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  Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 14:57 -0800
    Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Rob Davison <nospamthanks@invalid.invalid> - 2011-11-08 17:34 +1300
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2011-11-08 06:41 +0000
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-08 10:21 +0000
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2011-11-08 13:00 +0000
        Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-08 13:22 +0000
    Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-08 07:27 +0100
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-08 11:12 +0000
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Kevin Wells <kevinwells@talktalk.net> - 2011-11-08 16:44 +0000
    Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-08 04:02 -0800
    Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-11-09 00:30 +0000
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2011-11-08 21:24 -0800
        Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 09:08 +0000
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 10:10 +0000
            Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-11 11:06 +0000
              Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie JV <groups@wellowvillage.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 13:06 +0000
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2011-11-09 07:10 -0800
            Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 04:05 -0800
              Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-11-10 14:07 +0000
              Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 15:54 +0000
                Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 17:21 +0000
                  Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 19:16 +0000
                  Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 13:17 -0800
        Case-sensitivity in BBC BASIC (was: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 13:52 +0000
          Re: Case-sensitivity in BBC BASIC (was: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-20 16:17 +0000
    Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2011-11-10 03:26 +0100
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-10 09:20 +0000
        Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-11-10 18:29 +0000
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-10 18:54 +0000
            Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 05:59 +0100
              Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 07:16 +0000
            Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-11-11 10:42 +0000
              Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 11:27 +0000
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 09:55 +0000
        Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 18:57 +0100
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 19:18 +0100
      Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2011-11-11 01:11 +1300
        Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Fred Graute <fjgraute@planet.nl> - 2011-11-10 13:22 +0100
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2011-11-11 01:38 +1300
            Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Fred Graute <fjgraute@planet.nl> - 2011-11-10 14:33 +0100
              Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2011-11-11 12:19 +1300
                Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Fred Graute <fjgraute@planet.nl> - 2011-11-11 00:47 +0100
                  Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2011-11-11 13:06 +1300
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 16:22 +0000
          Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-11-10 18:28 +0000
            Re: Some observations from a RISC OS newbie Fred Graute <fjgraute@planet.nl> - 2011-11-10 20:59 +0100

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#2355 — Some observations from a RISC OS newbie

Inspired by the pending release of the Raspberry Pi, I've started
looking at RISC OS as the possible "base" of a simple "nettop" that
for use when I just want to do some minor tasks without needing to
fire up my PC. On the whole, I'm quite impressed: even on the
relatively slow emulated environment that I'm using to evaluate the
system, things move along quite nicely. The Iconbar and Pinboard are
quite intuitive to use and the consistent use of drag and drop for
file operations took a little while to get used to, but actually works
quite well now that I know what to expect. Finally, the pervasive used
of context-sensitive menus reminds me of NeXT (and not in a bad way).

However, I have noticed a few things that could be offputting to a new
user. First is the fact that RISC OS makes the assumption that
"everybody is British". Obviously, the vast majority of RISC OS users
are British, but the fact that the system doesn't even allow for a non-
UK timezone to be set is a bit of a disappointment. Second is the
software situation: simply put, there's not much software in the price
bracket that someone looking to build a low-cost Raspberry Pi system
would be able to afford. Even simple tools like file archivers and
mail readers cost as much or more than the Raspberry Pi itself and the
prices only go up from there. Finally, what's up with the case-
sensitivity in the BASIC? The ability to hack together small programs
in a simple language is great, but the fact that one has to ride the
shift key in order to do so is a bit annoying.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying RISC OS and I hope to be a part of the
community in the future and I really hope to get some pointers on how
to work around some of the issues I've mentioned.

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#2356

On 11/8/2011 11:57 AM, Michael J. Kerpan wrote:

> However, I have noticed a few things that could be offputting to a new
> user. First is the fact that RISC OS makes the assumption that
> "everybody is British". Obviously, the vast majority of RISC OS users
> are British, but the fact that the system doesn't even allow for a non-
> UK timezone to be set is a bit of a disappointment.

