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  Building RISC OS Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 16:42 +0100
    Re: Building RISC OS Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-03-05 15:54 +0000
      Re: Building RISC OS Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 17:59 +0100
        Re: Building RISC OS Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-03-05 17:23 +0000
          Re: Building RISC OS Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-05 20:22 +0000
            Re: Building RISC OS Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 22:13 +0000
            Re: Building RISC OS Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 00:48 +0000
        Re: Building RISC OS "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-08 01:57 +0000
          Re: Building RISC OS Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 02:14 +0100
            Re: Building RISC OS "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-09 15:34 +0000
    Re: Building RISC OS Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-03-05 20:58 +0000
      Re: Building RISC OS Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 07:52 +0100
      Re: Building RISC OS Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 13:50 +0000

#3957 — Building RISC OS

Quickie question : if I got the latest tools CD and downloaded the 
sources (must it be CVS or are tarballs reasonably up to date?), can 
I drop the lot into RPCEmu running RO5, and get it to build 
everything?

How much memory should I allocate to the thing? I ask because 
PortableUbuntu with 640Mb allocated *failed* to build Qt4 (ran out of 
memory!). I really hope RISC OS isn't so frivolous.

Roughly how long does a full build take on a StrongARM RiscPC? I can 
tweak my estimate from a benchmark.

And, finally, do I stand a hope in hell of getting it to work on my 
real ARM710 RiscPC (RO3.7)?


Thanks.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3958

Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Quickie question : if I got the latest tools CD and downloaded the 
> sources (must it be CVS or are tarballs reasonably up to date?), can 
> I drop the lot into RPCEmu running RO5, and get it to build 
> everything?

Yes.  I believe ROOL have a USB stick with everything ready to go that you
can buy, if that's easier than the tools CD.  Think that has RPCEmu set up
on it too, but I haven't tried it.  That gives you the sources too.

If you want to download, you can do a checkout from CVS or just download the
entire CVS repository as a zip.  The CVS repo is handy, because building a
particular revision often requires checking out parts of the tree with
different CVS tags/branches: 'cvs checkout -r HEAD' isn't usually
sufficient.  So either you run ROOL's checkout script and get a source tree
that's good for a BeagleBoard but not a RPC, say, or you have your own local
CVS that you can checkout multiple versions from.

> How much memory should I allocate to the thing? I ask because 
> PortableUbuntu with 640Mb allocated *failed* to build Qt4 (ran out of 
> memory!). I really hope RISC OS isn't so frivolous.

Don't really know for sure, but it's not huge.  16-32MB should probably be
fine.

> Roughly how long does a full build take on a StrongARM RiscPC? I can 
> tweak my estimate from a benchmark.

A few hours on a RPC.  About an hour on RPCEmu on a not-very-quick
machine (Athlon Neo N36L, ie slightly-better-than-Atom performance), due to
the quick filesystem performance.  (Note that on Windows the virus checker
kills any build speed - you may want to disable it for your hostfs subtree).

> And, finally, do I stand a hope in hell of getting it to work on my 
> real ARM710 RiscPC (RO3.7)?

RO3.7 might be painful due to filename length issues and 77 files per
directory.  But I haven't anyone say it categorically doesn't work.

Theo

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#3959

On 05 Mar 2012 15:54:08 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos 
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Yes.  I believe ROOL have a USB stick with everything ready to go 
that you

The hell...? *EVERYTHING* is sold out.

Oh well. I wasn't looking to buy until next month. Give me some time 
to talk to ROOL on the speed of their payment process.

[Sounds weird, but my cash is in euros and with a 'virtual' credit 
card, so I need to calculate the price in pounds into euros and add a 
safety margin for greedy banks; however if there are fluctuations in 
exchange rate, the payment could be rejected due to being over-limit; 
it'd be best if I can phone through and do it 'live' if possible.
It all sounds like a horrible palaver, however once the payment has 
been accepted, ROOL could paste my credit card info on their front 
page and it wouldn't bother me - the most anybody could hope to 
extract is the difference between the actual cost and my limit, upon 
which time the card will be void...it's damned useful for places you 
don't know you can trust...eBay, I'm looking at you! ]


> sufficient.  So either you run ROOL's checkout script and get a 
source tree
> that's good for a BeagleBoard but not a RPC, say, or you have your 
own local
> CVS that you can checkout multiple versions from.

Err..........???? Isn't this something compile variables are supposed 
to be used for?


> A few hours on a RPC.  About an hour on RPCEmu on a not-very-quick
> machine (Athlon Neo N36L, ie slightly-better-than-Atom performance),

eeePC 901. We can't all afford quad-core boxes with terabyte 
harddiscs.


> (Note that on Windows the virus checker kills any build speed

Thanks. Good suggestion.


> you may want to disable it for your hostfs subtree).

Just looked. I can set up exclusions in Avasti. [*] Must remember to 
do that, then. Thanks.


Best wishes,

Rick.

* - Mom didn't realise it was "Avast-exclamation", so she calls it 
Avasti and I, being the ever helpful geek, mocked her a little and, 
well, "Avasti" just sorta stuck...

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#3960

Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The hell...? *EVERYTHING* is sold out.
> 
> Oh well. I wasn't looking to buy until next month. Give me some time 
> to talk to ROOL on the speed of their payment process.

