make it more complicated, especially for
> >>> those who want to keep things simple like they were before.

> > On t'internet there is confusing advice as to whether you can keep
> > your existing landline number if you go for an independent provider.
> > Anyone know the real answer? Obviously with mobile porting you can
> > keep your number.

> I'll try and cover this next week as well.

> But basically you can keep your existing phone number within certain
> timelimits and rules.

Ta.

-- 
Chris Newman

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#5294

In message <5cd75e3dc2dnews@triffid.co.uk>
          Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5cd75c5829dnews@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <5cd743ba15mec@npost.uk>,
>>    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <5cd72c4cb9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
>>> wrote:

>> [Snip]

>>> Does the entrypoint then have a big router into which you've plugged
>>> the CAT cable?

>> [Snip]

>> No, the main router is in the office.

>> "When" the BT kit is installed at the front of the house, the CAT 5e
>> cable will connect to their kit and also connect to the router in the
>> office at the back of the house.

>> Dave

> Mmnnn!
> Just thought of a question myself.

> I guess I'll lose two Router sockets at the changeover, one for the Cat5e
> input and a second one for the new phone connection.

> Is that the case?

Most ISP supplied routers if you are using their Voice service will have a 
separate Digital Voice socket (depends on model supplied I suspect). Plus 
some have a separate WAN socket for the connection to the ONT.


-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5297

On 11 May, Chris Newman wrote in message
    <5cd743ba15mec@npost.uk>:

> Does the entryoint then have a big router into which you've plugged the
> CAT cable?

No, in most cases between your the router and the fibre coming into your
house is another box: the Optical Network Terminator or ONT. This does what
it says on the tin, converting the optical data into electrical data on a
piece of CAT5. The CAT5 then loops into your ISP's router.

There are some "all in one" ONTs and routers, but Openreach seem to prefer
that you have their ONT and your ISP's router.

In most cases the ONT and router will be sat next to each other with a short
CAT5 patch lead between them. However, there's nothing to stop you having
several (tens of) metres of cable between them if that is better for your
setup.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#5282

In message <5cd72c4cb9dave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5cd7009a73mec@npost.uk>,
>    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,

>> The time is looming it seem. I have no idea when the cut off point is for
>> us here in Portsmouth (I think we're well down the list) but my provider
>> PlusNet is not going to do voip phone, only broadband.

>> I want to keep my landline.[Snippy]

> Chris,
> Here in Bournemouth, we also don't have a date...

> My problem is similar to yours, in that the entry point is at the front of
> the house, and our office with all the equipment is at the back of the
> house, and to hopefully sort that out...
> I've installed a Cat5e cable through the loft (In a conduit) from the
> front entry point to the office.

> I still have to terminate each end of the cable, but being busy ATM with
> other matters, that'll have to wait.  :-)

> (Fitting plugs on network cables is always a PITA)

> This is the latest info I have...

> "BT has extended its deadline for shutting down the traditional analogue
> copper-wire phone network (PSTN) across the UK to January 31, 2027"

> Dave

Richard at Orpheus offer some interface options for VOIP which allow you 
to connect an existing internal phone network to the Orpheus VOIP service. 
He might be prepared to sell an interface to you even if you are not one 
of his Internet Customers. They are generic pieces of equipment, not 
specific to Orpheus.

Adrian

-- 


acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk

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#5283

In message <5cd700d29dmec@npost.uk>
          Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:


> Hi,

> The time is looming it seem. I have no idea when the cut off point is for
> us here in Portsmouth (I think we're well down the list) but my provider
> PlusNet is not going to do voip phone, only broadband.

The official end date for PSTN (POTS) Analogue phone lines is now January 
31st 2027.

> I want to keep my landline.

OK, you have at least 2 options then. Stay with PlusNet and move your 
landline phone number to an independent VoIP provider (there are a fair 
few of them) - The independent VoIP providers are generally cheaper for 
running costs and Phone call charges. Note: OFCOM the regulator has rules 
in place regarding losing of phone number, they have to be kept available 
for a maximum of 30 days of the phone line being terminated so you can 
move to a independent provider.

The other option is as you mention below move to an alternative provider 
like EE, Zen, TalkTalk, or Sky for example. Which might be simpler, but 
running costs tend to be higher

> To that end, they have offered to move me over to EE at a very reasonable
> rate. EE is another provider in that group with BT.

> EE apparently will give you a free adapter to put your phone anywhere in
> the house, not just plugged in to the router.
> I'm hoping that adapter or another will allow me to keep the 4 phones I
> currently have wired around the house.

Yes you can still use your existing phones around the house (wired or DECT 
phones) In your case it would be Voice Reinjection, there is plenty of 
information on this on the Internet (make sure the information is 
current!)

> My wife next door can do that with virgin so presumably it's possible.

