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On 20 Oct, Chris Newman wrote in message
    <5af6838519mec@npost.uk>:

> "We have checked our servers and can see no reason for the rejection even
> an external checker agrees that the domain has SPF and DKIM. I am sorry
> but you will have to discuss this with Google, especially as other emails
> on the domain get through with no issues. It may be that they don't like
> the address being so short and neat, but that's just an odd thought.
> Regards   Richard"

Hang on, though. Are you telling us everything here?

In your original post, you said

: SPF [gmail.com] with ip: [81.5.176.51] = did not pass

IIUC, that's saying that they've looked up the SPF record for gmail.com and
found (not surprisingly) that it doesn't give permission for 81.5.176.51 to
send messages which purport to come from someone @gmail.com because
81.5.176.51 belongs to Genesys (Orpheus) and so isn't a server that Google
knows about.

Which suggests that somewhere along the line, you're getting bounceback for
messages being sent as if from a @gmail.com address.

If you were correctly sending from an address @npost.uk, I'd expect that
line to read

  SPF [npost.uk] with ip: [81.5.176.51] = did not pass

Except, of course, that it wouldn't fail, because the SPF on npost.uk
authorises 81.5.176.51 to send mail on it's behalf.

Are you *sure* that your email client is set up correctly, and there's not
an old Gmail address lurking somewhere in the settings? A quick Google
suggests that a jazz-playing Chris Newman on the south coast has (or at
least had) a Gmail account...

Trying to send mail "from" that Gmail address through Orpheus's server would
indeed trigger the SPF failure that you've quoted.

There are also a few mail forwarding scenarios which trigger SPF at Gmail
and the like, although I can't immediately think of one that would fit here.
A common one is for someone with an old Yahoo! or HotMail address to set it
to auto-forward to Gmail with the headers intact (because they want to read
their email with the Gmail interface). Whereupon Gmail immediately bounces
messages back to any original senders using the Yahoo! or HotMail addresses,
because from Gmail's point of view they appear to be getting spoofed through
the Yahoo! or HotMail servers.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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              Re: Life with gmail Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> - 2023-10-20 12:14 +0100
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