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  New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 08:07 -0700
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-09-11 18:36 +0100
      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-11 19:53 +0200
        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 12:31 -0700
          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 23:19 +0100
            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 22:33 +0000
              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 11:08 +0100
          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Dave Stratford <daves@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 01:31 +0100
            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 09:56 +0100
              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 13:54 +0200
                Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 13:50 +0100
                  Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 14:39 +0100
                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 16:19 +0200
                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome CMS <musicman56@web.de> - 2012-09-12 17:19 +0000
                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 18:19 +0200
                          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 10:58 -0700
                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 19:29 +0100
                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 22:12 +0000
                              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-14 00:40 +0200
                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-14 00:45 +0200
                              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 11:22 +0100
                                Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 07:50 -0700
                                  Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 16:08 +0100
                                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 17:49 +0100
                                  Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 00:27 +0100
                                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 07:28 -0700
                                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 12:55 -0700
                                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 06:59 +0100
                                          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 10:53 +0100
                                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-18 11:42 +0100
                                          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 12:44 +0100
                                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 11:42 +0100
                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 13:35 +0100
                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:58 +0000
                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 18:23 +0200
                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:36 +0100
                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:49 +0100
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 19:34 -0700
      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:44 +0100
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 06:52 -0700
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 08:01 -0700
      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:59 +0000

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#6509

In article <c5bdc7ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> > IIRC, Netsurf is actually one of the programs that CAN not only handle
> > but make use of large fonts. The tool I used for the conversions was
> > created by NetSurf team and it lists conversion of large fonts with
> > good Unicode coverage as one of its features. Given that the fonts
> > have worked for some on NetSurf with OS 4.x (and have worked for
> > everybody using 5.x who's reported back), I wonder if perhaps some of
> > the problems people might be having might stem from missing/improperly
> > installed Unicode support libraries.

> In a sense, yes, but what is behind all this is the Unicode 
> FontManager, which is not part of RISC OS 4/6. The NetSurf team has 
> done some excellent work to make sure that NetSurf works on RO4/6 
> systems (ordinary FontManager by default) and on RO5 systems (Unicode 
> FontManager). Some users have installed the RO5 FontManager on their 
> RO4/6 system, which improves the behaviour of NetSurf, but that is not 
> a prerequisite for running NetSurf. !ttf2f produces fonts that really 
> should be used with the RO5 FontManager.

So would installing the RO5 Fontmanger on this 4.39 sort things? And is it
available separately from RO5?

-- 
*Cleaned by Stevie Wonder, checked by David Blunkett*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6525

On Friday, September 14, 2012 6:24:22 AM UTC-4, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> So would installing the RO5 Fontmanger on this 4.39 sort things? And is it
> 
> available separately from RO5?
> 

It's available from the RISC OS Open website: https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/module-zipfiles

The files to get are Fonts (version 3.66) and ROMFonts (0.75) This info comes from an article on Icon Bar (http://www.iconbar.com/articles/Getting_Unicode_Working_With_RISC_OS_4_and_6/index1267.html) and seems to work for folks, so I think I'll post this information and a link on the front page for my fonts. I may also add the info to a readme file for people who obtain my conversions from sources other than my site.

Mike

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#6527

In article <9235faf5-b4e7-4ce3-96e5-43bb5495e041@googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 14, 2012 6:24:22 AM UTC-4, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > So would installing the RO5 Fontmanger on this 4.39 sort things? And
> > is it
> > 
> > available separately from RO5?
> > 

> It's available from the RISC OS Open website:
> https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/module-zipfiles

> The files to get are Fonts (version 3.66) and ROMFonts (0.75) This info
> comes from an article on Icon Bar
> (http://www.iconbar.com/articles/Getting_Unicode_Working_With_RISC_OS_4_and_6/index1267.html)
> and seems to work for folks, so I think I'll post this information and a
> link on the front page for my fonts. I may also add the info to a readme
> file for people who obtain my conversions from sources other than my
> site.

Thanks, Mike. Just for information, I tried dropping it into both DrFonty
and FontEd, and both complain about there being more than 255 characters.
Of course I don't understand the implications of this. ;-)

-- 
*Why is it considered necessary to screw down the lid of a coffin?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6533

On 14 Sep, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> I tried dropping it into both DrFonty and FontEd, and both complain
> about there being more than 255 characters.

Works fine with EasyFont Pro 5.18u and doesn't complain about the 
number of characters.
-- 
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
-----------------------------------------------------
Karl Marx's grave. Just another Communist Plot?

