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  Wakefield (second attempt) Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-05-02 12:15 +0100
    Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-02 13:19 +0100
      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-05-02 14:08 +0100
        Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-05-04 23:20 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 05:23 +0200
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-05-05 21:13 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-05-05 10:26 +0100
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 12:10 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-05-05 12:31 +0100
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 13:03 +0100
      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 13:14 +0100
    Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 16:51 +0100
      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 18:57 +0100
        Re: Wakefield (second attempt) M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-05-03 20:08 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Thomas Milius <Thomas-Milius@t-online.de> - 2012-05-03 21:46 +0200
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Thomas Milius <Thomas-Milius@t-online.de> - 2012-05-03 22:04 +0200
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-05-04 16:48 +0100
        Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-05-03 21:22 +0200
      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-05-04 09:20 +0100
      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Brian <brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 12:11 +0100
        Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-05-05 12:39 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 13:01 +0100
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-05-05 13:18 +0100
              Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-05-12 11:34 +0100
        Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 12:31 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Brian <brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 13:32 +0100
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 13:43 +0100
              Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Brian <brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 15:06 +0100
                Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-05-05 15:23 +0100
                Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 16:41 +0100
                  Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 18:59 +0200
                    Re: Wakefield (second attempt) druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-05-06 11:28 +0100
                      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-05-06 14:58 +0100
                  Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-05-06 15:04 +0100
                    Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-06 20:00 +0200
                Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 18:50 +0200
                Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 19:43 +0100
              Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 15:18 +0100
                Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Brian <brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 15:48 +0100
                  Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 17:54 +0100
                  Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-05-12 12:12 +0100
                    Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-12 22:05 +0100
                      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-05-13 06:53 +0100
                      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-13 13:14 +0200
                      Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-05-15 11:40 +0100
            Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 16:36 +0100
              Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-05-12 11:54 +0100
          Re: Wakefield (second attempt) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 18:28 +0200
    Re: Wakefield (second attempt) charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 17:36 +0100

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#5496

In article <f992258b52.BrianFerris@brferris.orpheusmail.co.uk>, Brian
<brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> If I bought the Tablet to work with a PC I would expect the support
> from the retailer regarding using with the PC as I don't expect them
> to know about an Iyonix?

No. But you could easily buy one from a tablet-only vendor who is not
about to support every PC.

> If I got a product and it worked with an
> Iyonix that would be a bonus.

What does 'work with' mean? What do you expect it to do?

> But as the Tablet shows up as a drive
> just a drive it still doesn't convince me to buy it from RComp.

My digital cameras show up as an external USB drives. Would you feel the
need to buy one from a RISC OS dealer in case it doesn't show up as one?

> That
> was my whole point originally? If the item came with specific drivers
> or stuff to get it to work with an Iyonix

What does this mean?!

> then of course I would get
> it from them if I really wanted the device. BUT as there is no
> technical magic,know how,knowledge its still a premium price? You
> wouldn't do the same thing if the item was an ink cartridge or cable?

Other than the tablet acting as an external drive to exchange files, I am
at a loss to understand how else you think it will interact with RISC OS.

I must be missing something.

The use of Android makes a Google account pretty much mandatory and
therefore things like your address book are synced to the cloud. It is
worthwhile having a gmail account on the tablet which can also be
accessed with NetSurf (m.gmail.com) but for this you won't need a wire
between them, nor can tablets normally be networked via their client USB
port.

-- 
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#5497

In message <528eaca638tim@invalid.org.uk>
 on 12 May 2012 Tim Hill  wrote:

> My digital cameras show up as an external USB drives. Would you feel the
> need to buy one from a RISC OS dealer in case it doesn't show up as one?

If I was unable to get information online or from the high-street shop, or if
I felt technically ignorant, I might buy a camera (if reasonably priced) from
a RISC OS dealer for two reasons:

1) not all cameras will appear as a functioning drive on RISC OS when plugged
in via USB.

2) not all cameras record in video formats which can be played readily on
RISC OS.  I guess the file format for still photos could be a problem
sometimes.

Our camera (six years old now) records MPEG video.  OK, we use it mostly for
stills but it is nice to take the odd video and to be able to play back with
KinoAMP.  The camera fails to appear as a mass storage device via USB, so we
take the mermory stick out and use a separate reader.

> Other than the tablet acting as an external drive to exchange files, I am
> at a loss to understand how else you think it will interact with RISC OS.
> 
> I must be missing something.

If you have a tablet and a RISC OS machine in the same house it can be handy
to set up file sharing via FTP, NFS, Samba, or similar, especially if one
person might be using the RISC OS machine at the same time as another is
using the tablet.  My mother can access files on the machine which is usually
monopolised by my father because I set up appropriate apps on the tablet and
stuff on the Iyonix.

