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Spelling reform on the keyboard?

Started byMichael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
First post2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
Last post2012-07-28 23:51 +0100
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  Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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#4224

FromTim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
Message-ID<526f5a74f5tim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to#4217
In article <6f17486f52.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
<jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Tim Hill  wrote on 11 Mar:
> > As a very simple example, I have f9 programmed at boot with |U which
> > is handy for clearing /some/ writable icons (e.g. in the filer)  but
> > I'm 'not allowed' to do that in some programs /even when f9 isn't
> > being used for something else/!!!

> Why don't you just use Ctrl-U?  Why do you need to program Ctrl-U onto
> F9?

I don't /need/ to. I do it because I /can/. But given I may have used f9
as <Ctrl>U thousands of times.....

But because, um, it's also easier to press one key rather than two.
<ctrl>U is not always easy single-handed on this cluttered desk. As I do
not spend the majority of my time writing words, so to speak, I more
often have one hand on a mouse, and only one hand free for two keyboards.

Please don't feel free to decry people's macro choices otherwise we will
agree with you and all come to the conclusion that all keyboards
shortcuts are completely unecessary because you can always type stuff
requiring two or more keypresses in full every time. :-p

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#4240

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.855467222959858860@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4224
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:32:54 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill 
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> Please don't feel free to decry people's macro choices otherwise

Ah, but the question might be - are Fkey macros *supposed* to work in 
the Desktop? Given that specific Fkeys are defined (F3 to save...) 
*and* if I remember correctly, the Wimp passes them as keys over 
256... Maybe that it works at all is a side effect more than 
intention?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4493

FromTim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
Message-ID<527367e51ftim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to#4240
In article <almarsoft.855467222959858860@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray
<heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:32:54 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill
> <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> > Please don't feel free to decry people's macro choices otherwise

> Ah, but the question might be - are Fkey macros *supposed* to work in
> the Desktop? Given that specific Fkeys are defined (F3 to save...)

But F9 is not used for any 'standard' AFAICT.

> *and* if I remember correctly, the Wimp passes them as keys over
> 256... Maybe that it works at all is a side effect more than intention?

AIUI programs written with C have an unfriendly attitude towards
user-defined function keys which are ignored unless the programmer pays
attention to them.

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#4496

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
Message-ID<a6e0067452.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#4493
In message <527367e51ftim@invalid.org.uk>
          Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <almarsoft.855467222959858860@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray
> <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:32:54 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill

>> Ah, but the question might be - are Fkey macros *supposed* to work in
>> the Desktop? Given that specific Fkeys are defined (F3 to save...)

> But F9 is not used for any 'standard' AFAICT.

>> *and* if I remember correctly, the Wimp passes them as keys over
>> 256... Maybe that it works at all is a side effect more than intention?

> AIUI programs written with C have an unfriendly attitude towards
> user-defined function keys which are ignored unless the programmer pays
> attention to them.

No, that does not make any sense. The choice of programming language 
has absolutely no bearing on program behaviour.

Function keys work in writable icons unless the application asks to 
process all key presses and fails to return unprocessed ones to the 
Wimp.

Outside writable icons (e.g., in a word processor window) function 
keys are not expected to work. Applications that insist on supporting 
them may of course do so, but that would be unusual.

-- 
Martin
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#4508

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.7703915286758092738@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4496
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:21:00 +0100, Martin Wuerthner 
<spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> Outside writable icons (e.g., in a word processor window) function 
> keys are not expected to work. Applications that insist on 
supporting 
> them may of course do so, but that would be unusual.

Just to clarify... PRM 3-41 (aka Word Of God, PDF version) says:

[...about using Wimp_ProcessKey to pass on unknown keys...] " If a 
function key is passed back to the Wimp in this way and the input 
focus belongs to a writable icon, the Wimp will expand the function 
key definition and insert (as much as possible of) the string into 
the icon. "

Thus, while it is documented behaviour, I would tend to consider it a 
side-effect due to inconsistencies as Martin points out - it would 
work in a writable icon but NOT in an Edit window, etc.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4526

FromTim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
Message-ID<527481cb8btim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to#4496
In article <a6e0067452.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
<spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <527367e51ftim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
>           wrote:

[Snip]

> > AIUI programs written with C have an unfriendly attitude towards
> > user-defined function keys which are ignored unless the programmer
> > pays attention to them.

> No, that does not make any sense. The choice of programming language
> has absolutely no bearing on program behaviour.

Sorry, Martin it seems I may have been misinformed about the default
situation with writable icons. I was told by an Acorn C programmer that C
Programs have to specifically cater for every key pressed and 'enable'
function keys, so to speak, whereas a BASIC program written for the wimp
would automatically use function key definitions, unless they were
specifically re-jigged to do something else.

I can understand this is wrong and the use of the keys is language
independent: that makes far more sense. 

> Function keys work in writable icons unless the application asks to
> process all key presses and fails to return unprocessed ones to the
> Wimp.

Ah, so those programs which don't return unused presses are therefore
simply incomplete!

