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Exit desktop on Task Manager menu.

Started byPeter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk>
First post2012-03-13 20:25 +0000
Last post2012-03-20 12:34 +0000
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  Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 20:25 +0000
    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-13 21:55 +0000
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 22:21 +0000
        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-14 12:15 +1300
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-14 10:50 +0100
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-14 10:07 +0000
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-15 01:40 +1300
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 16:31 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-14 20:12 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 22:08 +0000
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-14 23:46 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-14 23:57 +0000
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-15 00:59 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-15 12:44 +1300
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 21:42 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 05:21 +0100
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-16 23:49 +1300
                          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 18:32 +0100
                            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-18 11:31 +1300
                              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 00:35 +0100
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-18 22:08 +1300
                              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-17 22:53 +0000
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 08:19 +0000
                              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 08:39 +0000
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-18 22:40 +1300
                                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-18 10:32 +0000
                                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Grahame Parish <spamtrap@millers-way.net> - 2012-03-18 12:10 +0000
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 10:24 +0000
                                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 01:00 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-14 16:55 +0000
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 09:06 +0000
    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 23:29 +0000
    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-14 01:00 +0000
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-14 14:39 +1300
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 19:18 +0000
        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-15 00:57 +0000
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-16 12:03 +1300
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 05:29 +0100
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 10:29 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 15:41 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-19 16:52 +0000
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 01:15 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-20 23:26 +1300
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:55 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:54 +0000
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 11:57 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 13:16 +0000
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 12:12 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Gransden <chrisg@care4free.net> - 2012-03-23 12:59 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-23 18:13 +0100
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 18:50 +0100
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-24 09:42 +0100
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-23 17:53 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 13:18 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 14:03 +0000
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 14:38 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 15:52 +0100
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:43 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 18:41 +0100
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:40 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-24 03:25 +1300
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 12:17 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-23 18:32 +0000
        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 07:06 +0000
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:34 +0000

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#4440

From"Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com>
Date2012-03-19 16:52 +0000
Message-ID<5272fc9b18steve@revi11.plus.com>
In reply to#4423
In article <ant191036b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
   Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> Using F12 rather than a TaskWindow does have the advantage that 'cursor
> editing' works. e.g. you misstype a long command in and can then
> 'copy/edit' the line easily.

What's wrong with LineEditor?

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#4460

FromJim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk>
Date2012-03-20 01:15 +0000
Message-ID<6faa2a7352.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
In reply to#4299
Ste (news) wrote on 15 Mar:
> Hang on, the first one I mentioned was "*Commands" which is the F12 action.
> I personally don't like this at all and don't think it should exist. On my
> machine, I have set this up in the boot sequence:
>     Set Alias$ShellCLI TaskWindow GOS -name TaskWindow
> but in the past I've had it set up to do nothing at all.

Naked F12 is a pitfall for newcomers -- I well remember my own early 
experience of hitting it by accident and now and then my wife does it 
and then has to ask what happened and how to get back to normal.

Would be nice to see F12 and Shift-F12 swapped. An alias for that?
Plain F12 then merely brings the iconbar to the front -- no harm if 
hit by mistake.
Shift-F12 is still handy enough to get to commandline intentionally.
Ctrl-F12 unaffected -- taskwindow.
Shift-Ctrl-F12 shutdown, as ever.

Hmm, what can Alt-F12 do?  Other Alt combinations with Sh & Ctrl?


-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk
>> "from" address is genuine but will change.  website has current one.
See you at SW show?   www.riscos-swshow.co.uk   Feb 25 Saturday

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#4462

FromRon <beeb@woosh.co.nz>
Date2012-03-20 23:26 +1300
Message-ID<9d175d7352.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>
In reply to#4460
In message <6faa2a7352.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
          Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Hmm, what can Alt-F12 do?  Other Alt combinations with Sh & Ctrl?
> 
> 
There is a Cntrl-Alt-F12 arrangement for changing alphabets.
It's a bit too busy already, F12.
I think Druck said that Taskwindow has improved over time and I
must admit I haven't had a situation that required F12 over and
above a Taskwindow for a long time.
The new Taskwindow timeslice option could well give it a big 
advantage if you want to get closer to singletasking for performance
issues.
I could be wrong, but F12 or *Wimptask GOS may freeze desktop display
activity, but uncontrolled multitasking is still going on behind.

