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| Started by | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| First post | 2026-05-10 23:35 +0100 |
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Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-10 23:35 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 07:32 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:48 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:17 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:49 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 20:36 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:24 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:37 +0100
Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 16:09 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 21:22 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 22:00 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-22 00:10 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 20:11 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 21:00 +0000
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:11 +0100
Re: Digital switchover David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:24 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:16 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 10:15 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 12:11 +0100
Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-27 11:20 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-25 23:20 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 01:00 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:38 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 18:32 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:37 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-26 16:02 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:06 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:26 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Adrian Crafer <acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:00 +0000
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:17 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:21 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:35 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 15:12 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:00 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:18 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:14 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:23 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:46 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:15 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:28 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:42 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:26 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 11:37 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 12:30 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 13:12 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:27 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:59 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 15:03 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-14 17:13 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-14 18:04 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-15 21:54 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:24 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:33 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 21:38 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:27 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:18 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:42 +0100
Re: Digital switchover druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:32 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 11:08 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:29 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 00:05 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-13 10:48 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5299 |
In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
>> as your exieting one is.
>> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
>> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
>> needs power!
> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
> everything as it is?
As�previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services on your
exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre.
--
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology -
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bf3cc0d75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5300 |
In message <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>
> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
>>> as your exieting one is.
>>> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
>>> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
>>> needs power!
>> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
>> everything as it is?
> As�previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services on your
> exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre.
Forgot to also say that there is also now usually a cost implication in
that often ISP's now make full fibre cheaper than a slower FTTC copper
based service as they are keen to get everyone on to fibre.
My father changed from FTTC /PSTN services last month and it went without
a hitch and he is a technophobe!
He also managed to reduce his bill as well get double the speed.
I'm not saying it is always like that but there are some real chancers who
call themselves champions of the old and vunerable who a peddling nonsense
and usually pop up in media from time to time.
--
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology -
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.
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| From | Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7c18684News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #5300 |
In article <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote: > In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk> > Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > [snip] > >> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be > >> plugged in as your exieting one is. If FTTP, then the fibre ONT > >> connection normally replaces your existing master socket, but it > >> can depend on the installer. Beware it needs power! > > Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and > > keep everything as it is? > As previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services > on your exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre. That is probably true because a new contract may have to be issued, even if you already have FTTC. It does not apply here (yet) because FTTP is not available. One place to check what is available is https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com (which works using Iris) but results may need interpreting! -- Martin Avison Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid without notice if (when) any spam is received.
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 13:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7d086dcmec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5304 |
In article <5cd7c18684News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote: > In article <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, > Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote: > > In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk> > > Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > [snip] > > >> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be > > >> plugged in as your exieting one is. If FTTP, then the fibre ONT > > >> connection normally replaces your existing master socket, but it > > >> can depend on the installer. Beware it needs power! > > > Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and > > > keep everything as it is? > > As previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services > > on your exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre. > That is probably true because a new contract may have to be issued, > even if you already have FTTC. > It does not apply here (yet) because FTTP is not available. > One place to check what is available is > https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com (which works using Iris) > but results may need interpreting! Put my phone number in and got a not avaiable try later error -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 11:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3388c6d75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5300 |
In message <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>
> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
>>> as your exieting one is.
>>> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
>>> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
>>> needs power!
>> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
>> everything as it is?
> As previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services on your
> exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre.
Also if you were able to stay on the copper line you would still need to
get Digital Voice/VoIP, as the anologue phone service is turned off at end
of January 2027. As you would be moved to a service called SOGEA which is
broadband only.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 12:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5306 |
As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. -- Chris Hughes
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 13:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <093acfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5307 |
In message <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with
> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, about
> all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and answer
> some of the issues/concerns being raised.
Good idea as the more added to peoples knowledge the better.
I'd cover such things as:
PSTN to Digital Voice/Voip WLR3/SOGEA
EVA - Emergency Voice Access service
PDPL/SOTAP phone only transition service
VOIP v Proprietary digital voice
Copper to Full Fibre
Cabling and other means like ATA's etc
Telecare consideration
Power backups/Duel phones that have built in SIM's
Using the ISP's router or not
Different network considerations - Virgin/NextFibre, Openreach, CityFibre,
Other altnets etc
Local government/ISP engagement events
I'm sure you can add to that as well :-)
--
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology -
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 13:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7d0988emec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5307 |
In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and > answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. You're a star. -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 12:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5307 |
In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and > answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or Archive? -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 15:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5322 |
In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with
>> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk,
>> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and
>> answer some of the issues/concerns being raised.
> Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or
> Archive?
I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got
Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to beat
the competition!
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-14 17:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd8ed0603mec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5323 |
In article <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes > > <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > >> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > >> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try > >> and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. > > Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or > > Archive? > I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got > Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to > beat the competition! Great. Which mag? Volume? Number? -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-14 18:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <209cf1d85c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5326 |
In message <5cd8ed0603mec@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> In article <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
>>> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with
>>>> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk,
>>>> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try
>>>> and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised.
>>> Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or
>>> Archive?
>> I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got
>> Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to
>> beat the competition!
> Great. Which mag? Volume? Number?
It was in "The WROCC" Feb 24 Vol 41. 11
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-15 21:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd98a90ffmec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5327 |
In article <209cf1d85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <5cd8ed0603mec@npost.uk> > Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > In article <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes > > <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > >>> In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes > >>> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > >>>> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > >>>> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try > >>>> and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. > >>> Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or > >>> Archive? > >> I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got > >> Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to > >> beat the competition! > > Great. Which mag? Volume? Number? > It was in "The WROCC" Feb 24 Vol 41. 11 Ta. -- Chris Newman
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| From | Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 19:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.texsgn0171qqd033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #5306 |
On 12 May, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<3388c6d75c.chris@mytardis>:
> Also if you were able to stay on the copper line you would still need to
> get Digital Voice/VoIP, as the anologue phone service is turned off at end
> of January 2027. As you would be moved to a service called SOGEA which is
> broadband only.
Hmm. I think there could be a third option for those without broadband.
My father's phone is on a line which does not have broadband on it, and BT
have sent a leaflet which clearly states that they're migrating him to VOIP,
that he won't have to do anything, that nothing will change at his end, and
that his phone might lose dial tone for half an hour when the switch
happens. The strong implication is that the VOIP box will be going in
somewhere outside the house, either at the exchange or in the local green
cabinet.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 20:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <829ff7d75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5314 |
In message <mpro.texsgn0171qqd033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 12 May, Chris Hughes wrote in message
> <3388c6d75c.chris@mytardis>:
>> Also if you were able to stay on the copper line you would still need to
>> get Digital Voice/VoIP, as the anologue phone service is turned off at end
>> of January 2027. As you would be moved to a service called SOGEA which is
>> broadband only.
> Hmm. I think there could be a third option for those without broadband.
> My father's phone is on a line which does not have broadband on it, and BT
> have sent a leaflet which clearly states that they're migrating him to VOIP,
> that he won't have to do anything, that nothing will change at his end, and
> that his phone might lose dial tone for half an hour when the switch
> happens. The strong implication is that the VOIP box will be going in
> somewhere outside the house, either at the exchange or in the local green
> cabinet.
Digital Voice (VoIP) in BT speak will and can be provided for phone only
users via 0.5 Mbps broadband service, where Full Fibre or SoGEA is
available
The only other option available as a "Transitional" service called SOTAP
for areas where they still have no Full Fibre and/or SoGEA lines.
This website tries to explain what SoTAP is:
https://www.zen.co.uk/blog/posts/zen-blog/2025/10/06/introducing-sotap-the-simple-way-to-keep-customers-connected-until-fibre-arrives/
There are other sites with similar information
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 21:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <768afdd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5316 |
In message <829ff7d75c.chris@mytardis>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> The only other option available as a "Transitional" service called SOTAP
> for areas where they still have no Full Fibre and/or SoGEA lines.
> This website tries to explain what SoTAP is:
> https://www.zen.co.uk/blog/posts/zen-blog/2025/10/06/introducing-sotap-the
> -simple-way-to-keep-customers-connected-until-fibre-arrives/
> There are other sites with similar information
As I mentioned before on the Openreach network then for the real laggards
and refusenik's there will be Openreaches EVAc. Emergency Voice Access.
service which is being trialled.
Note this will be a very limited voice only product and will be there for
cases where perhaps a ISP has placed orders to migrate the service or
can't get enough resource capacity too get the work done in time in an
area.