> Outside writable icons (e.g., in a word processor window) function
> keys are not expected to work. Applications that insist on supporting
> them may of course do so, but that would be unusual.

Going back a few years, those programmable f-keys were damned useful for
inserting macros. Now we mouse-click buttons instead. :-)

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#4533

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
Message-ID<52748bf6c8see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#4526
In article <527481cb8btim@invalid.org.uk>,
   Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> Going back a few years, those programmable f-keys were
> damned useful for inserting macros. Now we mouse-click
> buttons instead. :-)

Or other text strings.

In the olden days my booking confirmations were produced
using View, together with a separate  calculator to do the
sums.

I could program text strings (such as customers names and
addresses) onto F keys and then insert them into the View
document.

When I changed to Pipedream, it did the sums for me, but I
had to write to text strings to individual files and cut and
paste them into the confirmation document.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
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#4497

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.708670470205742313@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4493
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:24:29 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill 
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> AIUI programs written with C have an unfriendly attitude towards
> user-defined function keys which are ignored unless the programmer 
pays
> attention to them.

That's a generalisation.

It isn't hard to:

  switch (keypress)
  {
     ...lots of code...

     default: Wimp_ProcessKey(keypress);
              break;
  }


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4085

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
Message-ID<526d6968a3dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#4082
In article <526d611273see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> Oh, sure. There was German German, Swiss German, Austrian
> German, even Belgian German.

> English English, US English.

> But nothing in English that allowed me to type ü or é by any
> means other than ALT+ASCII code. I spent a lot of time
> looking and googling, believe me, before I downloaded
> Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator.

Well two points...
1) If you are using Ovation Pro for Windows it contains a Characters
window (F11) from which you can select and thus auto insert the characters
you note and many more.

2) Windows itself also has a Character Map.

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#4088

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
Message-ID<526d71be56see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#4085
In article <526d6968a3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526d611273see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
> wrote:

> > Oh, sure. There was German German, Swiss German,
> > Austrian German, even Belgian German.

> > English English, US English.

> > But nothing in English that allowed me to type ü or é
> > by any means other than ALT+ASCII code. I spent a lot
> > of time looking and googling, believe me, before I
> > downloaded Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator.

> Well two points... 

> 1) If you are using Ovation Pro for Windows it contains a
> Characters window (F11) from which you can select and
> thus auto insert the characters you note and many more.

> 2) Windows itself also has a Character Map.

Thanks again, but no thanks.

I do not use Ovation at all; Easiwriter suits me fine for
documents under RISC OS.

Under Windows it is normally e-mail I write. I have Open
Office installed just in case, but for the very occasional
simple WP WordPad does just fine.

See my answer to John Williams for my thoughts on character
windows etc.

For words like Frühstück or élevé having to break off typing
twice during one word in order to selct characters from a
list is, for me, not acceptable.

ALT+ASCII is preferable to that, IMO.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4099

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
Message-ID<526da04db6dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#4088
In article <526d71be56see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
[Snippy]
> For words like Frühstück or élevé having to break off typing
> twice during one word in order to selct characters from a
> list is, for me, not acceptable.

> ALT+ASCII is preferable to that, IMO.

Mmnnn!
I'm a lazy sod, and always try to take the easiest route, and as things
stand, something like XChars or maybe ZoomChars under RO or the
ubiquituous Character map on windows are the easiest route if I ever have
to write in (foreign) characters.

I guess the situation is a bit different for you business wise, but
outside of that, if the character doesn't present in one of the character
map/insert windows, I'm not going to bother.

I would have though, unless you've memorises them all, Alt+ASCII would be
a lot more bother.

Again from a personal perspective, I wouldn't be able to remember them
anyway, so I do need the other method.

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#4106

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.5490286723018162205@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4099
On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 07:03:24 +0000 (GMT), Dave Symes 
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> ubiquituous Character map on windows are the easiest route if I 
ever have
> to write in (foreign) characters.

Ah, well there is a big difference between using the odd character 
and writing in a language that uses accents...


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4110

FromJim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
Message-ID<526dac2f0cnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>
In reply to#4088
In article <526d71be56see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <526d6968a3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:


> I do not use Ovation at all; Easiwriter suits me fine for documents
> under RISC OS.


> For words like Frühstück or élevé having to break off typing twice
> during one word in order to selct characters from a list is, for me, not
> acceptable.

With TechWriter I've set it so it gives me accented 'e' chars if I quickly
type the pound key twice or three times in succession. I may be wrong, but
I assume EW has the same sorts of facilities by more than one route.

Slainte,

Jim

-- 
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
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#4111

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
Message-ID<526dc8875edave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#4110
In article <526dac2f0cnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
   Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526d71be56see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
> News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <526d6968a3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> > <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:


> > I do not use Ovation at all; Easiwriter suits me fine for documents
> > under RISC OS.


> > For words like Frühstück or élevé having to break off typing twice
> > during one word in order to selct characters from a list is, for me,
> > not acceptable.