Ron M.

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#4470

FromChris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk>
Date2012-03-20 12:55 +0000
Message-ID<ant201245868pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
In reply to#4460
In article <6faa2a7352.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
<URL:mailto:jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Ste (news) wrote on 15 Mar:
> > Hang on, the first one I mentioned was "*Commands" which is the F12 action.
> > I personally don't like this at all and don't think it should exist. On my
> > machine, I have set this up in the boot sequence:
> >     Set Alias$ShellCLI TaskWindow GOS -name TaskWindow
> > but in the past I've had it set up to do nothing at all.
> 
> Naked F12 is a pitfall for newcomers -- I well remember my own early 
> experience of hitting it by accident and now and then my wife does it 
> and then has to ask what happened and how to get back to normal.

RISC OS 6 Ameliorates this by printing one line of text before the
star prompt saying:
To exit command line shell, press Return on an empty line.
*



 
> Plain F12 then merely brings the iconbar to the front -- no harm if 
> hit by mistake.
> Shift-F12 is still handy enough to get to commandline intentionally.
> Ctrl-F12 unaffected -- taskwindow.
> Shift-Ctrl-F12 shutdown, as ever.
> 
> Hmm, what can Alt-F12 do?  Other Alt combinations with Sh & Ctrl?
> 
> 


Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
chris@cjemicros.co.uk     http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex,     BN11 2EN
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#4562

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-23 10:54 +0000
Message-ID<6f2feb7452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#4460
In message <6faa2a7352.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
          Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Naked F12 is a pitfall for newcomers -- I well remember my own early
> experience of hitting it by accident and now and then my wife does it
> and then has to ask what happened and how to get back to normal.

Why does it have to bring up a tiny line on the bottom?
(I can imagine why it needed to in the past, but now?)

A nice box in the middle of the screen would be better.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4568

From"David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk>
Date2012-03-23 11:57 +0000
Message-ID<9t36piF6t7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#4562
On 23-Mar-2012, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Why does it have to bring up a tiny line on the bottom?
> (I can imagine why it needed to in the past, but now?)
>
> A nice box in the middle of the screen would be better.

Err, yes. That's called a 'Task Window'.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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#4576

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-23 13:16 +0000
Message-ID<f726f87452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#4568
In message <9t36piF6t7U1@mid.individual.net>
          "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:


> On 23-Mar-2012, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Why does it have to bring up a tiny line on the bottom?
>> (I can imagine why it needed to in the past, but now?)
>>
>> A nice box in the middle of the screen would be better.

> Err, yes. That's called a 'Task Window'.

But a task window is multitasking.

The current behaviour is obviously contrived so it is the same as what 
was obviously easy to do in the original display chipsets.

With current video hardware, surely this doesn't need to be the same.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4570

FromChris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk>
Date2012-03-23 12:12 +0000
Message-ID<ant231215bc8pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
In reply to#4562
In article <6f2feb7452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess
<URL:mailto:phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In message <6faa2a7352.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
>           Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Naked F12 is a pitfall for newcomers -- I well remember my own early
> > experience of hitting it by accident and now and then my wife does it
> > and then has to ask what happened and how to get back to normal.
> 
> Why does it have to bring up a tiny line on the bottom?
> (I can imagine why it needed to in the past, but now?)
> 
> A nice box in the middle of the screen would be better.

A task window has its benefits but one of the things I do about once a year,
which wouldn't work in a task window is to spool out all the files on our
main hard disc with:

*spool filelist
*count share::FS.$.* r v
*spool

with over 500,000 files on the drive  this takes about three hours at an F12
prompt, in a task window it is much slower 12+ hours at a guess, it would
also be larger than 28MB so would need an Iyonix with Aemulor off.

I then cut down the file into sections, which can be used to search for
files that we've forgotten their location.

Using the filer file->Find is far to slow to be used on a drive with a lot
of files.



Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
chris@cjemicros.co.uk     http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex,     BN11 2EN
The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!

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#4574

FromChris Gransden <chrisg@care4free.net>
Date2012-03-23 12:59 +0000
Message-ID<5274f693dbchrisg@care4free.net>
In reply to#4570
In article <ant231215bc8pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
   Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> A task window has its benefits but one of the things I do about once a year,
> which wouldn't work in a task window is to spool out all the files on our
> main hard disc with:

> *spool filelist
> *count share::FS.$.* r v
> *spool

> with over 500,000 files on the drive  this takes about three hours at an F12
> prompt, in a task window it is much slower 12+ hours at a guess, it would
> also be larger than 28MB so would need an Iyonix with Aemulor off.

> I then cut down the file into sections, which can be used to search for
> files that we've forgotten their location.

> Using the filer file->Find is far to slow to be used on a drive with a lot
> of files.

File redirection should be much faster,

count share::FS.$.* r v { > filelist }

Chris.

-- 
Email: chrisg@care4free.net

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#4587

FromPaul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
Date2012-03-23 18:13 +0100
Message-ID<52750dd47bPaul@sprie.nl>
In reply to#4574
In article <ant231215bc8pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
   Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> *spool filelist
> *count share::FS.$.* r v
> *spool


In article <5274f693dbchrisg@care4free.net>,
   Chris Gransden <chrisg@care4free.net> wrote:

> File redirection should be much faster,
> count share::FS.$.* r v { > filelist }


This is interesting.
I've done some timings on an Iyonix (5.18), with a 1900 x 1200 screen and
16 million colours.
The directory to be counted was my !Fonts directory, with nearly 10,000
files, making roughly 370 Mb.

Test 1: *Spool in a Task window, which took 2'34
Test 2: *Spool in a Task window that was completely covered by other
windows, which took 1'02
Test 3: *Spool after F12 (single tasking), which took 3'02 (!!)
Test 4: File redirection in a Task window, which took 0'40.
Test 5: File redirection after F12 (single tasking), which took 0'43 (!!)

Conclusion:
1. File redirection is indeed much faster that the *Spool command.
2. The single tasking operations after F12 appear to be slower, or even
much slower than the same operations in a multi tasking Task window!
Now, isn't that interesting?

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#4589

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-23 18:50 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.5065528908494712350@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4587
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:13:09 +0100, Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> 
wrote:

> Conclusion:

You missed one. Boot your computer to command line (IIRC power up 
holding Shift and keypad * both down) and try it on a vanilla system 
with *nothing* loaded.


> 1. File redirection is indeed much faster that the *Spool command.

Indeed. File redirection ought to dump bytes to a file. With spool, 
it goes via OS_WRCH and vectors and interception and to file and VDU 
and a horrible amount of faffing around. Remember, scrolling and such 
is handled by RISC OS.


> 2. The single tasking operations after F12 appear to be slower, or 
even
> much slower than the same operations in a multi tasking Task window!

That makes *no* sense whatsoever. Does the Iyonix handle F12 somehow 
differently to before?


> Now, isn't that interesting?

I've had a flashback to a bearded tweed jacket guy who used to be on 
an OU programme in the late '80s (I would imagine it was filmed in 
the '70s?). Can't say what, I was young and it was late but I 
remember he used to say that phrase *all* the time, with stress on 
the "isn't". I recall wondering (as best a 13 year old can) if he 
expected an affirmative reply or if he really thought "meh".


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4594

FromPaul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
Date2012-03-24 09:42 +0100
Message-ID<527562f53ePaul@sprie.nl>
In reply to#4589
In article <almarsoft.5065528908494712350@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > 2. The single tasking operations after F12 appear to be slower, or 
> > even much slower than the same operations in a multi tasking Task
> > window!

> That makes *no* sense whatsoever. Does the Iyonix handle F12 somehow 
> differently to before?

Not that I know. Anyhow, I never noticed.


> > Now, isn't that interesting?