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#6550

In article <9235faf5-b4e7-4ce3-96e5-43bb5495e041@googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So would installing the RO5 Fontmanger on this 4.39 sort things? And is it
> > 
> > available separately from RO5?
> > 

> It's available from the RISC OS Open website: https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/module-zipfiles

> The files to get are Fonts (version 3.66) and ROMFonts (0.75) This info
> comes from an article on Icon Bar
> (http://www.iconbar.com/articles/Getting_Unicode_Working_With_RISC_OS_4_and_6/index1267.html)
> and seems to work for folks, so I think I'll post this information and a
> link on the front page for my fonts. I may also add the info to a readme
> file for people who obtain my conversions from sources other than my
> site.

Thanks very much for your efforts, Michael. I've installed the above, and
everything is working fine now.

Keep the fonts coming - I can never get enough. ;-)

-- 
*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6577

On Friday, September 14, 2012 7:28:14 PM UTC-4, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> Thanks very much for your efforts, Michael. I've installed the above, and
> 
> everything is working fine now.

I'm glad that you appreciate the effort (and the fonts)

I'll probably be doing Exo (http://www.ndiscovered.com/index.php/exo-font-family) as my next project. I may also mirror a copy of the Quicksand translation from piLEARN (given the license, that should be OK) simply so that all available conversions can be available in one place.

Also, I'm using Google Webfonts (http://www.google.com/webfonts) and Font Squirrel (http://www.fontsquirrel.com/) as discovery tools. If folks want to have a look at what's available for conversion and make requests those would be the sites to look at.

Mike

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#6580

Just another update. I've posted my conversion of the Exo family, a futuristic sans face with nine weights (Thin to Black) and an italic for each (18 total fonts) As always, the font is available at the site (https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/) and comments are welcome.

Also, would people prefer that I keep announcements of new font postings in this thread or would they prefer that I start creating new threads for new fonts?

Mike

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#6582

In article <5f3d8c06-1d5b-479e-8375-593fa7832cc5@googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just another update. I've posted my conversion of the Exo family, a
> futuristic sans face with nine weights (Thin to Black) and an italic for
> each (18 total fonts) As always, the font is available at the site
> (https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/) and comments are welcome.

> Also, would people prefer that I keep announcements of new font postings
> in this thread or would they prefer that I start creating new threads
> for new fonts?

> Mike

Comments are welcome... I bet they are not.  ;-)

Installed it and had a play.
Sorry sport... What's futuristic about the Exo font? It's just a usual,
boring old bog standard type sans serif font.
A lot of the sub weights are really a waste of effort, too thin, too
weedy, why bother?

Find something new, unusual or exciting to convert and I'll give you a
round of applause.  :-)

D.

PS: At larger sizes, as one would use in a title or similar, some of the
characters are not well formed.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#6586

In article <52d0fecbd4dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<URL:mailto:dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5f3d8c06-1d5b-479e-8375-593fa7832cc5@googlegroups.com>,
>    Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just another update. I've posted my conversion of the Exo family, a
> > futuristic sans face with nine weights (Thin to Black) and an italic for
> > each (18 total fonts) As always, the font is available at the site
> > (https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/) and comments are welcome.
> 
> > Also, would people prefer that I keep announcements of new font postings
> > in this thread or would they prefer that I start creating new threads
> > for new fonts?
> 
> > Mike
> 
> Comments are welcome... I bet they are not.  ;-)
> 
> Installed it and had a play.
> Sorry sport... What's futuristic about the Exo font? It's just a usual,
> boring old bog standard type sans serif font.
> A lot of the sub weights are really a waste of effort, too thin, too
> weedy, why bother?

A number of times I've wished a font had more than three weights!
Seven does not sound excessive to me.
 
Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
chris@cjemicros.co.uk     http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex,     BN11 2EN
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#6587

> > In article
> >    <5f3d8c06-1d5b-479e-8375-593fa7832cc5@googlegroups.com>,
> >    Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just another update. I've posted my conversion of the
> > > Exo family, a futuristic sans face with nine weights
> > > (Thin to Black) and an italic for each (18 total fonts)
> > > As always, the font is available at the site
> > > (https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/) and
> > > comments are welcome.
> > 
> > > Also, would people prefer that I keep announcements of
> > > new font postings in this thread or would they prefer
> > > that I start creating new threads for new fonts?
> > 
> > > Mike

Michael thanks for the work, perhaps as its going to be an
irregular addition to the site a new posting might be better
especially as it spreads the message to new subscribers.

Perhaps you could also look at adding a jpeg of the look of
each font on the web page?

-- 
besters
Ned

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#6593

In article <52d0fecbd4dave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Installed it and had a play.
> Sorry sport... What's futuristic about the Exo font? It's just a usual,
> boring old bog standard type sans serif font.
> A lot of the sub weights are really a waste of effort, too thin, too
> weedy, why bother?

