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Spelling reform on the keyboard?

Started by	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
First post	2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
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  Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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#4134

From	Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
Message-ID	<526da7dcddajg@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4114

In article <csam5e86ca6d52.Bryn@yo.rk>,
   Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> wrote:
> > I have certainly seen it documented, but cannot find the
> > reference in the User Guides, though.

> See the RO 3.xx User Guide/Applications Guide - Appendix H

It's not my RISC OS3 User Guide Appendix H!

Alan Griffin

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#4153

From	Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid>
Date	2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
Message-ID	<csam1f61596e52.Bryn@yo.rk>
In reply to	#4134

In a mad moment - Alan Griffin  mumbled :

> In article <csam5e86ca6d52.Bryn@yo.rk>,
>    Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> wrote:
>>> I have certainly seen it documented, but cannot find the
>>> reference in the User Guides, though.

>> See the RO 3.xx User Guide/Applications Guide - Appendix H

> It's not my RISC OS3 User Guide Appendix H!

3rd edition, Issue 2, 2nd April 1994.

i think that different versions went with variations on the machines.

-- 
|)    [
|)ryn [vans            mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com

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#4128

From	jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
Message-ID	<251f2e9f-22dd-4b4f-b31a-34034066a426@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#4101

Russell Hafter News wrote:
> ATL+; a, e, i, o, u for umlauts
> ALT+[ for acute accents
> ALT+] for grave accents
> ALT+/ for cedillas
> ALT+' for circumflex accents

I wrote an extended keyboard driver for View (yes, View)
that let you do things like:
Ctrl-letter, " for umlauts
Ctrl-letter, / for acute accents
Ctrl-letter, \ for grave accents.

Seemed completely obvious and intuitive to me when I
wrote it: "I want a modified letter U, so press U with
a modifier key, then specify how I want to modify it".

JGH

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#4091

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.3417253834502413112@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4081

On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 19:20:30 +0100, Martin Wuerthner 
<spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> you can switch between them conveniently using an icon in the 
system 
> tray. You need to enable that feature though.

Yup, I have that to switch English, horrid-French (USB keyboard) and 
kana (plus I can write kana directly or by spelling it out in roman 
letters). It's pretty nifty.

But mind the gotcha - language changes are not necessarily 
systemwide. You can arrive at a situation where different running 
programs (that accept text) have different configured languages.

Apart from the advanced stuff (the IME for instance; needs Unicode 
anyway), this shouldn't be too hard to do under RISC OS as you can 
already change layouts on the fly. But can you plug in and disconnect 
keyboards at arbitrary times?

Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4090

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.3108991571287751041@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4077

On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:17:03 +0000 (GMT), Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> My Windows 7 netbook came with nothing so up to date.
> I had to find and download a keyboard driver creator program

Eh? Granted, I'm running XP not 7...but didn't you have an option for 
International English layout?

That does the AltGr and " then u for ü, plus some useful tweaks like 
the backwards-apostrophe (don't know it's real name...) and a vowel 
for grave accents àè etc; or AltGr and vowel for acute accents áé 
etc.

Doesn't do macrons (āē etc, if your computer can display them) but 
that's a specialist thing. ;-)

> And of course, it has to use Alt Gr rather than Alt, and I

I think at low level, there may be a difference in interpretation. As 
far as I can remember, AltGr has been "different" all the way back to 
early Windows. Kinda funny given, IIRC, the high-level API (VB etc) 
presents an "Alt key pressed".

> Windows: for ü: Alt-Gr+" then u perhps more

There's loads more if you have the right driver - çedillas and ñyaas 
are a breeze, all without weird looking keyboards.

As awful as it might sound, I would like to hack the RISC OS driver 
to use the same shortcuts as Windows. No, I'm not a heretic, it'd be 
a hell of a lot simpler than the other way around. Then there's only 
one layout to remember.

Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4102

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
Message-ID	<526dad2fc0see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4090

In article <almarsoft.3108991571287751041@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:17:03 +0000 (GMT), Russell Hafter
> News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> > My Windows 7 netbook came with nothing so up to date. I
> > had to find and download a keyboard driver creator
> > program

Could not find it, no, and spent hours looking or it.

Then Google told me I had to create my own driver.

> Eh? Granted, I'm running XP not 7...but didn't you have
> an option for International English layout?

I have XP on my desktop machine, but I seldom write much on
that. But I did install my keyboard driver that I created
for Win7.  

> That does the AltGr and " then u for ü, plus some useful
> tweaks like the backwards-apostrophe (don't know it's
> real name...) and a vowel for grave accents àè etc; or
> AltGr and vowel for acute accents áé etc.

That is what I set it up to do.

I had to start from the basic English Keyboard driver and
add those facilities.

It is Win 7 Starter...

