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  The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2011-12-25 10:00 +0200
    Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-26 02:13 +0100
      Re: / software updater Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2011-12-28 12:17 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-01-03 22:30 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 09:30 +0100
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-07 11:19 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 09:14 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-01-04 11:52 +0100
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 20:36 +0000
              Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-01-05 10:33 +0000
                Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 10:40 +0000
                  Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 13:48 +0000
                Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-06 08:11 +0100
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-01-04 17:58 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 20:35 +0000
    Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-26 19:48 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 12:53 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2011-12-27 13:03 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 13:36 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-27 17:03 +0100
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 16:31 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 18:27 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 18:37 +0000
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 22:23 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-12-28 09:54 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-29 05:04 +0100
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-29 10:13 +0000
              Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2011-12-29 11:36 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 09:44 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-04 10:14 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 10:49 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 10:58 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 19:36 +0000
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 22:11 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-04 19:47 +0000
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 22:08 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-01-04 11:39 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 12:58 +0000

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#3140

In message <mpro.lwv54q006tzhq042c.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>
          Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:

>
>** Doesn't the Messenger Pro/Hermes combo allow RSS feeds to be read?

Yes, Hermes
>


-- 
Kev Wells  http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/
http://kevsoft.co.uk/   http://kevsoft.co.uk/AleQuest/
ICQ 238580561
When all else fails twat it with a hammer.

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#3141

In article <mpro.lwv54q006tzhq042c.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>,
   Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip useful RSS feeds.]

> The advantage of RSS, of course, is that you don't need to make regular
> visits to those sites: The news, in effect, comes to you.

> I'm not sure what the state of RSS is on RISC OS, though** - I use Google
> Reader on my laptop (via my iGoogle homepage), my phone and my tablet.

Bah! No wonder we're still awaiting the new WebChange manual. Too busy
reading RSS feeds ;-).

> (I don't think RISCOScode has an RSS feed, but there's always the Twitter
> account: http://twitter.com/#!/RISCOScode )

Bah Humbug! In triplicate.

Regards Ron.

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#3164

Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <mpro.lwv54q006tzhq042c.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>,
>    Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip useful RSS feeds.]
 
> > I'm not sure what the state of RSS is on RISC OS, though** - I use
> > Google Reader on my laptop (via my iGoogle homepage), my phone and my
> > tablet.
 
> Bah! No wonder we're still awaiting the new WebChange manual. Too busy
> reading RSS feeds ;-).

Hang on... WebChange manual? Sounds familiar, like I should know what it is,
but it's escaping me right now... ;)
 
[...]

-- 
Soft Rock Software:                   http://www.softrock.co.uk
Vince M Hudd:                         http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/
RISCOSitory:                          http://www.riscository.com

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#3176

In article <mpro.lx153200gu4oi04g4.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>,
   Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip.]

> > Bah! No wonder we're still awaiting the new WebChange manual. Too busy
> > reading RSS feeds ;-).

> Hang on... WebChange manual? Sounds familiar, like I should know what it
> is, but it's escaping me right now... ;)

:-)).

Regards Ron.

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#3142

On 27 Dec 2011  Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:

Thanks, Vince and Ron. Catching up after a very busy Christmas.

> Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> [...]

>> There is also the RISC OS Blog. <http://www.riscosblog.co.uk/>

Is this site down? I keep getting a message that the bandwidth is 
exceeded.

> RSS feed: http://riscosblog.co.uk/index.php/feed/rss/posts

And this fails as well.

>> Also RISCOSitory. <http://www.riscository.com/>

> RSS feed: http://www.riscository.com/feed/

>> Or even riscos.info. <http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RISC_OS>

> RSS feed: http://www.riscos.info/riscos.rss

Got these working, and thanks again.

>> Regular visits to those sites  should keep you up to date with your
>> software.

> The advantage of RSS, of course, is that you don't need to make regular
> visits to those sites: The news, in effect, comes to you.

Indeed, and works very well with Hermes.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#3147

On 28/12/2011 10:54, Peter Young wrote:

>>> There is also the RISC OS Blog.<http://www.riscosblog.co.uk/>
> Is this site down? I keep getting a message that the bandwidth is
> exceeded.

>> RSS feed: http://riscosblog.co.uk/index.php/feed/rss/posts
> And this fails as well.

The site is sort-of down. He is with a host that provides a measure of 
bandwidth (usually per month), and having run beyond allocation the 
server is simply refusing access to the site.

It is annoying for users to see this, it is annoying for site developers 
to end up with their content cut off from the world, and it is doubly 
annoying as you don't have much control over who accesses.


If I might make a recommendation or two to the site owner (if they are 
reading...), drop in a little bit of PHP to log accesses by IP address 
and browser type. You may find a horrific amount of spider activity and 
a lot of it from China.