Virgin is a completely different system and does not use the Openreach 
network.

> I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to the
> front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance 'cause my
> current router is in the back top bedroom which I use as an office. The
> signal currently goes easily all round the premises.

Are you moving to FTTP/FTTH, i.e. Full Fibre?

If so your installer will hopefully be prepared to install your new Full 
Fibre connection nearer where you want it. Mine was moved from the front 
to the back of the property.  Note: That Full Fibre cable does not like 
sharp bends so they tend to do looser cabling round corners.

If you are staying on the old line but with a digital phone service, then 
you can put your new router in the same place as your existing one. How is 
the router currently connected to the master socket near the front door?

> I have a Pi 4 and a RiscPC sans wi-fi so they are cabled to the router.
> I'm certainly not putting them by the front door.

> If PlusNet let me keep their router I'm hoping I can set it up as an
> access point and keep my kit upstairs wired to that.

PlusNet will want their router back for recycling and so you don't get a 
bill for it! They only loan you the router nowadays (same goes for nearly 
all ISP supplied routers).

> Observations, experiences etc re any of the above gratefully received.

You might want to seek out the 2 WROCC Meeting videos on the subject of 
Broadband and phone lines changes I have done over the past couple of 
years, covering much of the above. I might need to do an update aimed more 
the phone change part.

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5284

In message <0d6d4bd75c.chris@mytardis>
          Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <5cd700d29dmec@npost.uk>
>           Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:


>> Hi,

>> The time is looming it seem. I have no idea when the cut off point is for
>> us here in Portsmouth (I think we're well down the list) but my provider
>> PlusNet is not going to do voip phone, only broadband.

> The official end date for PSTN (POTS) Analogue phone lines is now January
> 31st 2027.

You may find your service provider will be even more active over the next 
6 months as for those using the Openreach network the rental charges that 
your provider pays will be increasing significantly, circa up by 80% by 
Oct this year. NB that will not mean you pay those additional charges.

https://www.openreach.com/news/openreach-announces-price-changes-to-encourage-digital-adoption-of-newer-more-reliable-and-better-value-technology/

Also don't forget there is help for vunerable users and in particular 
those with Telecare products so make sure your provider is aware of any 
additional help you need.

With c. 2m customer still to go its better to get this done sooner rather 
than later.

The other thing to remember is that you don't need to go full fibre, 
though you may be encouraged and it may be best too, unless you want to or 
there is a stop sell on legacy copper products for the exchange you are 
off. Think nearly 6-% of the exchanges have a stop sell or an announced 
one in place now.

Chris Hughes , WROCC , has also done some good work with some clear 
explanations in WROCC talks recently so check out their YouTube channel.

-- 
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology - 
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.

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#5285

In message <4b5851d75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
          Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

Sorry typo correction :-)

> Think nearly 60%+ of the exchanges have a stop sell or an announced


-- 
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology - 
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.

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#5287

In message <c5b951d75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
          Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In message <4b5851d75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
>           Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Sorry typo correction :-)

>> Think nearly 60%+ of the exchanges have a stop sell or an announced

Another 238 exchanges have just been announced to go on the stop sell 
list.


-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5288

On 11 May 2026 as I do recall,
          Chris Hughes  wrote:

> PlusNet will want their router back for recycling and so you don't get a 
> bill for it! They only loan you the router nowadays (same goes for nearly 
> all ISP supplied routers).

My ISP sent me a new (unsolicited) router with a letter telling me not
to put the old one in the bin but to send it 'free of charge' to WEEE
Returns at their address for recycling.   After packaging it up
and taking it to the Post Office I discovered that 'free' meant
that I had to pay five pounds or so for the privilege as it is not a
Freepost service.  So the old router in its box is still sitting in the
corner of the room...

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

The best way to keep your friends is not to give them away.

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#5293

In message <407056d75c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
          Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

> On 11 May 2026 as I do recall,
>           Chris Hughes  wrote:

>> PlusNet will want their router back for recycling and so you don't get a
>> bill for it! They only loan you the router nowadays (same goes for nearly
>> all ISP supplied routers).

> My ISP sent me a new (unsolicited) router with a letter telling me not
> to put the old one in the bin but to send it 'free of charge' to WEEE
> Returns at their address for recycling.   After packaging it up
> and taking it to the Post Office I discovered that 'free' meant
> that I had to pay five pounds or so for the privilege as it is not a
> Freepost service.  So the old router in its box is still sitting in the
> corner of the room...

PlusNet/BT/EE router returns are free via a return label you can print out 
yourself and take to your post office (always get a proof of posting and 
keep the record for up to 90 days).

Obviously different providers might use different return systems.

