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| Started by | J <John_news@demon_ology.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-04-03 10:32 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-04-17 21:14 +0100 |
| Articles | 12 on this page of 92 — 22 participants |
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Barclays internet banking J <John_news@demon_ology.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 10:32 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 15:51 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 16:35 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-04-03 18:24 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 21:38 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking. (getting OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 22:57 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 05:39 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-04-13 21:08 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-14 19:34 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 20:12 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:17 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 18:40 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 19:52 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 22:18 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 23:02 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 09:41 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:07 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:19 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:35 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:23 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 16:09 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 17:42 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 11:59 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:06 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:16 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Stewart Brodie <stewart.brodie@ntlworld.com> - 2012-04-10 21:20 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-04-10 21:56 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-10 22:28 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-04-11 13:23 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-12 14:01 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-04-12 16:35 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-04-12 20:06 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-04-13 12:51 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:08 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:32 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 12:03 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-04-04 21:22 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 22:19 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 23:25 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 00:04 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 19:02 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 20:13 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2012-04-16 22:40 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 05:56 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 10:43 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 11:06 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 11:18 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 11:19 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 13:04 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-04-19 21:41 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 22:07 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 23:18 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 23:12 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-20 09:24 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 22:25 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 23:10 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 12:25 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 13:05 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 13:48 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 14:03 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 14:11 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 17:16 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-17 14:14 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 14:43 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-17 15:31 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-17 17:18 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 12:04 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 12:37 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Robert King <rdk13@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-04-18 14:30 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 14:56 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-04-03 20:22 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 06:09 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking A.Lefevre <lefev@freeuk.com> - 2012-04-06 16:24 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-06 19:24 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-06 18:36 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-04-07 02:05 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-07 05:28 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-07 11:27 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-07 21:54 +0000
Re: Barclays internet banking Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-12 21:39 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-12 22:42 +0000
Re: Barclays internet banking Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-13 08:22 +0100
Banking "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 21:30 +0200
Re: Banking Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 19:01 +0200
Re: Barclays internet banking Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-10 19:33 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-10 22:30 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking A.Lefevre <lefev@freeuk.com> - 2012-04-10 23:10 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-11 09:11 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-04-12 11:59 +0100
Re: Barclays internet banking A.Lefevre <lefev@freeuk.com> - 2012-04-17 21:14 +0100
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| From | Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-07 21:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6f1ee17c52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4858 |
