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  Spurious "unread" items in Pluto David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> - 2012-09-26 19:28 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 19:50 +0100
      Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 20:37 +0100
        Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 14:45 +0100
          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-27 16:19 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 19:55 +0100
          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 16:29 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-09-27 17:32 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-27 21:12 +0100
                Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:35 +0100
                  Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:47 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:33 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-27 17:29 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 19:58 +0100
        Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 09:27 +0100
          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-10-02 10:29 +0100
            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 12:20 +0100
              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Chris Gransden <chrisg@care4free.net> - 2012-10-02 13:11 +0100
                Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 17:21 +0100
                  Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 21:17 +0100
                    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-02 23:00 +0100
                    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 06:05 +0100
                      Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 09:07 +0100
                        Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 10:01 +0100
                          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-10-03 10:20 +0100
                            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 12:10 +0100
                              Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-04 09:13 +0100
                          Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-10-03 10:26 +0100
                            Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-10-03 14:15 +0100
                    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-03 07:49 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 20:09 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-26 20:38 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-27 00:03 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-27 09:04 +0100
    Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:53 +0100
      Re: Spurious "unread" items in Pluto David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> - 2012-09-28 15:25 +0100

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#6680 — Spurious "unread" items in Pluto

In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all the
postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread items in
Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any unread items -
so I have selected the group and set it to "read".

The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for this
group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

-- 
David Wild using RISC OS on broadband
www.davidhwild.me.uk

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#6681

In article <52d5620b6edhwild@talktalk.net>,
   David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:
> In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all the
> postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread items
> in Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any unread
> items - so I have selected the group and set it to "read".

> The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for this
> group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

Are you absolutely sure there are no unread items?  Forgive me if I'm
suggesting something you've already done but have you tried sorting the box
bt Status, which puts unread items at the top?  Sometimes items arrive with
a wildly wrong date set and can hide themselves way down the list. 
Admittedly this seems more an issue with emails than news posts but just in
case!

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#6684

In article <52d564062ealan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
<alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d5620b6edhwild@talktalk.net>, David H Wild
>    <dhwild@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > In the last few days I have been finding that, when I have read all
> > the postings in the "Acorn" bo, Pluto tells me that I have some unread
> > items in Comp.sys.acorn.misc. Opening up the group doesn't show any
> > unread items - so I have selected the group and set it to "read".

> > The thing is I have had to do it more than once, but only ever for
> > this group. Has anyone an idea about what is happening?

> Are you absolutely sure there are no unread items?  Forgive me if I'm
> suggesting something you've already done but have you tried sorting the
> box bt Status, which puts unread items at the top?  Sometimes items
> arrive with a wildly wrong date set and can hide themselves way down the
> list. Admittedly this seems more an issue with emails than news posts
> but just in case!

An entirely reasonable suggestion. I have met that phenomena fairly often
and it is fairly obvious how to deal with it. In this case it isn't like
that. Though News In shows an unread article there is no unread article
within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread article indication.

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#6702

In article <52d568646cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

[ ... ]

> ... Though News In shows an unread article there is no unread
> article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread
> article indication.

I've had this for the last 2 days with c.s.a.misc.  It was not
cured by a full article repair, compact and re-index.  Using 
Pluto v3.04c on RiscPC.

Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK  
______________________________________________________________

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#6704

In article <52d5cbf687bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d568646cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> [ ... ]

> > ... Though News In shows an unread article there is no
> > unread article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account
> > for the unread article indication.

> I've had this for the last 2 days with c.s.a.misc.  It
> was not cured by a full article repair, compact and
> re-index.  Using Pluto v3.04c on RiscPC.

Definitely something odd going on.

This posting appeared twice in my csa.misc listing, though
only one copy was fetched from the server.

Deleting one copy and then opening the other showed that the
copy still listed in csa.misc was "in the bin".

Closing csa. misc, the posting was not there at all, so I
retrieved it from the bin.

There are now two copies again...

Much the same happened with the posting from John Mulrooney
in this same thread, yesterday evening.

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Russell
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#6711

In article <52d5d49cb5see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <52d5cbf687bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52d568646cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> > Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > [ ... ]

> > > ... Though News In shows an unread article there is
> > > no unread article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to
> > > account for the unread article indication.

> > I've had this for the last 2 days with c.s.a.misc.  It
> > was not cured by a full article repair, compact and
> > re-index.  Using Pluto v3.04c on RiscPC.

> Definitely something odd going on.

> This posting appeared twice in my csa.misc listing,
> though only one copy was fetched from the server.

> Deleting one copy and then opening the other showed that
> the copy still listed in csa.misc was "in the bin".

> Closing csa. misc, the posting was not there at all, so I
> retrieved it from the bin.

> There are now two copies again...

> Much the same happened with the posting from John
> Mulrooney in this same thread, yesterday evening.
Mmmmm
And although I;m sorting on Threads-latest, the duplicates
are appearing at the bottom of the c.s.a.misc list even
though they are unread.

But as I read the posts (at the top of the list) the ones at
the bottom change to 'read'

John

-- 
 John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

The brave do not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.