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#5302

On 11 May 2026 as I do recall,
          Chris Hughes  wrote:

> > My ISP sent me a new (unsolicited) router with a letter telling me not
> > to put the old one in the bin but to send it 'free of charge' to WEEE
> > Returns at their address for recycling.   After packaging it up
> > and taking it to the Post Office I discovered that 'free' meant
> > that I had to pay five pounds or so for the privilege as it is not a
> > Freepost service.  So the old router in its box is still sitting in the
> > corner of the room...
> 
> PlusNet/BT/EE router returns are free via a return label you can print out 
> yourself and take to your post office (always get a proof of posting and 
> keep the record for up to 90 days).
> 
> Obviously different providers might use different return systems.

This one was TalkTalk.
I had naturally assumed the return address *would* be Freepost, but it
turned out it wasn't!

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Even a cabbage may look at a king.

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#5315

On 12 May, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
    <7a58bfd75c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

> This one was TalkTalk. I had naturally assumed the return address *would*
> be Freepost, but it turned out it wasn't!

Cynically, I doubt TalkTalk care. They probably don't want your router back,
but WEEE legislation says that as supplier they must provide you with a
means to recycle the equipment at end of life. So they do, at your cost, and
probably hope that you find an alternative -- such as the WEEE bin at the
local tip -- so that they don't have to pay to handle it when it arrives.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#5290

In article <0d6d4bd75c.chris@mytardis>,
   Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > I want to keep my landline.

> OK, you have at least 2 options then. Stay with PlusNet and move
> your landline phone number to an independent VoIP provider (there
> are a fair few of them) - The independent VoIP providers are
> generally cheaper for running costs and Phone call charges. Note:
> OFCOM the regulator has rules in place regarding losing of phone
> number, they have to be kept available for a maximum of 30 days of
> the phone line being terminated so you can move to a independent
> provider.

I am also with Plusnet, so am having the same quandary.

There is another option, which I am intending to use. I have a
FritzBox 5730AX router - this includes VOIP capability, which can be
used to by plugging in a normal phone cable and/or linking DECT
phones directly. Currently as a test I have a free sipgate phone
available.
I bought the router via ebay, as they are often available from ex Zen
customers. They will also wireless mesh with other Fritz routers &
repeaters.

I plan to transfer the phone number to Andrews&Arnold, who provide a
(often recommended) VOIP service for about £1.80/month - the transfer
is £12. We do not use the landline phone a lot, but usage obviously
affects additional call charges.


> The other option is as you mention below move to an alternative
> provider like EE, Zen, TalkTalk, or Sky for example. Which might
> be simpler, but running costs tend to be higher

> > To that end, they have offered to move me over to EE at a very
> > reasonable rate. EE is another provider in that group with BT.

> > EE apparently will give you a free adapter to put your phone
> > anywhere in the house, not just plugged in to the router. I'm
> > hoping that adapter or another will allow me to keep the 4 phones
> > I currently have wired around the house.

Are your extensions plugged into your BT/Openreach Master Socket?

Adaptors (ATA) can be purchased for around £40, and can be plugged
into any Ethernet port (using any ISP), and a normal phone cable
plugged in to it (which may be a DECT wireless system). Beware it
needs power - and a VOIP service! Some modern phone systems also
include the ATA, so just plug into Ethernet.
 
> Yes you can still use your existing phones around the house (wired
> or DECT phones) In your case it would be Voice Reinjection, there
> is plenty of information on this on the Internet (make sure the
> information is current!)

> > My wife next door can do that with virgin so presumably it's
> > possible.

> Virgin is a completely different system and does not use the
> Openreach network.

Any reason why you have two broadband connections?

> > I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to
> > the front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance
> > 'cause my current router is in the back top bedroom which I use
> > as an office. The signal currently goes easily all round the
> > premises.

If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
as your exieting one is. 
If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
needs power!

-- 
Martin Avison 
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received. 

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#5299

In article <5cd75ce5b5News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

<Big snip>

> Are your extensions plugged into your BT/Openreach Master Socket?

Yes

> Adaptors (ATA) can be purchased for around £40, and can be plugged
> into any Ethernet port (using any ISP), and a normal phone cable
> plugged in to it (which may be a DECT wireless system). Beware it
> needs power - and a VOIP service! Some modern phone systems also
> include the ATA, so just plug into Ethernet.


> > Virgin is a completely different system and does not use the
> > Openreach network.

> Any reason why you have two broadband connections?

The Virginset up has no broadband. Phone and tele only. The Mem sahib
uses the PlusNet as where I have the router the signal can be obtained in
both houses. 

> > > I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to
> > > the front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance
> > > 'cause my current router is in the back top bedroom which I use
> > > as an office. The signal currently goes easily all round the
> > > premises.

> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
> as your exieting one is. 
> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
> needs power!

Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
everything as it is?

-- 
Chris Newman

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