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| Started by | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| First post | 2026-05-10 23:35 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100 |
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Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-10 23:35 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 07:32 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:48 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:17 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:49 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 20:36 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:24 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:37 +0100
Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 16:09 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 21:22 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 22:00 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-22 00:10 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 20:11 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 21:00 +0000
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:11 +0100
Re: Digital switchover David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:24 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-25 22:16 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 10:15 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 12:11 +0100
Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-05-27 11:20 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:02 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:49 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-06-17 12:56 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-06-18 06:05 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-06-16 09:30 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-25 23:20 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 01:00 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:38 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2026-05-26 18:32 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-26 08:37 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-26 16:02 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:06 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 22:26 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Adrian Crafer <acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 11:00 +0000
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:17 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-11 14:21 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:35 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 15:12 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 18:00 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:18 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:14 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-11 16:23 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 09:46 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:15 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 10:28 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:42 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:26 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 11:37 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 12:30 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 13:12 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:27 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:59 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-13 15:03 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-14 17:13 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-14 18:04 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-15 21:54 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:24 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:33 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 21:38 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 10:27 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2026-05-12 19:18 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-05-12 20:42 +0100
Re: Digital switchover druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 14:32 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 11:08 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-12 13:29 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 00:05 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2026-05-13 10:48 +0100
Re: Digital switchover Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1dcf65d75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5288 |
In message <407056d75c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 11 May 2026 as I do recall,
> Chris Hughes wrote:
>> PlusNet will want their router back for recycling and so you don't get a
>> bill for it! They only loan you the router nowadays (same goes for nearly
>> all ISP supplied routers).
> My ISP sent me a new (unsolicited) router with a letter telling me not
> to put the old one in the bin but to send it 'free of charge' to WEEE
> Returns at their address for recycling. After packaging it up
> and taking it to the Post Office I discovered that 'free' meant
> that I had to pay five pounds or so for the privilege as it is not a
> Freepost service. So the old router in its box is still sitting in the
> corner of the room...
PlusNet/BT/EE router returns are free via a return label you can print out
yourself and take to your post office (always get a proof of posting and
keep the record for up to 90 days).
Obviously different providers might use different return systems.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7a58bfd75c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #5293 |
On 11 May 2026 as I do recall,
Chris Hughes wrote:
> > My ISP sent me a new (unsolicited) router with a letter telling me not
> > to put the old one in the bin but to send it 'free of charge' to WEEE
> > Returns at their address for recycling. After packaging it up
> > and taking it to the Post Office I discovered that 'free' meant
> > that I had to pay five pounds or so for the privilege as it is not a
> > Freepost service. So the old router in its box is still sitting in the
> > corner of the room...
>
> PlusNet/BT/EE router returns are free via a return label you can print out
> yourself and take to your post office (always get a proof of posting and
> keep the record for up to 90 days).
>
> Obviously different providers might use different return systems.
This one was TalkTalk.
I had naturally assumed the return address *would* be Freepost, but it
turned out it wasn't!
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Even a cabbage may look at a king.
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| From | Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 19:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.texs0r00qkozs033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #5302 |
On 12 May, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
<7a58bfd75c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:
> This one was TalkTalk. I had naturally assumed the return address *would*
> be Freepost, but it turned out it wasn't!
Cynically, I doubt TalkTalk care. They probably don't want your router back,
but WEEE legislation says that as supplier they must provide you with a
means to recycle the equipment at end of life. So they do, at your cost, and
probably hope that you find an alternative -- such as the WEEE bin at the
local tip -- so that they don't have to pay to handle it when it arrives.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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| From | Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 16:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd75ce5b5News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #5283 |
In article <0d6d4bd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > > I want to keep my landline. > OK, you have at least 2 options then. Stay with PlusNet and move > your landline phone number to an independent VoIP provider (there > are a fair few of them) - The independent VoIP providers are > generally cheaper for running costs and Phone call charges. Note: > OFCOM the regulator has rules in place regarding losing of phone > number, they have to be kept available for a maximum of 30 days of > the phone line being terminated so you can move to a independent > provider. I am also with Plusnet, so am having the same quandary. There is another option, which I am intending to use. I have a FritzBox 5730AX router - this includes VOIP capability, which can be used to by plugging in a normal phone cable and/or linking DECT phones directly. Currently as a test I have a free sipgate phone available. I bought the router via ebay, as they are often available from ex Zen customers. They will also wireless mesh with other Fritz routers & repeaters. I plan to transfer the phone number to Andrews&Arnold, who provide a (often recommended) VOIP service for about £1.80/month - the transfer is £12. We do not use the landline phone a lot, but usage obviously affects additional call charges. > The other option is as you mention below move to an alternative > provider like EE, Zen, TalkTalk, or Sky for example. Which might > be simpler, but running costs tend to be higher > > To that end, they have offered to move me over to EE at a very > > reasonable rate. EE is another provider in that group with BT. > > EE apparently will give you a free adapter to put your phone > > anywhere in the house, not just plugged in to the router. I'm > > hoping that adapter or another will allow me to keep the 4 phones > > I currently have wired around the house. Are your extensions plugged into your BT/Openreach Master Socket? Adaptors (ATA) can be purchased for around £40, and can be plugged into any Ethernet port (using any ISP), and a normal phone cable plugged in to it (which may be a DECT wireless system). Beware it needs power - and a VOIP service! Some modern phone systems also include the ATA, so just plug into Ethernet. > Yes you can still use your existing phones around the house (wired > or DECT phones) In your case it would be Voice Reinjection, there > is plenty of information on this on the Internet (make sure the > information is current!) > > My wife next door can do that with virgin so presumably it's > > possible. > Virgin is a completely different system and does not use the > Openreach network. Any reason why you have two broadband connections? > > I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to > > the front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance > > 'cause my current router is in the back top bedroom which I use > > as an office. The signal currently goes easily all round the > > premises. If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in as your exieting one is. If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it needs power! -- Martin Avison Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid without notice if (when) any spam is received.
