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  No Internet on reboot Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-03-07 17:28 +0000
    Re: No Internet on reboot David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2026-03-07 18:47 +0000
      Re: No Internet on reboot Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 14:55 +0000
    Re: No Internet on reboot Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-03-07 19:18 +0000
      Re: No Internet on reboot Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 14:55 +0000
        Re: No Internet on reboot Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-03-08 16:54 +0000
          Re: No Internet on reboot Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 20:15 +0000
            Re: No Internet on reboot Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2026-03-09 11:14 +0000
        Re: No Internet on reboot Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2026-03-09 16:11 +0000

#5270 — No Internet on reboot

I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6 repeatedly failed
to connect to the router after rebooting - Newshound couldn't resolve
the newsserver hostname, AntiSpam timed out on its mailboxes, NetSurf
told me it could only access local files because no domain server was
available.  Eventually on the third or fourth attempt, after powering
down the computer and leaving it for a while but without changing
anything else, I was able to get it to start up correctly.

Is this something I should be worried about?   Is there anything I can
do about it if so?

(The whole reason why I was rebooting in the first place was because
Messenger Pro crashed twice in a row when I was attempting to start a
reply to an e-mail I'd received a couple of days ago, so I thought some
other piece of software might have been overwriting the memory
somewhere - that shouldn't be persistent over a restart, though.  And if
a file in !Boot had got corrupted, that wouldn't have fixed itself
without my intervention.)

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Positive: Mistaken at the top of one's voice.

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#5271

In message <9404efb55c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
          Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

> I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6 repeatedly failed to
> connect to the router after rebooting - Newshound couldn't resolve the
> newsserver hostname, AntiSpam timed out on its mailboxes, NetSurf told me
> it could only access local files because no domain server was available. 
> Eventually on the third or fourth attempt, after powering down the computer
> and leaving it for a while but without changing anything else, I was able
> to get it to start up correctly.
> 
> Is this something I should be worried about?   Is there anything I can do
> about it if so?

If you're sure that the failure was to connect to the router, rather
than connect through the router to the Internet: computers do this
occasionally.  PCs do it too.  I don't think anyone really knows why.

If it happens more frequently, the first thing to check is the power
supply: is it really giving 5 volts?

David

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#5273

On 7 Mar 2026 as I do recall,
          David Higton  wrote:

> In message <9404efb55c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
>           Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6 repeatedly failed to
> > connect to the router after rebooting - Newshound couldn't resolve the
> > newsserver hostname, AntiSpam timed out on its mailboxes, NetSurf told me
> > it could only access local files because no domain server was available. 
> > Eventually on the third or fourth attempt, after powering down the computer
> > and leaving it for a while but without changing anything else, I was able
> > to get it to start up correctly.
> > 
> > Is this something I should be worried about?   Is there anything I can do
> > about it if so?
> 
> If you're sure that the failure was to connect to the router, rather
> than connect through the router to the Internet: computers do this
> occasionally.  PCs do it too.  I don't think anyone really knows why.

It was definitely failure to connect *to* the router;  other devices on
the same router were fine.


-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Micro Credo: Never trust a computer bigger than you can lift.

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#5272

In article <9404efb55c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

> I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6 repeatedly
> failed to connect to the router after rebooting - Newshound
> couldn't resolve the newsserver hostname, AntiSpam timed out on its
> mailboxes, NetSurf told me it could only access local files because
> no domain server was available.  Eventually on the third or fourth
> attempt, after powering down the computer and leaving it for a
> while but without changing anything else, I was able to get it to
> start up correctly.

[Snip]

Don't laugh, but have you checked your cmos battery?

Bob.

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#5274

On 7 Mar 2026 as I do recall,
          Bob Latham  wrote:

> In article <9404efb55c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
>    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6 repeatedly
> > failed to connect to the router after rebooting - Newshound
> > couldn't resolve the newsserver hostname, AntiSpam timed out on its
> > mailboxes, NetSurf told me it could only access local files because
> > no domain server was available.  Eventually on the third or fourth
> > attempt, after powering down the computer and leaving it for a
> > while but without changing anything else, I was able to get it to
> > start up correctly.
> 
> [Snip]
> 
> Don't laugh, but have you checked your cmos battery?
> 
Does an ARMX6 have a CMOS battery?

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground... and missing.