On 7 Apr 2012, "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > In article <almarsoft.4117471733148932109@news.orange.fr>, > Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > I don't remember the name of the product now, but looking it up > > during the phone call > > I think it will have been Trusteer Rapport. It's currently being > pushed by Norwich & Peterborough - details at: > > www.trusteer.com/landing/norwich-and-peterborough-building-society > > in an annoying window that nags you every time you log in! Yes, it is. Annoyance is a minor part of the problem. Trusteer's website gives the impression that it is an American company with blue-chip credentials. In fact, it is Israeli-owned, with its head office in Tel Aviv. If this seems unlikely, try *whois trusteer.com If Rapport is installed, it incessantly 'phones home' and copies large amounts of data from the host computer, to its server. What happens to that data is unknown, but I would not be surprised to find that it is analysed by government security agencies. Once installed, it is not a trivial matter to un-install Rapport. I do not understand why major banks recommend the product unless, maybe, government is leaning on them. Rapport was discussed extensively in a thread on alt.archimedes.bugs from 7 November 2011 <6a60732e52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> Tony
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-04-12 21:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <527f6d69f6see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4866 |
In article <6f1ee17c52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > in an annoying window that nags you every time you log > > in! Yes, it is. > Annoyance is a minor part of the problem. > Trusteer's website gives the impression that it is an > American company with blue-chip credentials. In fact, it > is Israeli-owned, with its head office in Tel Aviv. If > this seems unlikely, try *whois trusteer.com And where is the home base of the firm that cracked Canal+ and ITV Digital smart cards, and just happened to let the info out onto the Net (see recent Panorama)? Also israel. > If Rapport is installed, it incessantly 'phones home' and > copies large amounts of data from the host computer, to > its server. What happens to that data is unknown, but I > would not be surprised to find that it is analysed by > government security agencies. > Once installed, it is not a trivial matter to un-install > Rapport. Not too bad once you download and run RapportSafeUninstall.exe, then use something like CCleaner to uninstall all the stuff left, and go through the various directories... > I do not understand why major banks recommend the product > unless, maybe, government is leaning on them. They want to be 'seen to be doing something'? > Rapport was discussed extensively in a thread on > alt.archimedes.bugs from 7 November 2011 > <6a60732e52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> Quite read it. Should be compulsory reading. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-12 22:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a5ab787f52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4903 |
On 12 Apr 2012, Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > In article <6f1ee17c52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony > Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: [snip] > > Once installed, it is not a trivial matter to un-install Rapport. > > Not too bad once you download and run RapportSafeUninstall.exe That application is also written by Trusteer, and deliberately leaves files scattered in many obscure corners. > then use something like CCleaner to uninstall all the stuff left, and > go through the various directories... A while ago, that process took me a whole afternoon! Tony
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-04-13 08:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <527fa849d3see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4909 |
In article <a5ab787f52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 12 Apr 2012, Russell Hafter News > <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > > In article > > <6f1ee17c52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony > > Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > [snip] > > > Once installed, it is not a trivial matter to > > > un-install Rapport. > > Not too bad once you download and run > > RapportSafeUninstall.exe > That application is also written by Trusteer, and > deliberately leaves files scattered in many obscure > corners. > > then use something like CCleaner to uninstall all the > > stuff left, and go through the various directories... > A while ago, that process took me a whole afternoon! AIR, in response to your earlier thread, I reckon that overall it took me around 90 mins per machine, but obviously some of that was time that could be put to other uses. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-18 21:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Banking |
| Message-ID | <52827e16d7UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4855 |
I've attached this to the Barclays thread deliberately. I check my bank accounts (various) regularly - but often I go through the hoops imposed just to find that nothing has happened since my last visit. My idea is that banking sites could, and perhaps should, record an IP address and a simple reference and place a unique cookie on my machine accordingly, and then advise if the balance had changed since the last account access. This could save me loads of time! If there's no change since the last access on my 'fixed' machine (IP address range), then I really don't need to go through lots of security hurdles; account references, passwords etcetera. No one else will know my balance - just that the balance hasn't changed since the last access - and only me will know when that was. If it had, I could then go through the tedious login procedure and find what had changed to transfer to my spreadsheet - and then find my precise last-login time. If there's no change, I can skip all that and go and do something else! Does anyone have any idea how I can promulgate this idea to all UK internet-friendly banks? Or world-wide even! All the time saved could be spent on something more worthwhile! John -- John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses! Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject! Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 19:01 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Banking |
| Message-ID | <4f9044fe$0$21477$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #4967 |