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#6705

In article <52d5cbf687bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d568646cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
> <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> [ ... ]

> > ... Though News In shows an unread article there is no unread
> > article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread
> > article indication.

> I've had this for the last 2 days with c.s.a.misc.  It was not
> cured by a full article repair, compact and re-index.  Using 
> Pluto v3.04c on RiscPC.

> Brian.

That is strange as I have had exactly this as well!  I'd assumed it was
just me.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Rob Hemmings                        Southport       
 
 robnews@rgvk.co.uk                

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#6707

In article <52d5d57f47robnews@rgvk.co.uk>,
   Rob Hemmings (news2) <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d5cbf687bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52d568646cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
> > <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > [ ... ]

> > > ... Though News In shows an unread article there is no unread
> > > article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread
> > > article indication.

> > I've had this for the last 2 days with c.s.a.misc.  It was not
> > cured by a full article repair, compact and re-index.  Using 
> > Pluto v3.04c on RiscPC.

> > Brian.

> That is strange as I have had exactly this as well!  I'd assumed it was
> just me.

No. I've got the problem also with Pluto 2.04b. Currently I have just the
one ghost post and just one of my marked (saved) posts is shown twice; when
I had the problem a couple of weeks ago, the number of repeated marked
posts increased to four or five - this was posts from the alphabetically
first thread being shown also at the end of the c.s.a.m section.

I solved it then by exporting each thread separately to
!NewsHound.News.folder, deleting all from c.s.a.m and then re-debatching
them.

-- 
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Avya-yaya namaha

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#6717

In article <52d5db3b1dspam-addy@no.spam.invalid>,
   Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> I've got the problem also with Pluto 2.04b.

2.05-a1 (hows that for obscure?)

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6720

In article <52d5ef71bdspam.pling@btinternet.com>,
   spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52d5db3b1dspam-addy@no.spam.invalid>,
>    Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > I've got the problem also with Pluto 2.04b.

> 2.05-a1 (hows that for obscure?)

My Pluto version is 3.04e so I don't think it is version specific.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Rob Hemmings                        Southport       
 
 robnews@rgvk.co.uk                

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#6722

In article <52d5f18a02robnews@rgvk.co.uk>,
   Rob Hemmings (news2) <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d5ef71bdspam.pling@btinternet.com>,
>    spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > In article <52d5db3b1dspam-addy@no.spam.invalid>,
> >    Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > I've got the problem also with Pluto 2.04b.

> > 2.05-a1 (hows that for obscure?)

> My Pluto version is 3.04e so I don't think it is version specific.

Interesting... My Pluto is 3.04e and I don't have any spurious unread
items.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#6719

In article <52d5db3b1dspam-addy@no.spam.invalid>,
   Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <52d5d57f47robnews@rgvk.co.uk>,
>    Rob Hemmings (news2) <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <52d5cbf687bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>,
> >    Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <52d568646cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
> > > <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > [ ... ]

> > > > ... Though News In shows an unread article there is no unread
> > > > article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread
> > > > article indication.

> > > I've had this for the last 2 days with c.s.a.misc.  It was not
> > > cured by a full article repair, compact and re-index.  Using 
> > > Pluto v3.04c on RiscPC.

> > > Brian.

> > That is strange as I have had exactly this as well!  I'd assumed it was
> > just me.

> No. I've got the problem also with Pluto 2.04b. Currently I have just the
> one ghost post and just one of my marked (saved) posts is shown twice; when
> I had the problem a couple of weeks ago, the number of repeated marked
> posts increased to four or five - this was posts from the alphabetically
> first thread being shown also at the end of the c.s.a.m section.

> I solved it then by exporting each thread separately to
> !NewsHound.News.folder, deleting all from c.s.a.m and then re-debatching
> them.

I have a single "ghost post" but no duplicate ones.  I'll have to try
your method of clearing it - thanks.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Rob Hemmings                        Southport       
 
 robnews@rgvk.co.uk                

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#6709

In article <52d5d57f47robnews@rgvk.co.uk>,
   Rob Hemmings (news2) <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> wrote:
> That is strange as I have had exactly this as well!  I'd assumed it was
> just me.

You are not alone - and as stated this only applies to csa.misc

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6712

In article <52d5db0154spam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling
<spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52d5d57f47robnews@rgvk.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings
>    (news2) <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> wrote:
> > That is strange as I have had exactly this as well! 
> > I'd assumed it was just me.

> You are not alone - and as stated this only applies to
> csa.misc
My uk.d-i-y group had similar problems recently.  It hasn't
happened since I moved the whole group into an external
folder and started it again

John Mulrooney

-- 
 John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

No matter how early you arrive, someone else is in line first.

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#6766

[snip]

> > Are you absolutely sure there are no unread items?  Forgive me if I'm
> > suggesting something you've already done but have you tried sorting
> > the box bt Status, which puts unread items at the top?  Sometimes
> > items arrive with a wildly wrong date set and can hide themselves way
> > down the list. Admittedly this seems more an issue with emails than
> > news posts but just in case!

