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  Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 09:56 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 10:13 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:16 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 12:32 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:39 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 16:08 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:16 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:13 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:37 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:50 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:06 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 13:14 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:03 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 18:26 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:41 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:43 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 14:08 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 19:33 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:22 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 23:45 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 08:00 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:42 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 11:24 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 12:13 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:55 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 16:07 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 11:23 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:53 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 20:23 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:19 +0100
                        Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:46 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:16 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:10 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:12 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 17:53 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:14 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:19 +0100
                        Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 18:12 +0100
                        Re: Moving ISP John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 20:45 +0100
                          Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:47 +0100
                            Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:10 +0100
                              Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-06 10:23 +0100
                        Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:50 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:46 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:14 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:15 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:21 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:20 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:36 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:57 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:39 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 22:05 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-09-03 22:39 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-03 22:46 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 23:08 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 23:02 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 10:15 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:06 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:16 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 11:47 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:06 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:15 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:14 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:49 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 08:02 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 12:11 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-09 20:11 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 21:12 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 10:17 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-10 17:39 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 07:54 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:33 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:25 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:41 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 13:12 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-10 18:50 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-10 20:56 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:05 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:20 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:23 +0000
                    Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:13 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 12:31 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-11 00:47 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:14 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 06:47 +0000
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 10:28 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:14 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:58 +0100
                    Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 19:32 +0100
                      Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-13 00:38 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2012-09-10 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:55 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP (OT) Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-09-09 17:49 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:51 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 14:44 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 15:40 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-21 19:28 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 09:43 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-22 10:37 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-22 10:10 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 13:13 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:09 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:59 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:21 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-27 20:00 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 21:01 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-28 10:27 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 11:34 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 12:59 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 13:02 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 13:28 +0100

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#6396 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

On 10 Sep 2012, Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:50:47 BST "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com>
> wrote:
>
> > But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which
> > simply goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)
>
> Warning Pedant!
>
> ... but you fell into the trap that catches a lot of people. MOT test
>
> Ministry Of Transport test :)
>
> So a garage that offers MOT's is actually correct and one with MOTs is
> not.

MOT's, and MOTs, suggest several Ministries of Transport, sans testing.
Surely, if the garage is offering Ministry of Transport Tests, it should
be contracted to MOTTs?

Incidentally, Sir Ernest Gowers, in The Complete Plain Words (p172),
says that

   Whether an apostrophe should be used to denote the plural of a word
   or symbol that does not ordinarily make a plural depends on whether
   the plural is readily recognisable as such. Unless the reader really
   needs help it should not be thrust upon him. It is clearly justified
   with single letters: 'there are two o's in wooly'; 'mind your p's and
   q's'. Otherwise it is rarely called for. It should not be used with
   contractions (e.g. MPs) ...

This, I suppose, would be the justification for CJE Micro's.

Tony

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#6398 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:23:17 GMT
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 10 Sep 2012, Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:50:47 BST "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which
> > > simply goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)
> >
> > Warning Pedant!
> >
> > ... but you fell into the trap that catches a lot of people. MOT test
> >
> > Ministry Of Transport test :)
> >
> > So a garage that offers MOT's is actually correct and one with MOTs is
> > not.
> 
> MOT's, and MOTs, suggest several Ministries of Transport, sans testing.
> Surely, if the garage is offering Ministry of Transport Tests, it should
> be contracted to MOTTs?

The apostrophe indicates a missing word 'test'.

-- 
Will J G

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#6405 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:

[of MOT's vv MOTs]

> The apostrophe indicates a missing word 'test'.

It absolutely does not.  I can't understand why you would think that. 

It represents the missing letters of the word that starts with "T", so
"ransport".   (As the ' in "CJE Micro's" represents, CJE claims,
"computer".)

I've never understood why in this usage people think it necessary to mark
the missing letters of just one word.  Surely, M'O'T' or M'O'T's are then
the correct forms... Since these just look stupid, I tend to think "MOT's"
is also unnecessary.

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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#6397 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

Folderol wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply
>> goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)

> Warning Pedant!

Sadly, you missed this Warning Pendant... ;)


> ... but you fell into the trap that catches a lot of people. MOT test

> Ministry Of Transport test :)

WWWWWhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh!!!! :)


Fliss

-- 
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He said: Fossil collector Mary Anning discovered Pleiosaurs lived in the sea.
He said: The British scientist Mary Anning is best known for collecting what?

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#6399 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:47:27 BST
"Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

> Folderol wrote:
> 
> > Felicity S. wrote:
> 
> >> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply
> >> goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)
> 
> > Warning Pedant!
> 
> Sadly, you missed this Warning Pendant... ;)

Quite right, and thereby hangs the extreme danger of pedantry :?