> With TechWriter I've set it so it gives me accented 'e' chars if I
> quickly type the pound key twice or three times in succession. I may be
> wrong, but I assume EW has the same sorts of facilities by more than one
> route.

> Slainte,

> Jim

Sorry, I have to correct some very bad attribution in this thread... It's
enough to make me dribble in my beard.

My views on mere word processors (Any OS) are known.

I, Dave Symes, do not, under any circumstances, want to be associated with
Easiwriter, I don't have it, don't want it, and wouldn't stoop to use it
if I had it.
(As noted above that goes for any mere word processor not just EW).

I *do* use Ovation Pro... On both RO and MS-Windows. ;-)

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#4121

FromJim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
Message-ID<526dcfced4noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
In reply to#4111
In article <526dc8875edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <526dac2f0cnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
>    <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:


> > > For words like Frühstück or élevé having to break off typing twice
> > > during one word in order to selct characters from a list is, for me,
> > > not acceptable.

> > With TechWriter I've set it so it gives me accented 'e' chars if I
> > quickly type the pound key twice or three times in succession. I may
> > be wrong, but I assume EW has the same sorts of facilities by more
> > than one route.

> Sorry, I have to correct some very bad attribution in this thread...
> It's enough to make me dribble in my beard.

> My views on mere word processors (Any OS) are known.

Since TW isn't a "mere word processor" the relevance escapes me. But you
are clearly able to make your own mis-judgements as you choose. ;->

> I, Dave Symes, do not, under any circumstances, want to be associated
> with Easiwriter, I don't have it, don't want it, and wouldn't stoop to
> use it if I had it. (As noted above that goes for any mere word
> processor not just EW).

Not clear if that is based on your actually having spent time using them or
not. But your loss isn't my problem, so fair enough.  ;->

Slainte,

Jim

-- 
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
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#4131

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
Message-ID<526de34ae8dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#4121
In article <526dcfced4noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
   Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

[Snippy]
> Not clear if that is based on your actually having spent time using them
> or not. But your loss isn't my problem, so fair enough.  ;->

> Slainte,

> Jim

Yes, I've used a number of WPs in the past, but that's neither here nor
there... The wrong attribution was.

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#4124

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.5775272631189644552@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4111
On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:22:46 +0000 (GMT), Dave Symes 
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> enough to make me dribble in my beard.

Isn't that just called "getting old"? <ducks>


> Easiwriter, I don't have it, don't want it, and wouldn't stoop to 
use it

So what's so bad? A word processor takes text and formats it. DTP is 
WP on drugs.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4113

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
Message-ID<526dc9bf97see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#4110
In article <526dac2f0cnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526d71be56see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
> wrote:
> > In article <526d6968a3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> > <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:


> > I do not use Ovation at all; Easiwriter suits me fine
> > for documents under RISC OS.


> > For words like Frühstück or élevé having to break off
> > typing twice during one word in order to selct
> > characters from a list is, for me, not acceptable.

> With TechWriter I've set it so it gives me accented 'e'
> chars if I quickly type the pound key twice or three
> times in succession. I may be wrong, but I assume EW has
> the same sorts of facilities by more than one route.

Sure, EW has the same if I wanted, but it is restricted to
EW / TW. I actually have to make sure that it is disabled
when ever I upgrade EW (which has not happened since late
2009). I still have a copy of an e-mail from Stewy dated Nov
2004 reminding me how to tweak certain things each time I
upgrade...

These days around 80% of the stuff I write is e-mail, which
probably increases to 90% of the stuff I write in German,
which in turn is probably 45% of all the e-mail that I send.

Using the facilities that are system wide makes sense

I have lots of German (and French) documents created within
EW, but they have been there since the days of  EW 4.00.
They get tweaked every so often, but basicly they are
printed when need, blanks filled in with a pen and the
finished document sent by fax (which takes me about 10% of
the time it would take to fill in the blanks online, convert
to a PDF, attach to an e-mail etc.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
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#4092

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.7856637915864181018@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4085
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:03:48 +0000 (GMT), Dave Symes 
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> 2) Windows itself also has a Character Map.

So does RISC OS. There's even "an app for it", got UnicodeMap on my 
phone, sucky UI but it works. ;-)

That said, CharMap is great for those elusive things like sexed 
quotes or whatever, but imagine writing to a French girlfriend if you 
had to stop and use the character map for each accent, you'd go 
postal before the end of the first paragraph!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4100

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
Message-ID<526dabbfe5see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#4092
In article <almarsoft.7856637915864181018@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:03:48 +0000 (GMT), Dave Symes
> <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > 2) Windows itself also has a Character Map.

> So does RISC OS. There's even "an app for it", got
> UnicodeMap on my phone, sucky UI but it works. ;-)

> That said, CharMap is great for those elusive things like
> sexed quotes

Gave up on them some years ago. And they are not e-mail
friendly either.

> or whatever, but imagine writing to a French girlfriend
> if you had to stop and use the character map for each
> accent, you'd go postal before the end of the first
> paragraph!

Exactement, chéri.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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