On 18/04/2012 21:30, John Williams (News) wrote: > Does anyone have any idea how I can promulgate this idea to all UK > internet-friendly banks? Or world-wide even! Perhaps still a potential security issue on shared machines, such as your local mediathèque? You just know the bank will cock it up and do something like: Mr. WILLIAMS, John a/c# 583839283C5 Your balance has not changed since your last connection. You have €394,17 in two accounts. At which point "facepalm" is the only option. ;-) > All the time saved could be spent on something more worthwhile! It isn't hard to do this stuff on my phone. Each bank has its plus points - the Crédit Mutuel has an "à venir" display to warn me of stuff about to be taken out (up to a week in advance), while La Banque Postale tells me both my confirmed balance AND my current at-the-moment balance. The other day I used my card for €1,70 in McDonald's (a double-lattè) and the unconfirmed balance changed accordingly. This is quite nifty when some payments (even done entirely electronically) take an eternity to be dealt with. Never tried either using RISC OS. CMB might work as it still expects number/passcode, but the post bank has this random-button thing that says "scripting needed" all over it. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-10 19:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <na.505a31527e.a80520hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4727 |
Looks like they might have done something today, I was able to get in (using Fresco) and transfer money between two accounts for the first time since 1st April. Still a backwards step IMHO - it doesn't show account numbers any more when initially setting up the transfer, only account names, so if you've got more than one under the same name there is only the order they are presented in to go by. The account numbers do eventually appear when you get to the final confirmation stage. -- ------------- Howard Dawson hsdawson@ormail.co.uk http://hd-audio.orpheusweb.co.uk/ ---------------------------------
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-10 22:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <527e6a77c1alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4871 |
In article <na.505a31527e.a80520hsdawson@ormail.co.uk>, Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> wrote: > Looks like they might have done something today, I was able to get in > (using Fresco) and transfer money between two accounts for the first > time since 1st April. Still a backwards step IMHO - it doesn't show > account numbers any more when initially setting up the transfer, only > account names, so if you've got more than one under the same name there > is only the order they are presented in to go by. The account numbers do > eventually appear when you get to the final confirmation stage. Still can't get that far with Netsurf and Oregano. The Login goes fine but then get the 'not available' message. Must have a go with Fresco. Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | A.Lefevre <lefev@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2012-04-10 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <31236e7e52.A.Lefevre@freeuk.com> |
| In reply to | #4871 |
In message <na.505a31527e.a80520hsdawson@ormail.co.uk>
Howard Dawson <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> Looks like they might have done something today, I was able to get in (using
> Fresco) and transfer money between two accounts for the first time since 1st
> April.
>
>
>
Thanks for that message. For me it still didn't work with Oregano or
NetSurf. With Fresco the first two options also failed. Option 3 worked, but
what a long screed before getting to the account details. I was afraid to
look at any of the links in case I lost everything again.
It informed me that I has last logged on 27th October. It was in fact 21st
March. Hope their accounting is better than their calendar.
Regards, Alec Lefevre
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-11 09:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <527ea52961alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4876 |
In article <31236e7e52.A.Lefevre@freeuk.com>, A.Lefevre <lefev@freeuk.com> wrote: > In message <na.505a31527e.a80520hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> Howard Dawson > <hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> wrote: > > Looks like they might have done something today, I was able to get in > > (using Fresco) and transfer money between two accounts for the first > > time since 1st April. [Snip] > It informed me that I has last logged on 27th October. It was in fact > 21st March. Hope their accounting is better than their calendar. That was what I was told when I logged on to the new design for the first time, using Firefox. Puzzled me at the time but clearly it is a 'feature' of the new design which is nice to know. Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-12 11:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ant121047f7fpErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4871 |
In article <na.505a31527e.a80520hsdawson@ormail.co.uk>, Howard Dawson <URL:mailto:hsdawson@ormail.co.uk> wrote: > Looks like they might have done something today, I was able to get in (using > Fresco) and transfer money between two accounts for the first time since 1st > April. > Still a backwards step IMHO - it doesn't show account numbers any more when > initially setting up the transfer, only account names, so if you've got more > than one under the same name there is only the order they are presented in > to go by. > The account numbers do eventually appear when you get to the final > confirmation stage. You can rename any account for display purposes to what ever you want. I've renamed the second deposit account they automatically set me up with to: Don't Use! Chris Evans -- CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists' Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679 chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!
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| From | A.Lefevre <lefev@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2012-04-17 21:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fa5afe8152.A.Lefevre@freeuk.com> |
| In reply to | #4727 |
In message <527a8de014John_news@demon_ology.co.uk>
J <John_news@demon_ology.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Am I all alone in this wilderness?
>
> John S.
>
It was OK on Saturday, but Monday got the usual "Not available"
Went through Oregano 2, NetSurf the three options, then tried Fresco, option
three again, but wiped the cookies file first, saved blank file, switched
off for half minute, then it worked.
Alec Lefevre
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