You can get apps for Android which will print to a networked printer.  Using
Dave Higton's print server software you can share the Iyonix's printer via
the JetDirect protocol.

Setting up e-mail accounts so that you can continue to use Messenger on the
RISC OS machine, but have the ability to read and reply from the tablet
occasionally is also quite fiddly to achieve if you're not familiar with
these things.

Which of the above R-Comp might be supporting, who knows, as we have not
really had much indication from them as to what the package consists of.  At
the end of the day it is not for us to criticise people for purchasing a
product which might well fit their needs very well.  If it doesn't suit you
because you're already well up on Android and don't need anything integrating
much with your desktop machine, just don't buy.  Simple as that.

(And not all Android tablets do act as an external drive to exchange files. 
The Samsung Galaxy Tab is one example, where Samsung decided to provide a
different way of doing things which does not work with RISC OS.  It is not
easy to find this out from a shop or online, expecially when you are new to
the concept.)

-- 
Matthew Phillips
Durham

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#5499

In article <16e6e28e52.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> (And not all Android tablets do act as an external drive to exchange
> files. The Samsung Galaxy Tab is one example, where Samsung decided to
> provide a different way of doing things which does not work with RISC
> OS.  It is not easy to find this out from a shop or online, expecially
> when you are new to the concept.)

And as a slight aside... Silly effers at Samsung decided to use their own
brand, proprietory port instead of the universal USB or mini USB which
means... as it will for most folks, you need to buy a Samsung to USB
adaptor and have that sticking out the side of your Galaxy to be able to
do any useful externally.

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#5501

On Sat, 12 May 2012 22:05:29 +0100, Matthew Phillips 
<spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Our camera (six years old now) records MPEG video.  OK, we use it
> mostly for stills but it is nice to take the odd video and to be 
able to
> play back with KinoAMP.  The camera fails to appear as a mass 
storage
> device via USB, so we take the mermory stick out and use a separate
> reader.

What do you mean "MPEG video"? I'm guessing either MPEG 2 or MJPEG?
Yes, more and more devices are supporting H.264 as it offers a good 
level of compression, along with AAC audio (better results than MP3 
for the same bitrate) along with widescreen (SD) or 720p (HD) formats 
as standard. My eeePC901 struggles to play my phone's HD recordings 
fluidly [*]!

That said, I think you'd end up paying a premium for resisting the 
march of technology...


Best wishes,

Rick.

* - My mom's HA1001 copes better. Same CPU but a less crap Intel GPU. 
Meh.

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#5520

In article <16e6e28e52.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>, Matthew
Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <528eaca638tim@invalid.org.uk> on 12 May 2012 Tim Hill 
>  wrote:

[Snip]

> 1) not all cameras will appear as a functioning drive on RISC OS when
> plugged in via USB.

No. With some you have to have an adapter to read its memory card via
USB. Seems quicker anyway than using the camera directly which I only do
with the SDHC card removed in order to read internal memory.

> 2) not all cameras record in video formats which can be played readily
> on RISC OS.  I guess the file format for still photos could be a
> problem sometimes.

RAW is an issue on any platform! For Video I tend to use alternatives to
RISC OS because of its deficiencies on Iyonix. Even the files it will
play are too slow, too small, or too coarse.

If you want to be able to edit movies too, RISC OS is not really an
option. (But, is anyone interested in a Risc PC with Videodesk but a dead
PSU?)

[Snip]

> > I must be missing something.

[Snip - file sharing was a given]

> You can get apps for Android which will print to a networked printer. 
> Using Dave Higton's print server software you can share the Iyonix's
> printer via the JetDirect protocol.

I did not know that. Thanks. Will investigate.

> Setting up e-mail accounts so that you can continue to use Messenger on
> the RISC OS machine, but have the ability to read and reply from the
> tablet occasionally is also quite fiddly to achieve if you're not
> familiar with these things.

Mmm. Because of the way GMail and your contacts database is integrated
across all browsers I use the tablet's native email app only for tablet
specific stuff but it was Very Easy to set up with a new POP account.
Fortunately, I can have as many mailboxes as I want and wouldn't want to
download POP email with two devices!

[Snip]

> (And not all Android tablets do act as an external drive to exchange
> files. The Samsung Galaxy Tab is one example, where Samsung decided to
> provide a different way of doing things which does not work with RISC
> OS.  It is not easy to find this out from a shop or online, expecially
> when you are new to the concept.)

Always a good idea to buy stuff online or by mail order within the UK and
return it for a full legal refund within seven days without having to
give a reason. Pay by credit card so that you can fall back on section 76
of the Consumer Credit Act if the seller doesn't know the distance
selling regulations. 