I believe ROOL have sold out of the branded USB sticks.  But I recommend
emailing them, because I'm sure something can be sorted out (eg sending you
one without ROOL printing on it)...  they're not exactly a warehouse
entirely staffed by robots.

> > sufficient.  So either you run ROOL's checkout script and get a 
> source tree
> > that's good for a BeagleBoard but not a RPC, say, or you have your 
> own local
> > CVS that you can checkout multiple versions from.
> 
> Err..........???? Isn't this something compile variables are supposed 
> to be used for?

Not really... the source has been significantly refactored at various points
(eg for putting in the HAL) and not all versions are completely
synchronised.  Having hundreds of #ifdefs isn't pleasant (there are enough
already in the code that date from the time before CVS).

Theo

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#3965

In article <Cnl*P2t1t@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo
Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> I believe ROOL have sold out of the branded USB sticks.
> But I recommend emailing them, because I'm sure something
> can be sorted out (eg sending you one without ROOL
> printing on it)...  they're not exactly a warehouse
> entirely staffed by robots.

Interesting.

When these were first announced, I asked if anyone had any
experience of using one.

I never saw any response and so assumed that they had been a
damp squib.

I was interested in getting one, but wanted to see some
comments before spending money...

Now they have all gone.

TBH - I really do not need another USB stick - there are
more than half-a-dozen unused ones lying around my desk
after donating several to student nieces.

Perhaps I should ask if they would load the software onto a
stick I posted them?

And I would still be interested in reading users experiences
with these sticks.

Thanks

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
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#3970

In article <526bda15cbsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> Interesting.

> When these were first announced, I asked if anyone had any
> experience of using one.

I have one in front of me, I just haven't got round to do anything with it
but then, that's fairly typical of me I'm afraid.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#3971

Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> When these were first announced, I asked if anyone had any
> experience of using one.
> 
> I never saw any response and so assumed that they had been a
> damp squib.

I use ROOL's native USB stick... it saved a lot of faff in setting up a
BeagleBoard.  Buy BeagleBoard, put RISC OS ROM on SD card, plug in ROOL USB
stick, power up, job done.  I haven't tried the development tools version or
the one with emulators on it.

> TBH - I really do not need another USB stick - there are
> more than half-a-dozen unused ones lying around my desk
> after donating several to student nieces.
> 
> Perhaps I should ask if they would load the software onto a
> stick I posted them?

The cost isn't really in the USB sticks, it's in the time to make them and
post them.  Posting one to them might cause more logistical hassles than it
saves.  But you can always ask.

I believe a fresh supply of their USB sticks is being looked into.

Theo

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#4057

In article <almarsoft.6423058067038781303@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05 Mar 2012 15:54:08 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos 
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Yes.  I believe ROOL have a USB stick with everything ready to go 
>
> The hell...? *EVERYTHING* is sold out.

No, we sold out of USB sticks. We ordered more at the beginning of last week
and expect them "any time now". As soon as the new batch arrives, we'll
update our site to have the usual "Buy now" buttons again.

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#4098

On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:57:35 +0000 (GMT), "Ste (news)" 
<steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

>> The hell...? *EVERYTHING* is sold out.
> No, we sold out of USB sticks.

Fair dues. You still have something called a widget. The rest though 
appears to be sold out. I couldn't find the dev suite on a CD - I 
guess a USB stick is easier to manage, mind you...


> update our site to have the usual "Buy now" buttons again.

I guess the recent show claimed them all. Not that I'm complaining, 
get them in the hands of people! :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4116

In article <almarsoft.4906659729037012844@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Fair dues. You still have something called a widget. The rest though 
> appears to be sold out. I couldn't find the dev suite on a CD - I 
> guess a USB stick is easier to manage, mind you...

Yep. All the other stuff is indeed on USB sticks - we've stopped selling CDs
for various reasons. Mind you, a lot of people just want an ISO download for
the DDE so I should probably create a dedicated PayPal button for doing that.

> I guess the recent show claimed them all. Not that I'm complaining, 
> get them in the hands of people! :-)

That's exactly what happened.

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#3969

In message <almarsoft.2764082341775575852@news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> And, finally, do I stand a hope in hell of getting it to work on my 
> real ARM710 RiscPC (RO3.7)?

Hope in hell?  Yes, probably.  But you won't enjoy waiting for it
to complete.

RISC OS builds on my BeagleBoard xM in something like 45 minutes.
You might have to run your RPC710 overnight :-(

Dave

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#3972

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:58:19 GMT, Dave Higton 
<davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> You might have to run your RPC710 overnight :-(

DVD rips so I can watch stuff on my phone runs on the NAS box (1.1GHz 
AMD generic) at around 6fps. I'm used to set-and-forget night jobs. 
Reminds me, I picked up Blood:The Last Vampire (sp?) this weekend as 
a live&animé box set, I ought to process that tonight or tomorrow. 
About to hit the sack now so can't be bothered with the faffing 
required...


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4074

In message <2766dd6b52.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
          Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> RISC OS builds on my BeagleBoard xM in something like 45 minutes.
> You might have to run your RPC710 overnight :-(

Sounds more like over the weekend.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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