Recommendation #1: What it your refresh time set to? Be realistic, if 
you only update once or twice a week, you don't need to be telling 
spiders that the content might change hourly.

Recommendation #2: If you can access .htaccess (or write tight PHP), you 
might want to consider blocking accesses from China. Possibly the Soviet 
Republic as well. The amount of crap I've encountered on my blog from 
those locations (hello Yandex my old friend, I see you're spidering me 
again [and over to Simon&Garfunkel for the rest....]) that I block the 
biggest offenders by IP address. I've not felt necessary to block an 
entire country, but then I've not yet had bandwidth overflow issues. 
Thankfully.


Or... spring for a server hosted in the US where the prices are rosy and 
the features plenty (just don't expect much in the way of sane support). 
Except GoDaddy.
   Read > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/23/godaddy_boycott/
   And  > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/28/godaddy_uturn/
But as the commentators say, "withdrawing support" and "opposing" are 
two very different stances.


> Indeed, and works very well with Hermes.

Is there not a stand-alone RSS reader program?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3148

On 29 Dec 2011, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> Is there not a stand-alone RSS reader program?

Sargasso by James Bursa http://zamez.org/sargasso2.zip

Tony

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#3149

In article <e661214952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
   Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2011, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]

> > Is there not a stand-alone RSS reader program?

> Sargasso by James Bursa http://zamez.org/sargasso2.zip

I use Darren Salts !Ticker (http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/ and
click on the software button)

R.

-- 

  Richard Travers 
  richtnews@uwclub.net
  

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#3203

On 26 Dec 2011  Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <49cd054752.Alex@bavariasound.chiemgau-net.de>,
>    Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
>> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
>> don't know that there is a newer version.

>> So what about the idea to collect all the free software updates or
>> releases over the period of a year and to put them like a collection
>> onto a CD and spread it / them around XMAS?

> Or you could subscribe to ANS (Acorn News Service) Including the ANS RISC OS
> Filebase.
> <http://www.ans.org.uk/>
> Subscribe is via a link on the left or you could always just visit the site
> regularly ;-).

Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was, 
after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's 
administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the 
address given, and have had so far no reply.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#3205

In article <89ab354c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
<pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2011  Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <49cd054752.Alex@bavariasound.chiemgau-net.de>, Alexander
> >    Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> >> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because
> >> I don't know that there is a newer version.

> >> So what about the idea to collect all the free software updates or
> >> releases over the period of a year and to put them like a collection
> >> onto a CD and spread it / them around XMAS?

> > Or you could subscribe to ANS (Acorn News Service) Including the ANS
> > RISC OS Filebase. <http://www.ans.org.uk/> Subscribe is via a link on
> > the left or you could always just visit the site regularly ;-).

> Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was,
> after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's
> administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the
> address given, and have had so far no reply.

From the site

"The ANS Newsletter is sent out roughly every two weeks and provides a
round up of news from across the RISC OS marketplace."
and
"Current Issue: No. 260 (28 March 2010)"

As a retired anaesthetist Peter your knowledge of the effects
breath-holding is no doubt far greater than mine but as a layman in this
area my advice would be "Dont".

-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
______________________________________________________________________

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#3206

On 4 Jan 2012  Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <89ab354c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 26 Dec 2011  Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>>> In article <49cd054752.Alex@bavariasound.chiemgau-net.de>, Alexander
>>>    Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
>>>> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because
>>>> I don't know that there is a newer version.

>>>> So what about the idea to collect all the free software updates or
>>>> releases over the period of a year and to put them like a collection
>>>> onto a CD and spread it / them around XMAS?

>>> Or you could subscribe to ANS (Acorn News Service) Including the ANS
>>> RISC OS Filebase. <http://www.ans.org.uk/> Subscribe is via a link on
>>> the left or you could always just visit the site regularly ;-).

>> Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was,
>> after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's
>> administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the
>> address given, and have had so far no reply.

> From the site

> "The ANS Newsletter is sent out roughly every two weeks and provides a
> round up of news from across the RISC OS marketplace." and "Current
> Issue: No. 260 (28 March 2010)"

> As a retired anaesthetist Peter your knowledge of the effects
> breath-holding is no doubt far greater than mine but as a layman in this
> area my advice would be "Dont".

ROTFLMAO :-)  I'd missed that bit, thanks.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#3208

In message <524c3874debrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
  Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <89ab354c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 26 Dec 2011  Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]


>>> Or you could subscribe to ANS (Acorn News Service) Including the ANS
>>> RISC OS Filebase. <http://www.ans.org.uk/> Subscribe is via a link on
>>> the left or you could always just visit the site regularly ;-).

>> Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was,
>> after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's
>> administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the
>> address given, and have had so far no reply.

> From the site

> "The ANS Newsletter is sent out roughly every two weeks and provides a
> round up of news from across the RISC OS marketplace."
> and
> "Current Issue: No. 260 (28 March 2010)"

> As a retired anaesthetist Peter your knowledge of the effects
> breath-holding is no doubt far greater than mine but as a layman in this
> area my advice would be "Dont".

