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  MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 03:12 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 07:23 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 13:10 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 12:41 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 15:02 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 12:35 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 16:27 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 08:22 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 13:13 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 20:50 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-30 14:54 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Bryn Evans <BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com> - 2012-03-30 15:15 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 16:34 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 03:33 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 10:18 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> - 2012-04-02 23:14 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 19:37 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:30 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:48 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 06:01 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-04 09:47 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 15:33 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 17:14 +0100
                Re: MoreKeys "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 18:08 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 11:35 +0100
            Re: MoreKeys Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-04-04 17:08 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-04 09:41 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 14:22 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 13:26 +0100
            Re: MoreKeys Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 14:14 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 09:51 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-04 10:13 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-04-04 17:13 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-04-05 14:46 +0100
      Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 18:45 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-11 05:19 +0200
        Re: MoreKeys "Richard Torrens (News)" <News+15444@Torrens.org.uk> - 2012-04-14 19:57 +0100
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-16 16:27 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-16 16:32 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-04-16 18:21 +0100
              Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 05:20 +0200
                Re: MoreKeys "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-04-18 13:59 +0100
                  Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 17:02 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys Duncan Moore <duncan.moore@gmx.com> - 2012-04-17 03:50 -0700
              Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 05:22 +0200
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 19:29 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 21:46 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 05:59 +0200
      Re: MoreKeys Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 23:55 +0100
        Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 17:03 +0200
          Re: MoreKeys "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 17:11 +0200
            Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 18:22 +0200
      Wordwrap (was Re: MoreKeys) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-05-07 00:20 +0100
    Re: MoreKeys Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-06-20 17:11 +0200

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#4956

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:21:23 +0100, "Ste (news)" 
<steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> The !Help file says it's version 0.04, the Versions file includes 
info
> for 0.05 and the module itself says it's 0.02. Just thought you 
might
> like to know

The help file says 0.04? Crap - I fixed that but I bet I forget to 
copy it into the archive. Meh.

The module being v0.02 is correct. The front-end, the bit you see and 
use, is v0.05, but the module itself is v0.02.

I never figured out how to get one MakeFile to build multiple things 
so the front-end and the module are actually held as separate 
projects.

If anybody would like to help, I'd love to:
  * delete o.*
  * build MoreKeys (the module)
  * build !RunImage (the front-end)
I'm using !Zap's Shift-Ctrl-C mode to start the build, I think this 
uses AMU (as Make is terribly quirky).


> Also, if I kill MoreKeys with an RMKill, I get a SWI not known 
error -
> because something during module finalisation (or after) is calling 
SWI
> MoreKeys_ReadData but the module is no longer present.

That's right, the API is faulting on trying to call the module. There 
is something of a dichotomy in how a module can notify a dependecy 
(in this case, a pollword) of it disappearing. I think, for now, I 
will set a magic value of -1 in the workspace before releasing it. As 
long as that data stays for the next WimpPoll, it should work. I'll 
tighten up the error trapping anyway, just in case. ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4961

In article <almarsoft.449396619985746324@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I never figured out how to get one MakeFile to build multiple things so
> the front-end and the module are actually held as separate projects.

It's exactly the right solution to keep the module and the front end
application as different source components. What you really need is to
create a 'components' file (assuming you're building this with the RISC OS
toolchain rather than, say, GCC).

This is exactly what I do for MoreDesk - in fact, it's components file has
19 different subcomponents and builds three versions of the lot - a 'debug'
build, a 'demo' build and a 'release' build. I can kick a build off just by
clicking "Build" in !Builder.

Have a look at the "PlingSystem" build for RISC OS as a relatively simple
example.

It all boils down to creating an Env file (see castle.RiscOS.Env), a
Components file (see castle.RiscOS.BuildSys.Components) plus putting your
custom components into the ModuleDB (see castle.RiscOS.BuildSys.ModuleDB).

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#4977

On 18/04/2012 14:59, Ste (news) wrote:

> It's exactly the right solution to keep the module and the front end
> application as different source components.

I thought so. I'll leave it as-is for the time being.


> Have a look at the "PlingSystem" build for RISC OS as a relatively simple
> example.

Okay, I will. Thank you.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4943

On Monday, April 16, 2012 3:32:00 PM UTC+1, Rick Murray wrote:
> Update available:
>   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_0-05.zip

Nice utility. One suggestion:

When !Morekeys displays the block of characters to choose from, if it defaulted to highlighting the character that was used last time, this would tend to reduce the number of cursor presses that are required.

Regards
Duncan Moore

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#4957

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:50:07 -0700 (PDT), Duncan Moore 
<duncan.moore@gmx.com> wrote:

> When !Morekeys displays the block of characters to choose from,
> if it defaulted to highlighting the character that was used last 
time,

Shouldn't be a problem - I'll do this when I fix the 
module-goes-bye-bye issue. (^_^)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4965

Hi,

MoreKeys v0.06 is now available:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_0-06.zip


This one offers:

   * Stricter checking for cases where the module may be RMKilled
     without the front-end being terminated first.
     Now handled more gracefully.