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 09:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5290 |
In article <5cd75ce5b5News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote: <Big snip> > Are your extensions plugged into your BT/Openreach Master Socket? Yes > Adaptors (ATA) can be purchased for around £40, and can be plugged > into any Ethernet port (using any ISP), and a normal phone cable > plugged in to it (which may be a DECT wireless system). Beware it > needs power - and a VOIP service! Some modern phone systems also > include the ATA, so just plug into Ethernet. > > Virgin is a completely different system and does not use the > > Openreach network. > Any reason why you have two broadband connections? The Virginset up has no broadband. Phone and tele only. The Mem sahib uses the PlusNet as where I have the router the signal can be obtained in both houses. > > > I suspect EE will want to put their router as near as possible to > > > the front door where their cable will come in. That's a nuisance > > > 'cause my current router is in the back top bedroom which I use > > > as an office. The signal currently goes easily all round the > > > premises. > If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in > as your exieting one is. > If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your > existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it > needs power! Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep everything as it is? -- Chris Newman
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5299 |
In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
>> as your exieting one is.
>> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
>> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
>> needs power!
> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
> everything as it is?
As�previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services on your
exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre.
--
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology -
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bf3cc0d75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5300 |
In message <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>
> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
>>> as your exieting one is.
>>> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
>>> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
>>> needs power!
>> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
>> everything as it is?
> As�previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services on your
> exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre.
Forgot to also say that there is also now usually a cost implication in
that often ISP's now make full fibre cheaper than a slower FTTC copper
based service as they are keen to get everyone on to fibre.
My father changed from FTTC /PSTN services last month and it went without
a hitch and he is a technophobe!
He also managed to reduce his bill as well get double the speed.
I'm not saying it is always like that but there are some real chancers who
call themselves champions of the old and vunerable who a peddling nonsense
and usually pop up in media from time to time.
--
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology -
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.
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| From | Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7c18684News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #5300 |
In article <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote: > In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk> > Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > [snip] > >> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be > >> plugged in as your exieting one is. If FTTP, then the fibre ONT > >> connection normally replaces your existing master socket, but it > >> can depend on the installer. Beware it needs power! > > Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and > > keep everything as it is? > As previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services > on your exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre. That is probably true because a new contract may have to be issued, even if you already have FTTC. It does not apply here (yet) because FTTP is not available. One place to check what is available is https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com (which works using Iris) but results may need interpreting! -- Martin Avison Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid without notice if (when) any spam is received.
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 13:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7d086dcmec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5304 |
In article <5cd7c18684News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote: > In article <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, > Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote: > > In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk> > > Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > [snip] > > >> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be > > >> plugged in as your exieting one is. If FTTP, then the fibre ONT > > >> connection normally replaces your existing master socket, but it > > >> can depend on the installer. Beware it needs power! > > > Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and > > > keep everything as it is? > > As previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services > > on your exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre. > That is probably true because a new contract may have to be issued, > even if you already have FTTC. > It does not apply here (yet) because FTTP is not available. > One place to check what is available is > https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com (which works using Iris) > but results may need interpreting! Put my phone number in and got a not avaiable try later error -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 11:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3388c6d75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5300 |
In message <d211bfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <5cd7bc6627mec@npost.uk>
> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> If you are staying with FTTC, thany new router can just be plugged in
>>> as your exieting one is.
>>> If FTTP, then the fibre ONT connection normally replaces your
>>> existing master socket, but it can depend on the installer. Beware it
>>> needs power!
>> Does that mean I can elect to stay with FTTC at switch over and keep
>> everything as it is?
> As previously mentioned if there is a stop sell on copper services on your
> exchange then you will need to migrate to full fibre.