<Ctrl-F12>
*H. timezone
==> Help on keyword TimeZone
*Configure Timezone sets the time zone as an offset from UTC
Syntax: *Configure TimeZone [+/-]<Hours>[:<Minutes>]
*ST. timezone
TimeZone +13:0


...admittedly, this should all be prettyfied and brought out to a GUI
in !Boot. Maybe the ROL variants of RISC OS do this?

> Second is the
> software situation: simply put, there's not much software in the price
> bracket that someone looking to build a low-cost Raspberry Pi system
> would be able to afford. Even simple tools like file archivers

ZipEE is usable and free, SparkFS is, admittedly, a bit better.

> and mail readers

Long time since I used RISC OS for the internet. There used to be
a very workable free solution in the form of Messenger & Newsbase.
Presumably it still exists?

> Finally, what's up with the case-sensitivity in the BASIC?

Common sense? ;-)

ATB,


Rob.
-- 
Maple Glen  http://www.mapleglen.co.nz/
Photos      http://www.pbase.com/mapleglen/

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#2359

In article <j9abql$15g$1@dont-email.me>,
   Rob Davison <nospamthanks@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/8/2011 11:57 AM, Michael J. Kerpan wrote:

> > However, I have noticed a few things that could be offputting to a
> > new user. First is the fact that RISC OS makes the assumption that
> > "everybody is British". Obviously, the vast majority of RISC OS users
> > are British, but the fact that the system doesn't even allow for a
> > non- UK timezone to be set is a bit of a disappointment.

> <Ctrl-F12>
> *H. timezone
> ==> Help on keyword TimeZone
> *Configure Timezone sets the time zone as an offset from UTC
> Syntax: *Configure TimeZone [+/-]<Hours>[:<Minutes>]
> *ST. timezone
> TimeZone +13:0


> ...admittedly, this should all be prettyfied and brought out to a GUI
> in !Boot. Maybe the ROL variants of RISC OS do this?

[Snip]

Try !Territory

http://www.a4com.de/riscos/down.htm

-- 
Ian Hamilton (Iyonix RO5)  http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

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#2360

In message <j9abql$15g$1@dont-email.me>
          Rob Davison <nospamthanks@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 11/8/2011 11:57 AM, Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> > and mail readers
> 
> Long time since I used RISC OS for the internet. There used to be
> a very workable free solution in the form of Messenger & Newsbase.
> Presumably it still exists?
> 

Messenger is 26bit but there seems to be a 'Messenger Lite' done for
the 'Iyonix' - so RComp might be able to shine some light on its
availability for the Beagle etc.

-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#2363

> Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
>>  ... a non- UK timezone to be set ...

Rob Davison  wrote on Nov08:
> <Ctrl-F12>
> *H. timezone
> ==> Help on keyword TimeZone
> *Configure Timezone sets the time zone as an offset from UTC
> Syntax: *Configure TimeZone [+/-]<Hours>[:<Minutes>]
> *ST. timezone
> TimeZone +13:0

> ...admittedly, this should all be prettyfied and brought out to a GUI
> in !Boot. Maybe the ROL variants of RISC OS do this?

Yes.  The Configure dialogue in RiscOS 4 has a pretty front end 
already. (Well, 4.39 anyway; can't remember if 4.02 had it.)

Just to clarify something for Michael, as a new user.  In the 
command-line stuff above, Rob uses a couple of abbreviations.  The 
spelled-out forms of these commands are:

     *help timezone
     *configure timezone
     *status timezone

In general, OS commands can be abbreviated down to what's 
non-ambiguous, such as:

     *h.
     *con.
     *st.
     *.  is short for *cat -- a catalogue of the disc, the most 
     frequently needed command back in the days of the BBC Micro.

And something which I always forget:

     *status XYZ   reads the current state of   *configure XYZ
     *show reads the current state of *set, *seteval or *setmacro

(*show ought to be stated explicitly in the Help and in the User Guide 
under the various *set headings.)