   * Front-end now removes the MoreKeys module on exit.

   * Auto-highlights the last character selected, useful for when you
     need the same character a lot, like 'é' in French...

Additionally, at the request of John Williams, the help file has been 
reformatted to 80 character width (actually, 78 to allow for scroll bar) 
because it would seem that the average RISC OS text editor can't do word 
wrap worth a damn [*]. Hmm...


Best wishes,

Rick.

* - !Edit's Word wrap and Window wrap appear to be broken, it will wrap
     (absolutely) to the window width, but won't wordwrap to it).
     Even good old !Zap requires three options to be set up in order to
     get it to work logically: Type of wrap -> Word wrap, then Window
     Wrap, then Soft wrap. Or ^F5, Sh^R, then Sh^W.
     What's wrong with a simple "wrap to window width" option? That's
     something even flamin' *Notepad* can do, and you don't get much
     lower in the dung heap of worthless editors than Notepad.exe!

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#4968

In article <4f8ef9f4$0$21487$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,

> MoreKeys v0.06 is now available:
>    http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_0-06.zip

Would it be possible to have a Greek omega (for ohms) in either m or z?

Alan

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#4970

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:46:03 +0100, Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Would it be possible to have a Greek omega (for ohms) in either m 
or z?

A good idea, but an Ohms symbol is not part of the standard character 
set. Sorry. :-( [*]

Maybe this will be possible in, say, an eternity (or alternate 
reality) where RISC OS is Unicode aware and it's a doddle to do crazy 
stuff like name your files in Runic, write letters in Arabic, and 
create diagrams in !Draw with all sorts of scary maths symbols, all 
without chaos or issue.


Best wishes,

Rick.

 * - PS: There IS a way if you have a standard font with an Ohms 
symbol, simply add that definition to your mapping file 
(!MoreKeys.mappings...) but note it'll only work in software with 
that font selected, and it'll look wrong on-screen. I don't have the 
emulator running, so just assume Symbol (or somesuch) has it in the 
same character position as î, just add 'î' to the m key definitions 
and remember that 'î' gives you omega. Not terribly convenient, I 
know, but it's the best you're gonna get out of RISC OS for now.

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#4969

The following bytes were arranged on 18 Apr 2012 by Rick Murray :

> * - !Edit's Word wrap and Window wrap appear to be broken, it will wrap
>      (absolutely) to the window width, but won't wordwrap to it).
>      Even good old !Zap requires three options to be set up in order to
>      get it to work logically: Type of wrap -> Word wrap, then Window
>      Wrap, then Soft wrap. Or ^F5, Sh^R, then Sh^W.

Plainly, everybody should be using StrongED! :-P

-- 
  __<^>__
 / _   _ \         You always find something in the last place you look.
( ( |_| ) )
 \_>   <_/  ======================= Martin Bazley ==========================

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#4978

On 19/04/2012 00:55, Martin Bazley wrote:

> Plainly, everybody should be using StrongED! :-P

Not if you're a programmer...


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4979

In article <4f902955$0$12529$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > Plainly, everybody should be using StrongED! :-P

> Not if you're a programmer...

Hitler!

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4981

On 19/04/2012 17:11, John Williams (News) wrote:

>>> Plainly, everybody should be using StrongED! :-P
>> Not if you're a programmer...
> Hitler!

Godwins!

[aka You FAIL For-ever! (^_^) ]


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#5390 — Wordwrap (was Re: MoreKeys)

On 18 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
          Rick Murray  wrote:

[snip]
>
>
> * - !Edit's Word wrap and Window wrap appear to be broken, it will wrap
>      (absolutely) to the window width, but won't wordwrap to it).

Edit's Wordwrap controls what happens when you type *new* text - it
doesn't act retrospectively.   Try typing a space into an existing
paragraph to see what happens....

(I'm not claiming that this is especially desirable behaviour -
StrongED's approach is much easier to handle - but the Edit set-up does
work.   It just doesn't do what you're expecting.)

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

When you breathe you inspire;  when you do not breathe, you expire.

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#5787

Hi,

Small update - Carlos Michael Santillán has created a Latin1 German 
mapping for MoreKeys [ thank you! (^_^) ].

For now, you can download this from:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/morekeys/morekeys_deutsch.zip

The mapping will be included within the main distribution of the next 
release of MoreKeys.


Best wishes,

Rick.

PS: I don't know if it is my setup or "the way forward", however I
     noted that the default mapping on the Beagle (RO5) appeared to be
     (IIRC) ISO8859/9? I got MoreKeys working by a cut'n'paste of the
     Latin1 def; however could somebody please confirm/deny that RO5
     prefers Latin9? If so, I will make a def specifically for it as
     there are some (minor) differences.

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