Also if you were able to stay on the copper line you would still need to
get Digital Voice/VoIP, as the anologue phone service is turned off at end
of January 2027. As you would be moved to a service called SOGEA which is
broadband only.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 12:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5306 |
As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. -- Chris Hughes
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| From | Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 13:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <093acfd75c.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #5307 |
In message <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with
> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, about
> all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and answer
> some of the issues/concerns being raised.
Good idea as the more added to peoples knowledge the better.
I'd cover such things as:
PSTN to Digital Voice/Voip WLR3/SOGEA
EVA - Emergency Voice Access service
PDPL/SOTAP phone only transition service
VOIP v Proprietary digital voice
Copper to Full Fibre
Cabling and other means like ATA's etc
Telecare consideration
Power backups/Duel phones that have built in SIM's
Using the ISP's router or not
Different network considerations - Virgin/NextFibre, Openreach, CityFibre,
Other altnets etc
Local government/ISP engagement events
I'm sure you can add to that as well :-)
--
Experiencing the past, present and future using ARM Technology -
Pineb(o)ok Pro,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5,& Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.30.
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 13:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd7d0988emec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5307 |
In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and > answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. You're a star. -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 12:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5307 |
In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and > answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or Archive? -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 15:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5322 |
In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with
>> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk,
>> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try and
>> answer some of the issues/concerns being raised.
> Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or
> Archive?
I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got
Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to beat
the competition!
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-14 17:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd8ed0603mec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5323 |
In article <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes > > <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > >> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > >> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try > >> and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. > > Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or > > Archive? > I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got > Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to > beat the competition! Great. Which mag? Volume? Number? -- Chris Newman
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-14 18:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <209cf1d85c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5326 |
In message <5cd8ed0603mec@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> In article <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
>>> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with
>>>> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk,
>>>> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try
>>>> and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised.
>>> Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or
>>> Archive?
>> I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got
>> Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to
>> beat the competition!
> Great. Which mag? Volume? Number?
It was in "The WROCC" Feb 24 Vol 41. 11
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-15 21:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5cd98a90ffmec@npost.uk> |
| In reply to | #5327 |
In article <209cf1d85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <5cd8ed0603mec@npost.uk> > Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > > In article <ef445dd85c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes > > <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <5cd851eba3mec@npost.uk> Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote: > >>> In article <e468cbd75c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes > >>> <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> As a result of this discussion, both here and on the Living with > >>>> Technology list, I have just decided I will do another update talk, > >>>> about all this at the next WROCC meeting on Weds, 3rd June. To try > >>>> and answer some of the issues/concerns being raised. > >>> Do I remember that you also wrote an article for WROCC magazine or > >>> Archive? > >> I wrote an article on how I got my Full Fibre install and how got > >> Openreach wire up the entire estate ready for full fibre quicker to > >> beat the competition! > > Great. Which mag? Volume? Number? > It was in "The WROCC" Feb 24 Vol 41. 11 Ta. -- Chris Newman
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| From | Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 19:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.texsgn0171qqd033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #5306 |
On 12 May, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<3388c6d75c.chris@mytardis>:
> Also if you were able to stay on the copper line you would still need to
> get Digital Voice/VoIP, as the anologue phone service is turned off at end
> of January 2027. As you would be moved to a service called SOGEA which is
> broadband only.
Hmm. I think there could be a third option for those without broadband.
My father's phone is on a line which does not have broadband on it, and BT
have sent a leaflet which clearly states that they're migrating him to VOIP,
that he won't have to do anything, that nothing will change at his end, and
that his phone might lose dial tone for half an hour when the switch
happens. The strong implication is that the VOIP box will be going in
somewhere outside the house, either at the exchange or in the local green
cabinet.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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| From | Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 20:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <829ff7d75c.chris@mytardis> |
| In reply to | #5314 |
In message <mpro.texsgn0171qqd033x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 12 May, Chris Hughes wrote in message
> <3388c6d75c.chris@mytardis>:
>> Also if you were able to stay on the copper line you would still need to
>> get Digital Voice/VoIP, as the anologue phone service is turned off at end
>> of January 2027. As you would be moved to a service called SOGEA which is
>> broadband only.
> Hmm. I think there could be a third option for those without broadband.
> My father's phone is on a line which does not have broadband on it, and BT
> have sent a leaflet which clearly states that they're migrating him to VOIP,
> that he won't have to do anything, that nothing will change at his end, and
> that his phone might lose dial tone for half an hour when the switch
> happens. The strong implication is that the VOIP box will be going in
> somewhere outside the house, either at the exchange or in the local green
> cabinet.
Digital Voice (VoIP) in BT speak will and can be provided for phone only
users via 0.5 Mbps broadband service, where Full Fibre or SoGEA is
available
The only other option available as a "Transitional" service called SOTAP
for areas where they still have no Full Fibre and/or SoGEA lines.
This website tries to explain what SoTAP is:
https://www.zen.co.uk/blog/posts/zen-blog/2025/10/06/introducing-sotap-the-simple-way-to-keep-customers-connected-until-fibre-arrives/
There are other sites with similar information
--
Chris Hughes
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