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#5275

In article <02dc64b65c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2026 as I do recall,
>           Bob Latham  wrote:

> > In article <9404efb55c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
> >    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6 repeatedly
> > > failed to connect to the router after rebooting - Newshound
> > > couldn't resolve the newsserver hostname, AntiSpam timed out on its
> > > mailboxes, NetSurf told me it could only access local files because
> > > no domain server was available.  Eventually on the third or fourth
> > > attempt, after powering down the computer and leaving it for a
> > > while but without changing anything else, I was able to get it to
> > > start up correctly.
> > 
> > [Snip]
> > 
> > Don't laugh, but have you checked your cmos battery?
> > 
> Does an ARMX6 have a CMOS battery?

I would be surprised if it didn't. Every machine I've ever owned that
had a real time clock had a battery for the cmos and the clock.
Certainly my mini.m machines do and they have trouble with booting
and networking when the batteries fail.

Bob.

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#5276

In article <5cb66fb021bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
   Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > Does an ARMX6 have a CMOS battery?

> I would be surprised if it didn't. Every machine I've ever owned that
> had a real time clock had a battery for the cmos and the clock.
> Certainly my mini.m machines do and they have trouble with booting
> and networking when the batteries fail.


I found this on my ARMX6

In article <59af64c5b6p.porcelyn@kpnmail.nl>,
   Paul Porcelijn <p.porcelyn@kpnmail.nl> wrote:
> No need to dissassemble anything for a quick battery check.
> 1. Go to Alarm -> Set clock -> Set manually -> Set
> 2. Switch off ARMX6 completely (removing all power). 
> 3. Wait overnight or at least one hour
> 4. Now switch ARMX6 on and have a look at date/time. When odd it's 
>    time to exchange (or at least remove) the CR1220 coincell.

I suggest there is a vital omission from that list...
 3a. Unplug any Ethernet cable
    
Otherwise the NetTime module might re-set the clock as soon as it
starts and connects to the Ethernet!

On 23 Jan, Richard Darby <richard@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
> This can cause unexpected problems, in my case Pluto deleted all
> it's backups of mail and news downloads and expired a whole lot of
> articles. So any Application which is date or time dependant can be
> affected,

I agree with that totally. A wrong date/time can cause chaos which
can take some time and effort to resolve.

Note that if you have Organizer v2.23 or later, then when it starts
it validates the current clock time, and gives an error message if if
thinks the time is suspect.

-- 
Martin Avison      using a TiMachine running RISC OS 5
                   and the Pluto mail and newsreader
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#5277

In article <5cb67aa443ajg@argonet.co.uk>,

<snip>

> I agree with that totally. A wrong date/time can cause chaos which
> can take some time and effort to resolve.

> Note that if you have Organizer v2.23 or later, then when it starts
> it validates the current clock time, and gives an error message if if
> thinks the time is suspect.

Yes it does.
At the moment, my FAST machine is a bit flaky about the date and time. 
If I have Organiser set to run at startup and the time is wrong, it gives
an error message and IIRC 3 alternatives, one of which is something like
set Time & Date. selecting that opens the Date/Time option in configure.
If I correct that all is well. If not, all hell can break loose.

-- 
Chris Newman

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#5278

In article <02dc64b65c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2026 as I do recall, Bob Latham  wrote:

> > In article <9404efb55c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet
> >    Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > I had a worrying episode this afternoon when my ARMX6
> > > repeatedly failed to connect to the router after rebooting -
> > > Newshound couldn't resolve the newsserver hostname, AntiSpam
> > > timed out on its mailboxes, NetSurf told me it could only
> > > access local files because no domain server was available. 
> > > Eventually on the third or fourth attempt, after powering down
> > > the computer and leaving it for a while but without changing
> > > anything else, I was able to get it to start up correctly.
> > 
> > [Snip]
> > 
> > Don't laugh, but have you checked your cmos battery?
> > 
> Does an ARMX6 have a CMOS battery?

Yes as someone has already pointed out its a CR1220. I had to change
mine some while ago - I've forgotten the symtoms. I guess there is
always a possibility of leakage so would recommend a change. It's
located on the real-time-clock - a very tiny module attached to the
motherboard. Battery is not easy to see and I vaguely remember it was
a little tricky to replace.

Richard

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