I remember something that foxed me as a new user of my first 
Archimedes:  the screen suddenly freezes.  Eventually I noticed the 
thin strip of commandline at the bottom of the screen:  finger had 
slipped and I had pressed F12.  How to return to normal screen?  
Well, obvious with hindsight, just hit Return.

Nowadays I much prefer to use Ctrl-F12 to open a taskwindow for 
entering commandline stuff.  Big advantage is that contents of the 
taskwindow can be saved as a textfile if I want it.

Michael will be glad to know that command-line stuff does not care 
about upper- or lowercase.


-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk
>> "from" address is genuine but will change.  website has current one.

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#2364

On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:00:41 GMT
Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> > Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
> >>  ... a non- UK timezone to be set ...
> 
> Rob Davison  wrote on Nov08:
> > <Ctrl-F12>
> > *H. timezone
> > ==> Help on keyword TimeZone
> > *Configure Timezone sets the time zone as an offset from UTC
> > Syntax: *Configure TimeZone [+/-]<Hours>[:<Minutes>]
> > *ST. timezone
> > TimeZone +13:0
> 
> > ...admittedly, this should all be prettyfied and brought out to a GUI
> > in !Boot. Maybe the ROL variants of RISC OS do this?
> 
> Yes.  The Configure dialogue in RiscOS 4 has a pretty front end 
> already. (Well, 4.39 anyway; can't remember if 4.02 had it.)
> 
> Just to clarify something for Michael, as a new user.  In the 
> command-line stuff above, Rob uses a couple of abbreviations.  The 
> spelled-out forms of these commands are:
> 
>      *help timezone
>      *configure timezone
>      *status timezone
> 
> In general, OS commands can be abbreviated down to what's 
> non-ambiguous, such as:
> 
>      *h.
>      *con.
>      *st.
>      *.  is short for *cat -- a catalogue of the disc, the most 
>      frequently needed command back in the days of the BBC Micro.
> 
> And something which I always forget:
> 
>      *status XYZ   reads the current state of   *configure XYZ
>      *show reads the current state of *set, *seteval or *setmacro
> 
> (*show ought to be stated explicitly in the Help and in the User Guide 
> under the various *set headings.)
> 
> I remember something that foxed me as a new user of my first 
> Archimedes:  the screen suddenly freezes.  Eventually I noticed the 
> thin strip of commandline at the bottom of the screen:  finger had 
> slipped and I had pressed F12.  How to return to normal screen?  
> Well, obvious with hindsight, just hit Return.
> 
> Nowadays I much prefer to use Ctrl-F12 to open a taskwindow for 
> entering commandline stuff.  Big advantage is that contents of the 
> taskwindow can be saved as a textfile if I want it.
> 
> Michael will be glad to know that command-line stuff does not care 
> about upper- or lowercase.
> 

Here's a "handy list of star commands" as they're called:
http://iconbar.co.uk/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=10981#comments

-- patric

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#2358

On 07/11/2011 23:57, Michael J. Kerpan wrote:

> First is the fact that RISC OS makes the assumption that "everybody
> is British".

:-) At least it's better than Windows XP that installed itself as 
"English (British)" and *still* cannot correctly spell "Favourites" in 
the Explorer window.


> Obviously, the vast majority of RISC OS users are British,

True, but we have (had?) a good showing in parts of Europe and the 
Antipodes.


> but the fact that the system doesn't even allow for a non-UK timezone
> to be set is a bit of a disappointment.

!?!? *Configure Timezone ! :-)

I live in France, the only thing I have on UK time is my PVR and 
satellite box, and that's because they're tuned to British channels. I 
got sick of translating timezones and screwing up.


To set, use:
   *Configure Timezone
followed by + or - then the number of hours offset.
If you are in a freaky timezone with irregular offset, add a colon 
followed by the number of minutes, like -6:30 for 6 hours 30 less.

Thus, for France:
   *Configure Timezone +1

NOTE: Timezones are specified according to UTC. You can then use:
   *Configure DST
or:
   *Configure NoDST
as appropriate to set "daylight savings". You may well want to 
investigate the Territory options to see if your country has custom 
settings.