I have recently subscribed, there was no acknowledgement but ANS Issue 
280 duly turned up on the 4th of December 2011.

-- 
David Pitt

MessengerPro 6 on an ARMini running RISC OS 5

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#3219

In article <524c3874debrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <89ab354c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip.]

> > Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was,
> > after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's
> > administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the
> > address given, and have had so far no reply.

> From the site

> "The ANS Newsletter is sent out roughly every two weeks and provides a
> round up of news from across the RISC OS marketplace."
> and
> "Current Issue: No. 260 (28 March 2010)"

> As a retired anaesthetist Peter your knowledge of the effects
> breath-holding is no doubt far greater than mine but as a layman in this
> area my advice would be "Dont".

Issue 280 here, dated 4th December 2011. Oh and yes, I do get an email once
a fortnight ;-).

Looking at the e-mail you could try 

[Cut and pasted instructions.]

 2) How to subscribe to ANS

  If you are reading this on the ANS web site, or have received a forwarded
  copy of ANS and would like to subscribe to the mailing list, simply send
  a blank e-mail to <mailto:ans-subscribe@ans.org.uk>. Alternatively use the
  form on the ANS web site at <http://www.ans.org.uk/subscribe>.

  For details of other commands e-mail <mailto:ans-help@ans.org.uk>.

[End cut and paste.]

Regards Ron.

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#3224

On 4 Jan 2012  Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> Issue 280 here, dated 4th December 2011. Oh and yes, I do get an email once
> a fortnight ;-).

> Looking at the e-mail you could try

> [Cut and pasted instructions.]

>  2) How to subscribe to ANS

>   If you are reading this on the ANS web site, or have received a forwarded
>   copy of ANS and would like to subscribe to the mailing list, simply send
>   a blank e-mail to <mailto:ans-subscribe@ans.org.uk>. Alternatively use the
>   form on the ANS web site at <http://www.ans.org.uk/subscribe>.

>   For details of other commands e-mail <mailto:ans-help@ans.org.uk>.

> [End cut and paste.]

Many thanks, Ron, but it seems that, in spite of the fact that I was 
told that I wasn't subscribed, that I am in fact subscribed. I wait 
with bated breath.

Is it just me, or do the words "organise",  "punch-up" and "Irish 
pub", or even something about a brewery, come to mind? :-)

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#3220

In article <524c3874debrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Snip]

> From the site

> "The ANS Newsletter is sent out roughly every two weeks and provides a
> round up of news from across the RISC OS marketplace." and "Current
> Issue: No. 260 (28 March 2010)"

> As a retired anaesthetist Peter your knowledge of the effects
> breath-holding is no doubt far greater than mine but as a layman in
> this area my advice would be "Dont".

I note from other replies that this was bad advice and that the
newsletter is available, apologies to all concerned. That Peter, his
floor and laughing gear were activated, not to mention the bit that came
off, sort of makes it all worth while.

-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
______________________________________________________________________

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#3225

On 4 Jan 2012  Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <524c3874debrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> [Snip]

>> From the site

>> "The ANS Newsletter is sent out roughly every two weeks and provides a
>> round up of news from across the RISC OS marketplace." and "Current
>> Issue: No. 260 (28 March 2010)"

>> As a retired anaesthetist Peter your knowledge of the effects
>> breath-holding is no doubt far greater than mine but as a layman in
>> this area my advice would be "Dont".

> I note from other replies that this was bad advice and that the
> newsletter is available, apologies to all concerned. That Peter, his
> floor and laughing gear were activated, not to mention the bit that came
> off, sort of makes it all worth while.

What more can I say? :-)

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#3209

In article <89ab354c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was, 
> after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's 
> administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the 
> address given, and have had so far no reply.

I have been subscribed for some years and the ANS newsletters are
still being mailed out. The last one I received was Issue 280 on 4
Dec 2011. (279 was dated 31 Oct 2011).

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#3210

On 4 Jan 2012  Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <89ab354c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
>    Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Has anyone succeeded in subscribing to this? My subscribe message was,
>> after several days, replied to by a message "... the lists's
>> administrator has failed to act on your post". I sent a message to the
>> address given, and have had so far no reply.

> I have been subscribed for some years and the ANS newsletters are
> still being mailed out. The last one I received was Issue 280 on 4
> Dec 2011. (279 was dated 31 Oct 2011).

Thanks. I've also had an off-group message saying that the newsletters 
are coming through (thanks, David). I tried to re-subscribe, and then 
got a message to the effect that I was already subscribed, in spite of 
the fact that I'd had a message saying that the moderator hadn't done 
this! It does seem a trifle disorganised, but it seems that I will get 
these useful newsletters before too long.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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