T

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#5376

In message <9115198b52.BrianFerris@brferris.orpheusmail.co.uk>
          Brian <brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <4183138b52.chris@o2.co.uk>
>           Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

>> In message <faa9118b52.BrianFerris@brferris.orpheusmail.co.uk>
>>           Brian <brferris@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:


[snip]

>> Google have been rebranding a lot of stuff of late.
> Yes,fully aware of that as a very happy Android user.



>>> Google Store is :
>>> http://www.google-store.com/google/webcontents/default.aspx

>> That one is for the USA market not UK.
> Yes.But the term Google Store is used in the text in the article.


>>> Not for Android Tablets!

Technically its correct it used to be called Google App Store

>>> I like to get the majority of apps via Google Play.

>> Its available.
> Great.
>>> If Google Play is not available then the wording needs changing.What
>>> is Google Store?

>> Fine, why not actually email the company concerned and point out the
>> mistake.  Like I have just done since you can't.
> Mmm.That wording was by Rcomp in the email digest link I got and the
> link at the top of this page.

But there is nothing to stop you emailing them first to clarify, or 
are you just trolling!

>>>  At least use the correct names.
>>> I don't always want to sideload apps.
>>> The virus side and protection is vital if downloading from other '
>>> store's '

>> Google Play is no more secure then any of the others.
> Mmmm.Maybe?

Its not a maybe it officially is not. Read the lateste reviews in the 
magazines.

>>> It's just sloppy marketing and misleading for some?

>> No, its a simple human mistake. It happens in the rush and run up to a
>> major show. Do you want to run a show?
> Could be a mistake.

It is a mistake by not adding the word App between Google Store.

> Not really,not my choice.Yours and good luck to you.Well done.


> But don't tell a customer to run a show, or similar do you ask a
> customer to run a shop?

I would if they can't be bothered to actually clarify the matter 
direct. You behave as if everything is perfect everytime and no one 
can make an innocent mistake, which was very quickly clarified on 
asking direct.

> Unbelievable!

Yes you are.

> You are selling a product and you want people to buy it?

I am not selling it.

> However I only found out from another review and link from ebuyer that
> the tablet doesn't run Google Play,thus my original query.

The go back and re-read the reviews because it tells you in the posts 
by users you can.

>>> You could spend a little more money and buy a different Android
>>> Tablet?

>> You can spend a lot if you want but this one gets very good reviews.

> I have done.Thank you very much and look forward to upgrading to
> another Android product HTC One X or Galaxy III.

Hope you enjoy it then, so why are you moaning here?

> What reviews?

There are plenty of reviews of the model concerned - do a google!

> Has the RComp one been reviewed yet?

Since its a model sold by others why? It has been reviewed by others.

> No.

Yes.

> That's why originally I wanted to know what brand Tablet this was so I
> could make that choice and it was revealed on here what is was or have
> an idea what it may be?

So people have answered your questions as best they can.

> Not even any information on the Rcomp website?

Ok.

> So can pick it up around £170 from ebuyer.com hence why would I buy it
> from Rcomp for more?

Wrong price.

Support from a RISC OS supplier to ensure you have it working with 
RISC OS kit for one and many users are either not familar with Android 
etc..



-- 
Chris Hughes
Sorry you have missed the Wakefield Show now.
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

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#5495

In article <b3e5298b52.chris@o2.co.uk>,
   Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> Technically its correct it used to be called Google App Store

You are confusing with iApple methinks.

Was: Android Market

Now: Google Play Store

http://www.esato.com/news/android-market-changes-name-to-google-play-store-2274

market.android.com redirects to https://play.google.com/store

-- 
from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com.
* Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg
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#5379

On Sat, 05 May 2012 12:31:40 +0100, Chris Hughes 
<news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> Google have been rebranding a lot of stuff of late.

Yeah. I'm still looking for the little green guy Market app when I 
want to check stuff. What the hell is "Google Play"? Sounds like 
something Sony might have thought up!


> That one is for the USA market not UK.

For those unaware (you're fairly well isolated from it in the Acorn 
community), licencing issues are insane. It is quite possible for two 
tablets with identical hardware to be quite different in capabilities 
between EU and US.

Those of you who are El Reg readers might have noticed the story 
yesterday about how Windows 8 is not going to support DVD playback 
(licences again...).


> Google Play is no more secure then any of the others.

Though with the paid registration requirements, it does at least cut 
down on some of the nastiness. Just expect, at any rate, your 
contacts details to be sent god-knows-where.


> Do you want to run a show?

Ouch!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#5323

In article <5289868527richtnews@uwclub.net>,
   Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> wrote:
> Can I just confirm that nobody other than Charles had any contact with the
> new R-Comp tablet? I'm really looking for more details on the thing.


I've been asked to write an article for Archive.  I don't want to say any
more on the subject until that article gets published.

-- 
From KT24 

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 

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