This reminds me - didn't somebody make a Territory editor? Do European 
territories use the euro? :-)


I reiterate my appeal - does anybody have the data/documents for, and 
the rights to, the RISC OS User Guide? I think it's about time an 
updated version was made and PDF'd. I'd offer to edit it myself, but I 
know very little about how RISC OS 5 differs from RISC OS 3.70.


> Second is the software situation: simply put, there's not much
> software in the price bracket that someone looking to build a
> low-cost Raspberry Pi system would be able to afford.

True - our software is either FREE or kinda pricey at times. Not always, 
but with the RaspberryPi coming in at $25, even something inexpensive 
could seem expensive.

Problem is, a lot of our software is one-man-bands who do it more for 
love than income (multiply the sales by the price then divide by the 
number of hours taken - you'll probably find minimum wage to be a 
magnitude larger). Given this, the price will be a little higher to try 
to make it somehow seem worthwhile their effort. Plus, I don't think 
RISC OS has neither the volume nor the infrastructure to flog "apps" for 
a euro or two. Think about it, a two euro app flogging five thousand, 
that's a potential €10,000 (but probably not in reality!). Now how do 
you price if you'd be lucky to hit far into three digits?


I will point out, as you want to talk about mind-mumbingly expensive, 
that Visual Basic 2010 Professional with MSDN essentials (whatever that 
means) is £715.07, with used&new from £500. [Amazon.co.uk, right now]
Adobe CS 5.5 Web Premium *upgrade* rolls in at £458...


> Even simple tools like file archivers and mail readers cost as much
> or more than the Raspberry Pi itself and the prices only go up from there.

SparkFS rocks, but - yes - SparkFS costs.
There is a free port of the GNU zip (InfoZip? something like that?), 
although with a command line interface it is not as easy to use. 
Somebody might have written a front end for it.


> Finally, what's up with the case-sensitivity in the BASIC?

Put simply - that's how things USED to be before VisualBasic appeared 
and decided Case Was Mostly Up To The Ide And Not The Programmer and 
offered Variant data types which - to an old time BASIC/C coder, strike 
me as the data type from hell.


> in a simple language is great, but the fact that one has to ride the
> shift key in order to do so is a bit annoying.

Caps Lock? :-)

Seriously, once you've been programming a while, you'll get used to it. 
Never stopped me in over a decade, and the shift key didn't wear out either.


> Anyway, I'm really enjoying RISC OS

Glad to hear it!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2361

On 8 Nov 2011, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> I reiterate my appeal - does anybody have the data/documents for, and
> the rights to, the RISC OS User Guide?

The RISC OS 3.7 User Guide, which could be a starting point, is at
http://acorn.riscos.com/riscos3/37/37DiscArchive/manuals.zip As for
copyright, http://acorn.riscos.com/acornftp.htm says that

   The majority of the IPR assets of Acorn are now owned by Pace Micro
   Technology plc. However all enquiries regarding the usage of the
   contents of this site should in the first instance be addressed to
   RISCOS Ltd.

User Guides for later versions were distributed, by RISCOS Ltd, with the
relevant system upgrades, and are not freely available.

[snip]

> There is a free port of the GNU zip (InfoZip? something like that?),
> although with a command line interface it is not as easy to use.
> Somebody might have written a front end for it.

Harriet Bazley has written an excellent front end. Download it from
http://www.starfighter.acornarcade.com/mysite/utilities.htm#infozip

Tony

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#2368

In message <4eb8cbc1$0$30795$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>There is a free port of the GNU zip (InfoZip? something like that?),
>although with a command line interface it is not as easy to use.
>Somebody might have written a front end for it.
>

There is and very good it is:

<http://www.starfighter.acornarcade.com/mysite/utilities.htm#infozip>


-- 
Kev Wells  http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/
http://kevsoft.co.uk/   http://kevsoft.co.uk/AleQuest/
ICQ 238580561
I am not an Alcoholic I am a Drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings.