-- 
Will J G

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#6400 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

On 10-Sep-2012, "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

> There's a *big* list of these on the office wall, from which the less
> obscure are: ABM missile, ABS system, alternating AC current, ATM machine,
> CCT television, DAB digital radio, EMP pulse, mega FLOPS per second, GPS
> system, GUI interface, HIV virus, ISBN number, ISO standard, ITN news,
> KFC chicken nuggets, LCD display, LPG gas, MIDI interface, OPEC country,
> RAM memory, RNLI lifeboat, RPG game, SALT talks, SAT test, SCSI interface,
> SCUBA gear, VAT tax, and VIP people.
>
> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply
> goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)

Someone beat me to MOT, but -
PDF = Portable Document Format
GCSE = General Certificate of Secondary Education
WAP = Wireless Application Protocol
GPS = Global Positioning by Satellite

I don't see the problem with RNLI lifeboat. How else would you describe the
boat? And what else would you call an ISO standard? You can't
(grammatically) call is 'an ISO', there's only one of those. The same with
OPEC country.

Also many of the others, despite apparently containing double words, are
correct. eg. with things like 'KFC chicken nuggets' or 'ITN news' the
initials are the name of a company and form an entity in themselves so it is
grammatically necessary to add the 'extra' word.

So sometimes it's not so silly. For example, what do you call the person who
tests a PAT?

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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#6404 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

In article <ab854nF8842U1@mid.individual.net>,
   David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> So sometimes it's not so silly. For example, what do you call the person
> who tests a PAT?

Not quite clear what you mean? The the person who conducts the PAT? If so
a PAT tester would be fine. If you mean the equipment, I'd guess it would
be covered by an engineer checking calibration. But then there's also the
person who conducts the exam the tester has to pass.

-- 
*It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying. 

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6414 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

In a mad moment - David Holden mumbled :


> So sometimes it's not so silly. For example, what do you call the person who
> tests a PAT?

Mrs Pat ?

-- 
|)    [
|)ryn [vans            mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com

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#6461 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

David Holden wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> There's a *big* list of these on the office wall, from which the less
>> obscure are: ABM missile, ABS system, alternating AC current, ATM
>> machine, CCT television, DAB digital radio, EMP pulse, mega FLOPS per
>> second, GPS system, GUI interface, HIV virus, ISBN number, ISO
>> standard, ITN news, KFC chicken nuggets, LCD display, LPG gas, MIDI
>> interface, OPEC country, RAM memory, RNLI lifeboat, RPG game, SALT
>> talks, SAT test, SCSI interface, SCUBA gear, VAT tax, and VIP people.

>> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply
>> goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)

> Someone beat me to MOT, but -
> PDF = Portable Document Format
> GCSE = General Certificate of Secondary Education
> WAP = Wireless Application Protocol

Yep.


> GPS = Global Positioning by Satellite

Oh, that's rather interesting, since everything from AcronymFinder.com to
the US Coast Guard Navigation Center says "Global Positioning System".


> I don't see the problem with RNLI lifeboat. How else would you describe
> the boat? And what else would you call an ISO standard? You can't
> (grammatically) call is 'an ISO', there's only one of those. The same
> with OPEC country.

I don't think there's anything *wrong* with saying those like that, and
only a pedant would insist on saying PI number - it's just when they're
pronounced fully, those repeating words make them sound silly.

Funnily enough, the worst of these to my ears has *no* repeating
words - Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus gear. :)


> Also many of the others, despite apparently containing double words, are
> correct. eg. with things like 'KFC chicken nuggets' or 'ITN news' the
> initials are the name of a company and form an entity in themselves so it
> is grammatically necessary to add the 'extra' word.

As we all know, but Kentucky Fried Chicken chicken nuggets is still silly.


Fliss

-- 
He said: You gotta fight fire with fire, spread around a raunchy nickname
         for her. What's that girl's name again?  He said: Regina Tucker.
He said: Don't worry. We'll think of something.

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#6464 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

"Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

> As we all know, but Kentucky Fried Chicken chicken nuggets is still silly.

But not if you say it as if it had been written

   I had some "Kentucky Fried Chicken" chicken nuggets.

After all, saying 

   I had some "Kentucky Fried Chicken" pork pancakes.

would be sensible.

-- 
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Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
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#6473 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

Jeremy wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> Kentucky Fried Chicken chicken nuggets is still silly.

> But not if you say it as if it had been written

>    I had some "Kentucky Fried Chicken" chicken nuggets.

Nah. Silly.


> After all, saying

>    I had some "Kentucky Fried Chicken" pork pancakes.

> would be sensible.

Which kinda proves the point.


Fliss

-- 
She said: You're waiting for a prostitute? A lot of people masturbate, I hear.
He said: No, sometimes a man needs to feel something other than his own touch.
She said: Then try switching hands - it's like being with a clumsy stranger.