> An entirely reasonable suggestion. I have met that phenomena fairly often
> and it is fairly obvious how to deal with it. In this case it isn't like
> that. Though News In shows an unread article there is no unread article
> within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread article indication.

This phenomena has shown up again. Through persistence and changing
comp.sys.acorn.misc Sorting articles to Status then a single article came
up as un-read whereas no un-read article had shown previously. I've
deleted said article and things now seem to be normal.

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#6767

In article <52d8421097bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]

> > > Are you absolutely sure there are no unread items?  Forgive me if I'm
> > > suggesting something you've already done but have you tried sorting
> > > the box bt Status, which puts unread items at the top?  Sometimes
> > > items arrive with a wildly wrong date set and can hide themselves way
> > > down the list. Admittedly this seems more an issue with emails than
> > > news posts but just in case!

> > An entirely reasonable suggestion. I have met that phenomena fairly
> > often and it is fairly obvious how to deal with it. In this case it
> > isn't like that. Though News In shows an unread article there is no
> > unread article within comp.sys.acorn.misc to account for the unread
> > article indication.

> This phenomena has shown up again. Through persistence and changing
> comp.sys.acorn.misc Sorting articles to Status then a single article
> came up as un-read whereas no un-read article had shown previously. I've
> deleted said article and things now seem to be normal.

I've had this happen again today and it followed a repeating pattern.

Post arrives from the the thread "Local browsing"

My RISC OS box shows up orange but has no unread articles.

I shift drag over all articles in C.S.A.M. and move then to another box.
At this point the mystery article shows up and can be moved or deleted.

Other items returned to folder and problem fixed until another post in the
local browsing thread fires it off again.

Posts by Filicity S and Tennant Stuart were the last two to trigger this
for me.

Cheers,

Bob.

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#6769

In article <52d847b5f1bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
   Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

> > This phenomena has shown up again. Through persistence and changing
> > comp.sys.acorn.misc Sorting articles to Status then a single article
> > came up as un-read whereas no un-read article had shown previously.
> > I've deleted said article and things now seem to be normal.

> I've had this happen again today and it followed a repeating pattern.

> Post arrives from the the thread "Local browsing"

Yes, Bob, I confirm that's the one that affected me.

> My RISC OS box shows up orange but has no unread articles.

> I shift drag over all articles in C.S.A.M. and move then to another box.
> At this point the mystery article shows up and can be moved or deleted.

> Other items returned to folder and problem fixed until another post in
> the local browsing thread fires it off again.

> Posts by Filicity S and Tennant Stuart were the last two to trigger this
> for me.

Cheers,

Brian

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#6770

In article <52d851e0d9bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52d847b5f1bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
>    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> [snip]

> > > This phenomena has shown up again. Through persistence and changing
> > > comp.sys.acorn.misc Sorting articles to Status then a single article
> > > came up as un-read whereas no un-read article had shown previously.
> > > I've deleted said article and things now seem to be normal.

> > I've had this happen again today and it followed a repeating pattern.

> > Post arrives from the the thread "Local browsing"

> Yes, Bob, I confirm that's the one that affected me.

> > My RISC OS box shows up orange but has no unread articles.

> > I shift drag over all articles in C.S.A.M. and move then to another box.
> > At this point the mystery article shows up and can be moved or deleted.

> > Other items returned to folder and problem fixed until another post in
> > the local browsing thread fires it off again.

> > Posts by Filicity S and Tennant Stuart were the last two to trigger this
> > for me.

You could try turning off article compression if you haven't done so
already. It's in 'Preferences->Misc'. I used to get a lot of problems
runnning Pluto on a Pandaboard until I turned it off.

Chris.

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#6772

In article <52d85695fcchrisg@care4free.net>, Chris Gransden
<chrisg@care4free.net> wrote:

[snip]

> > > I've had this happen again today and it followed a repeating pattern.

> > > Post arrives from the the thread "Local browsing"

> > Yes, Bob, I confirm that's the one that affected me.

> > > My RISC OS box shows up orange but has no unread articles.

> > > I shift drag over all articles in C.S.A.M. and move then to another
> > > box. At this point the mystery article shows up and can be moved or
> > > deleted.

> > > Other items returned to folder and problem fixed until another post
> > > in the local browsing thread fires it off again.

> > > Posts by Filicity S and Tennant Stuart were the last two to trigger
> > > this for me.

> You could try turning off article compression if you haven't done so
> already. It's in 'Preferences->Misc'. I used to get a lot of problems
> runnning Pluto on a Pandaboard until I turned it off.

Not sure of any relevance to my situation, Chris. Have run Pluto since
time immemorial with compression turned on and never seen the problem
described, with very few other problems.

Brian

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#6775

In article <52d86d686abbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Not sure of any relevance to my situation, Chris. Have run Pluto since
> time immemorial with compression turned on and never seen the problem
> described, with very few other problems.

I turned compression off "centuries" ago and I have yet to see this
problem.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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