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#2362

On Nov 7, 10:57 pm, "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Inspired by the pending release of the Raspberry Pi, I've started
> looking at RISC OS as the possible "base" of a simple "nettop" that
> for use when I just want to do some minor tasks without needing to
> fire up my PC. [snip]

A nettop port is being worked on (Efika MX):
http://riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/399
http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/567
http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/9/topics/692

> Anyway, I'm really enjoying RISC OS and I hope to be a part of the
> community in the future and I really hope to get some pointers on how
> to work around some of the issues I've mentioned.

Great! Maybe the ROOL FAQ should be improved.
http://riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/Frequently%20asked%20questions

Feel free to include your "newbie" questions at:
https://riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/New%20users%27%20FAQ
so the more experienced can address them. Viewing things from a fresh
point of view could be extremely useful in drafting new documentation.

Thanks.

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#2372

In article
<84aa0ae1-0aec-47bb-b474-e9ebc767e855@n38g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> However, I have noticed a few things that could be offputting to a new
> user. First is the fact that RISC OS makes the assumption that
> "everybody is British".

Would you believe I've never noticed this isn't present in the GUI
configuration tools?! I was about to say "Yes, RISC OS assumes you're going
to use !Alarm to change your system date/time, etc" so I fired it up and saw
that it resolutely talks about "BST vs GMT". He, he.

Well, as others have already said, this isn't actually a missing feature in
RISC OS - just in the default set of !Configure plug-ins.

> Second is the software situation: simply put, there's not much software in
> the price bracket that someone looking to build a low-cost Raspberry Pi
> system would be able to afford.

Agreed. Some developers (well, a few of the few remaining!) have unrealistic
expectations of what software is worth, I think perhaps they still believe
that there's a 'market'... a very few developers do have products that
justify the price tag though. I can't really see, given the numbers of sales
involved, how RISC OS software will ever be down in the app store range of
pennies per copy.

> Finally, what's up with the case-sensitivity in the BASIC? The ability to
> hack together small programs in a simple language is great, but the fact
> that one has to ride the shift key in order to do so is a bit annoying.

That's how the BASIC language works and has always worked. You could always
try Lua or Python or something.

> Anyway, I'm really enjoying RISC OS and I hope to be a part of the
> community in the future and I really hope to get some pointers on how
> to work around some of the issues I've mentioned.

Great. Always good to hear some feedback from someone who's genuinely new to
the scene.

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#2373

Thanks for the hints everybody. I've successfully got my timezone set
properly and more importantly, know how to do so in the future. As for
software costs, I'll admit that there are some packages that seem to
be worth their price (ArtWorks and EasiWriter/TechWriter come to mind
as such judging by the reviews and screenshots I've seen) but there's
still likely to be a bit of "sticker shock" for many of the DIY types
who would be most likely to adopt RISC OS as the basis of a project.
Perhaps, though, said sticker shock might inspire some of those DIY
types who happen to have coding skills to write some new software,
though, which would be a good thing. Finally, the BASIC comment was
more a joke than anything serious.

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#2376

In article
<d3daa148-cb66-46a4-8b4e-bb126aa6fa10@o14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll admit that there are some packages that seem to
> be worth their price (ArtWorks and EasiWriter/TechWriter come to mind
> as such judging by the reviews and screenshots I've seen)

Indeed they are. One of my daughters used Techwriter exclusivly throughout
her Maths degree and she achieved far better presentation and very
favourable comments for her work, than those using PC software; though I
realise that the newest versions of Word now have a proper equation editor.