> I've had a flashback to a bearded tweed jacket guy who used to be on 
> an OU programme in the late '80s (I would imagine it was filmed in 
> the '70s?). Can't say what, I was young and it was late but I 
> remember he used to say that phrase *all* the time, with stress on 
> the "isn't". I recall wondering (as best a 13 year old can) if he 
> expected an affirmative reply or if he really thought "meh".

I can't speak for the bearded man, but the result of the timings is
interesting, I thought, because it is the opposite of what you would
expect.

The test is very simple, and can be done by everyone.
I'm curious if others will see the same result.

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#4591

FromChris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>
Date2012-03-23 17:53 +0000
Message-ID<5275118809chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>
In reply to#4587
In article <52750dd47bPaul@sprie.nl>,
   Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:
> 2. The single tasking operations after F12 appear to be slower, or
> even much slower than the same operations in a multi tasking Task
> window! Now, isn't that interesting?

Indeed. I can remember from a while back that during correspondence
with a user of some of my software that we were at cross purposes
when talking about the speed of certain utility operations. It turned
out that running it in a task window (as I was doing) was faster than
complete single tasking run from the F12 command line.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4577

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-23 13:18 +0000
Message-ID<b359f87452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#4570
In message <ant231215bc8pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
          Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

>> A nice box in the middle of the screen would be better.

> A task window has its benefits but one of the things I do about once a year,
> which wouldn't work in a task window is to spool out all the files on our
> main hard disc with:

I wasn't talking about a task window, just an alternative 
presentation. (There would be no mouse and no window furniture for 
example.)

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4579

From"David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk>
Date2012-03-23 14:03 +0000
Message-ID<9t3e4uFtjeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#4577
On 23-Mar-2012, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In message <ant231215bc8pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>           Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> A nice box in the middle of the screen would be better.
>
> > A task window has its benefits but one of the things I do about once a
> > year, which wouldn't work in a task window is to spool out all the files
> > on our main hard disc with:
>
> I wasn't talking about a task window, just an alternative
> presentation. (There would be no mouse and no window furniture for
> example.)

If you don't want to see the desktop and want a clear screen then press F12
followed by Ctrl-L.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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#4581

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-23 14:38 +0000
Message-ID<cbaaff7452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#4579
In message <9t3e4uFtjeU1@mid.individual.net>
          "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:

> If you don't want to see the desktop and want a clear screen then press F12
> followed by Ctrl-L.

I just don't want text in a size suitable for an ant's t-shirt logo at 
the bottom of the screen.

Decent size text in the middle of the screen (like with a task window) 
is what I would like.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4582

From"John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
Date2012-03-23 15:52 +0100
Message-ID<527500e978UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
In reply to#4581
In article <cbaaff7452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>,
   Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Decent size text in the middle of the screen (like with a task window) 
> is what I would like.

Then use a task window!

Best wishes, 
 
John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4595

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-24 11:43 +0000
Message-ID<8780737552.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#4582
In message <527500e978UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
          "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <cbaaff7452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>,
>    Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Decent size text in the middle of the screen (like with a task window)
>> is what I would like.

> Then use a task window!

I do, but the point was raised that a new user would get confused by 
pressing F12.

This would solve that.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4588

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-23 18:41 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.7763178787385391774@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4581
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:38:27 GMT, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> 
wrote:

> I just don't want text in a size suitable for an ant's t-shirt logo 
at 
> the bottom of the screen.

That is VDU text. As soon as you press F12 you're out of the desktop, 
the GUI, and anything else related. Text is drawn as a direct bitmap 
with no eigen scaling taken into account (so text in a square pixel 
mode is roughly half the height of text in a rectangular pixel mode). 
You could try changing to a different mode, but ideally you don't 
want to go to the command line that way in the first place...

Think of it like this - as soon as you press F12, your lovely RISC OS 
computer turns into a really really fast BBC micro... ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4596

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-24 11:40 +0000
Message-ID<f934737552.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#4588
In message <almarsoft.7763178787385391774@news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Think of it like this - as soon as you press F12, your lovely RISC OS
> computer turns into a really really fast BBC micro... ;-)

Precisely, but wouldn't this be contrived on modern graphics cards? 
(i.e a chunk of software to mimic the behaviour of VIDC.)

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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