I have lost count of the people I have spoken too who have been told, by
well meaning but totally misguided people, just refuse or cancel any
migrations as they can't force you to digital and hence I think this is
part of Openreache's mitigation for those who refuse to engage.
All change is disruptive and hence the more that can be done to mitigate
things the better but there comes a point where things will need to be
forced.
A decade ago they were running out of spares and doing things like
propping up system shelf's with cardboard or anything they could and hence
why they also started closing some smaller locations to get spares to
carry on.
Anyway I look forward to another of your educational talks.
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PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
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| From | Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7c01cd2News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #5299 |
In article <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > Are your extensions plugged into your BT/Openreach Master Socket? > Yes Then that plug should be able to be inserted into whatever you use to provide a VOIP service, and your phones should work. That excludes the Plusnet router, but could be another router (possibly an EE one or a FritzBox), or a separate ATA plugged into ethernet LAN. In addition you have to find a Digital Voice provider (eg an ISP like EE, or an independant one like Andrews and Arnold). > > > > I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as > > > > possible to the front door where their cable will come in. > > > > That's a nuisance 'cause my current router is in the back top > > > > bedroom which I use as an office. The signal currently goes > > > > easily all round the premises. > > If you are staying with FTTC, then new router can just be > > plugged in as your exieting one is. If FTTP, then the fibre ONT > > connection normally replaces your existing master socket, but it > > can depend on the installer. Beware it needs power! > Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep > everything as it is? The change of 'landline' phones to digital, and the change from FTTC to FTTP are different changes - though often confusingly merged into one or wrongly described. VOIP digital phones will work over FTTC and FTTP - just needs broadband. So, if like me there is no date for any FTTP as yet, you can plan your landline change to VOIP regardless of FTTP availability. However, changing to VOIP will result in some changes, depending on how you chose to do it for hardware and provider. -- Martin Avison Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid without notice if (when) any spam is received.
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| From | Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 19:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.texs6v00xmpep033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #5299 |
On 12 May, Chris Newman wrote in message
<5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>:
> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
> everything as it is?
That depends if the cabinet stays, I suspect. Around here, they seem to be
removing overhead copper as soon as they can because installing the fibre is
cheap. On estates with underground cables, however, it does anecdotally
sound as if the FTTC might remain in some guise, presumably because that
saves them trenching everyone's gardens.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 20:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8f70f8d75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5313 |
In message <mpro.texs6v00xmpep033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 12 May, Chris Newman wrote in message
> <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>:
>> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
>> everything as it is?
> That depends if the cabinet stays, I suspect. Around here, they seem to be
> removing overhead copper as soon as they can because installing the fibre is
> cheap. On estates with underground cables, however, it does anecdotally
> sound as if the FTTC might remain in some guise, presumably because that
> saves them trenching everyone's gardens.
To be clear here, there are *TWO* different things happening. One is that
the PSTN service ends on 31st January 2027 for everyone (maybe except for
certain organisations who have temporary extension/exemption).
The second one is the move to Full Fibre from ADSL/FTTC/GFast, they are
not necessarily connected that work is not expected to get to 98% of the
UK till around 2030 (it is over 80% I believe at the moment).
Also Virgin Media is also a different situation altogether.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | druck <news@druck.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 14:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tslpp$14nib$1@druck.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #5279 |
On 10/05/2026 23:35, Chris Newman wrote: >> I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to the > front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance 'cause my > current router is in the back top bedroom which I use as an office. The > signal currently goes easily all round the premises. Most Open Reach installations consist of a Fibre ONT box and a separate router supplied by the ISP (this is the preferred option, rather than being restricted to the ISPs single box). As mentioned elsewhere you can normally request where the new fibre comes in to your house as long as there is a socket nearby. But if they can't do that for whatever reason, you don't need put the router next to the ONT (they only tell you its needs to be, because everyone is assumed to be an idiot). The connection between the ONT and the router is just Ethernet cable, get some CAT6 (CAT 5e will also do) and put the router where you like. > If PlusNet let me keep their router I'm hoping I can set it up as an > access point and keep my kit upstairs wired to that. Invariably ISP supplied routers a the cheapest POS that can be bought in bulk, and often the WiFi speeds wouldn't keep up with the ADSL line speed, never mind Fibre. Ditch it and get a decedent router from the likes of ASUS, which will also support WiFi mesh networks. ---druck
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