As you are a newcomer, I cannot help but ask if you have checked out:

http://www.apdl.co.uk/pd.htm

and

http://www.apdl.co.uk/freeware.htm

I'm afraid I am unable to say how much of this will work on later machines
such as the RasberryPi because a lot will have have been written for the
26bit capable processors. I note, however, that DrawWorks MIllenium /is/
specified to work under RISC OS 5

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#2377

In article <522f5b9727Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <d3daa148-cb66-46a4-8b4e-bb126aa6fa10@o14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>    Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll admit that there are some packages that seem to
> > be worth their price (ArtWorks and EasiWriter/TechWriter come to mind
> > as such judging by the reviews and screenshots I've seen)

> Indeed they are. One of my daughters used Techwriter exclusivly
> throughout her Maths degree and she achieved far better presentation and
> very favourable comments for her work, than those using PC software;
> though I realise that the newest versions of Word now have a proper
> equation editor.

I'd add in ProCAD+. For some reason I find it easier to use than any of
the PC alternatives - even with a slower computer like this RPC. Of course
it could just be the devil you know.

-- 
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#2441

In message <522f6141b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>
          "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <522f5b9727Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article
> > <d3daa148-cb66-46a4-8b4e-bb126aa6fa10@o14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> >    Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

> 
> I'd add in ProCAD+. For some reason I find it easier to use than any
> of the PC alternatives

Version 1.06b here.

Has anyone tried it with the 'BeagleBoard'?


Thanks
-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#2444

In message <421f6e3052.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
          cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> In message <522f6141b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>
>           "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>> In article <522f5b9727Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
>>    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <d3daa148-cb66-46a4-8b4e-bb126aa6fa10@o14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>    Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]

>> 
>> I'd add in ProCAD+. For some reason I find it easier to use than any
>> of the PC alternatives

> Version 1.06b here.

> Has anyone tried it with the 'BeagleBoard'?

Seems to work ok v1.07

JV

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#2381

On Nov 9, 4:08 am, Stuart <Spam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> As you are a newcomer, I cannot help but ask if you have checked out:
>
> http://www.apdl.co.uk/pd.htm
>
> and
>
> http://www.apdl.co.uk/freeware.htm
>
> I'm afraid I am unable to say how much of this will work on later machines
> such as the RasberryPi because a lot will have have been written for the
> 26bit capable processors. I note, however, that DrawWorks MIllenium /is/
> specified to work under RISC OS 5

Indeed I've checked that out and I'm pleased to say that DrawWorks
(both Millenium and XE) works well on my RPCEmu (SA-110 mode) + RiscOS
5.17 testbed. I haven't had time to check out all of the other stuff
yet, though.

Mike

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#2401

Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
> On Nov 9, 4:08 am, Stuart <Spam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Indeed I've checked that out and I'm pleased to say that DrawWorks
> (both Millenium and XE) works well on my RPCEmu (SA-110 mode) + RiscOS
> 5.17 testbed. I haven't had time to check out all of the other stuff
> yet, though.

This doesn't currently look so encouraging for the Raspberry Pi
though.

http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/ARMv7%20software%20compatibility%20list#graphics

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#2406

trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> wrote:
> This doesn't currently look so encouraging for the Raspberry Pi
> though.
> 
> http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/ARMv7%20software%20compatibility%20list#graphics

It's not so bad as that.  BCM2835 uses an ARM11 core, so it's ARMv6
architecture.  AIUI Jeffrey's page:
http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/ARMv7%20compatibility%20primer
indicates that for alignment purposes ARMv6 can be configured to behave the
same as ARMv5 (in Iyonix).  So the range of software is potentially the same
as will run on an Iyonix (unless we find any other surprises).

I've just added RPi to that list.

Theo

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#2407

On 10-Nov-2011, trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> wrote:

> Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 4:08 am, Stuart <Spam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed I've checked that out and I'm pleased to say that DrawWorks
> > (both Millenium and XE) works well on my RPCEmu (SA-110 mode) + RiscOS
> > 5.17 testbed. I haven't had time to check out all of the other stuff
> > yet, though.
>
> This doesn't currently look so encouraging for the Raspberry Pi
> though.
>
> http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/ARMv7%20software%20compatibility%20list#graphics

As the person who posted the comment about DWorks XE doesn't give a version
number or date the comment isn't much use, especially as I've been told by a
couple of other people that the latest version does work.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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