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#6407 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

On the 10 Sep 2012, "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

<snip>

> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which simply
> goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)

Hmm. General Certificate of Secondary Education exam, Ministry of 
Transport test, Portable Document Format file and Wireless Application 
Protocol phone?

-- 
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The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.

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#6460 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

Graham Thurlwell wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

> <snip>

>> But actually I prefer the little list added to the bottom, which
>> simply goes: GCSE exam, MOT test, PDF file, and WAP phone. ;)

> Hmm. General Certificate of Secondary Education exam, Ministry of
> Transport test, Portable Document Format file and Wireless Application
> Protocol phone?

That's right, and well done for using the authoritative Adobe Acrobat
definition for PDF, not the often seen "Page Description Format".


Fliss

-- 
He said: If you'll just hop in the chair, for me...
She said: Got her. Repeat engagement. Had her filed away. Shall we go?
He said: I'm obsolete. This must be what old people feel like. And Blockbuster.

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#6383 — Re: Moving ISP (OT)

In message
<gemini.ma2z4l00949sx02p4.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
     Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2af870ca52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> > <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 5 Sep 2012  "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Got my MAC from TalkTalk, so it's going ahead. (They called it a MAC
> > > > code in the email header. ;-))
> > 
> > > That's what is called RAS Syndrome: Redundant Acronym Syndrome
> > > Syndrome. :-)
> > 
> > Shh. Trying to do some PAT Testing.
> > 
> > Then off to the bank to use my 'Personal Identification PIN Number'.
> 
> Then back home to your RISC computer.

That one doesn't quite work. Given that the reduced instruction set computer
refers to the CPU then a Risc PC (say) would indeed be a (reduced
instruction set computer) computer.

I'll go back to annoying onions now.

-- 
Fred

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#6368

In article <52ca5edc29dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> All I really wanted was to know any gotchas when setting it up with the
> Acorn side.

Possibly the mail smtp authentication - but there are answers.

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6640

Well, BT arrived today within the appointed times, and the very pleasant
chap was fast and efficient.

Strange thing is my laptop worked via the wireless connection straight
away, without entering any code. But my phone demanded it. After I'd
changed the WLAN name, the laptop demanded the password.

The other four machines are cabled to the router and both RPCs are working
fine including news and email which was a surprise. And also positively
whizzing along.

Both the cabled PCs are dead at the moment. ;-)

-- 
*Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6643

In article <52d2b4e17ddave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Both the cabled PCs are dead at the moment. ;-)

Entered their names in the router setup page and everything seems just
fine. Amazing how the likes of me panics over nothing. ;-)

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*Pentium wise, pen and paper foolish *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6646

In article <52d2b4e17ddave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Strange thing is my laptop worked via the wireless connection straight
> away, without entering any code.

Ah, you now have the ability to use ANY BT hotspot anyware for your network
access.
Basically your "homehub" has been setup as BT expect with the free access
for other BT customers to use turned ON.

It's a reduced bandwidth and you don't notice the use. You've saved them
installing a freespot in that area.

Of course should you change the setup of your laptop to connect via YOUR
secure connection, using the details the engineer provided (but didn't put
into your laptop you will find things faster,

-- 

Steve Pampling

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#6647

In article <52d2ced917spam.pling@btinternet.com>,
   spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52d2b4e17ddave@davenoise.co.uk>,
>    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Strange thing is my laptop worked via the wireless connection straight
> > away, without entering any code.

> Ah, you now have the ability to use ANY BT hotspot anyware for your
> network access.

Right. But doesn't a device which can make use of this need some code or
whatever entered? I've got at least 6 BT systems showing on the laptop,
and it didn't seem to want to connect to any of those before.

> Basically your "homehub" has been setup as BT expect
> with the free access for other BT customers to use turned ON.

Looking at the setup pages, it appears to be turned off. The engineer may
have done that after I commented on the laptop working right away.

> It's a reduced bandwidth and you don't notice the use. You've saved them
> installing a freespot in that area.

> Of course should you change the setup of your laptop to connect via YOUR
> secure connection, using the details the engineer provided (but didn't
> put into your laptop you will find things faster,

I did the speed test. 48.7 MB download, 7.5 MB upload. On paper that's a
huge improvement on before. But in practice I've not noticed much
difference yet. But I don't much download films, etc.

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*Funny, I don't remember being absent minded.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6649

In article <52d31d2aeedave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Right. But doesn't a device which can make use of this need some code or
> whatever entered? I've got at least 6 BT systems showing on the laptop,
> and it didn't seem to want to connect to any of those before.

Check the BT pages regarding the setup you need to complete and how you
can access other hotspots

> > Basically your "homehub" has been setup as BT expect
> > with the free access for other BT customers to use turned ON.

> Looking at the setup pages, it appears to be turned off. The engineer may
> have done that after I commented on the laptop working right away.

He may have taken it as a request for your BTFon element to be turned off
until you go through the config.

-- 

Steve Pampling

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