It looks different enough from any of the other similar ones I have to be
worth it.

-- 
*Confession is good for the soul, but bad for your career.  

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6592

In article
<5f3d8c06-1d5b-479e-8375-593fa7832cc5@googlegroups.com>, Michael
J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

> Also, would people prefer that I keep announcements of new
> font postings in this thread or would they prefer that I start
> creating new threads for new fonts?

Please /announce/ any new fonts in c.s.a.announce rather than
here. This group is of course the right place for any follow-up
discussion.

Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK  
______________________________________________________________

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#6483

In article <ant1217030b0=WG%@x.yz.z>,
   CMS <musicman56@web.de> wrote:
> > Well, if NetSurf starts up without Cabin installed and refuses to 
> > start up with Cabin installed, then that case is pretty clear, isn't 
> > it? That still does not prove that Cabin is really faulty, but it does 
> > prove that the startup problem is caused by Cabin.
> > 


> I have deleted the 'Encoding' Files in the Cabin Directory. After that
> Netsurf is working

I've tried that and now get another error with Netsurf. The log file shows
this for virtually all the Cabin fonts:-

rufl_init.c rufl_init_scan_font_in_encoding 723:
xfont_find_font("Cabin.Bold\ELatin1")

: 0xd6: File
'IDEFS::Workshop.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Fonts.Cabin.Bold.IntMetric0' not found

-- 
*7up is good for you, signed snow white*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6450

On 12 Sep 2012, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <bd3d08ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
> > <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> > > NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
> > > available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
> > > characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than
> > > any other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble
> > > over any problems with the font.
>
> > Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?
>
> Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'

Maybe a silly question: are you installing the font using Configure >
Fonts > Install fonts > Drop the new !Fonts here...? If you are just
copying the font directory into !Fonts, the Messages1 file will not be
updated, and pehaps this will take NetSurf, by surprise, when scanning.

Tony

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#6453

In message <4e991ece52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
          Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 12 Sep 2012, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <bd3d08ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
>>> <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

>>>> NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
>>>> available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
>>>> characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than
>>>> any other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble
>>>> over any problems with the font.
>>
>>> Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?
>>
>> Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'

> Maybe a silly question: are you installing the font using Configure >
> Fonts > Install fonts > Drop the new !Fonts here...? If you are just
> copying the font directory into !Fonts, the Messages1 file will not be
> updated, and pehaps this will take NetSurf, by surprise, when scanning.

No, that is not the problem. The NetSurf error occurs even if there is 
no Messages1 file in the directory. Besides, the only consequence of 
an outdated Messages1 file that I am aware of is that the font is not 
seen at all.

-- 
Martin
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#6456

In article <4e991ece52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
   Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2012, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
> > <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <bd3d08ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
> > > <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> > > > NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
> > > > available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
> > > > characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than
> > > > any other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble
> > > > over any problems with the font.
> >
> > > Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?
> >
> > Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'

> Maybe a silly question: are you installing the font using Configure >
> Fonts > Install fonts > Drop the new !Fonts here...? If you are just
> copying the font directory into !Fonts, the Messages1 file will not be
> updated, and pehaps this will take NetSurf, by surprise, when scanning.

Yes - installed that way followed by a rescan. What is the Messages1 file?

-- 
*If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
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#6458

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>Yes - installed that way followed by a rescan. What is the Messages1 file?

An index of available fonts so that it needn't be determined (slowly) every
time some app wants to see what fonts are present.

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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#6427

I'm glad to hear that my conversion seems to work for most people. I'm debating what I should convert next? Part of me wants to do Roboto (another super-complete Sans Serif family) but another part of me wants to do a serifed face. Any favorite open/free fonts that folks would like converted?

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#6447

Michael J. Kerpan wrote on 12 Sep:
> I'm debating what I should convert next? Part of me wants to do Roboto
> (another super-complete Sans Serif family) but another part of me
> wants to do a serifed face. Any favorite open/free fonts that folks
> would like converted?

I was going to suggest Quicksand, the font that the Raspberry Pi has 
adopted, but then checked and found Martin Hansen has already 
converted it for RiscOS: www.pilearn.com/Pages/Page0004.html

-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk
>> "from" address is genuine but will change.  website has current one.

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#6439

I'm wondering if the problems that Dave is having might come from the fact that I'm using !ttf2f for my conversions. Apparently, the fonts it produces are optimized for RISC OS 5, though the fact that my Cabin conversion has worked for others in RISC OS 4/6 indicates that the problem might be a bit more complex than that. 

Maybe I should add a PayPal donate button and try to raise to funds to buy a copy of !effTTT ;)

Mike

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