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#4108

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.5903880306250990245@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4102

On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:24:07 +0000 (GMT), Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

>> an option for International English layout?
> I have XP on my desktop machine, but I seldom write much on
> that. But I did install my keyboard driver that I created
> for Win7.

Okay, I think it is keyboard layout "British Extended". It's been 
around since XP SP2.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4031

From	Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date	2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
Message-ID	<1333c26c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to	#4026

In message <5e70bc6c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
          Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <526cb14943news@highpath.net>
>           Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:

>> I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was phonetic, like
>> Welsh and other helpful languages.  It would make everything so much
>> easier for everyone - especially, of course, foreigners!

>> But this isn't a computing problem, so what's the point in discussing
>> it here at all?

> How to get different characters from a standard keyboard *is* a
> computing problem.

Yes, indeed, but fortunately one that has been solved decades ago with 
the introduction of keyboard drivers. Even on your standard UK machine 
you have such a driver that maps the keys on your keyboard to Latin-1 
characters according to the standard UK keyboard layout that you have 
configured. If you type *Keyboard Germany you get a German layout, if 
you type *Keyboard France you get a French layout (not on all versions 
of RISC OS, but that is what happens here on RO5).

To support an entirely new keyboard layout you would have to allocate 
a new RISC OS country number because the keyboard setting in RISC OS 
is a country number (which is why we have a country like "DvorakUK" in 
the *Countries list). Then, you would need to create a module that 
introduces it to the system and an InternationalKeyboardDriver module 
that supports that new country.

-- 
Martin
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#4039

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
Message-ID	<526cd19c40see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4031

In article <1333c26c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> If you type *Keyboard Germany you get a German layout,

Presumably that would match the German Acorn keyboard that
CJE supplied with my first ever Risc PC - they sent me a UK
keyboard very quickly and did not want the German one back.

While it would be useful for *me* to have single keys for ä,
ö and ü, all the other differences from a UK layout would
drive me nuts.

> *Keyboard France you get a French layout

which is even worse.

The french keyboards I have struggled with in France have
been AZERTY, German ones at least are 'just' QWERTZ.

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#4052

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.4357952265518937009@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4039

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:25:46 +0000 (GMT), Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

>> *Keyboard France you get a French layout

> which is even worse.
> The french keyboards I have struggled with in France have
> been AZERTY, German ones at least are 'just' QWERTZ.

You get used to the AZERTY layout pretty quickly. I'm using two right 
now, my mother's PC (installing the monthly updates) plus the phone 
I'm writing this on.
But the thing that drives me nuts is you need to SHIFT to get the 
numerals. And yet there's more, the @ on a full size keyboard is 
AltGr and 0. And, yet, the key upper left under Esc makes a little 
tiny '2'. That is ALL it does. Just tried Shift, Ctrl and Alt on it. 
I swear, if they had a contest to design the dumbest keyboard layout, 
the French one would be the end result...

The biggest irony, I think, is I can do accented stuff quicker on my 
International English layout [*] then a native with their own, plus I 
don't have to fight for numbers and certain symbols.

Best wishes,

Rick.

* - like Alt and : then u for ü ... It's quite similar to the RISC OS 
method.

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#4044

From	Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
Message-ID	<520ecd6c52.Kevin@talktalk.net>
In reply to	#4026

In message <5e70bc6c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
          Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

>> But this isn't a computing problem, so what's the point in discussing
>> it here at all?
>
>> Chris.
>
>How to get different characters from a standard keyboard *is* a
>computing problem.

Use a virtual keyboard:

<plug>VKeybord by me</plug>

<http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/>


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#4055

From	Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
Message-ID	<a6b0f06c52.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>
In reply to	#4018

In message <526cb14943news@highpath.net>
 on 7 Mar 2012 Chris Bell  wrote:

> I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was phonetic, like
> Welsh and other helpful languages.  It would make everything so much easier
> for everyone - especially, of course, foreigners!

Not entirely.  Our weird spelling often give clues to the origin of words,
and so can be of great help to foreigners when they are reading English, but
admittedly the spellings are of much less help when trying to speak.

It all depends what you need it for.  It's quite possible there are more 
foreigners using English documents round the world than there are foreigners
making conversations in English: it's hard to judge.

> But this isn't a computing problem, so what's the point in discussing it
> here at all?

Quite!  Ooops, perhaps I should not have posted.

No doubt this thread goes on to discuss the problems of native English
speakers getting cut off from their cultural heritage (if radical spelling
reform came in, children would be unable to read older books published a
while back).  Not to mention the problem of co-ordinating the change with
other English-speaking countries!

And (trying desperately to get back on topic) who is offering to convert all
our old RISC OS applications and manuals to use the new spellings when the
reform comes in?  

-- 
Matthew Phillips
Durham

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#4060

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
Message-ID	<526d2bf064see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4055

In article <a6b0f06c52.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> It all depends what you need it for.  It's quite possible
> there are more foreigners using English documents round
> the world than there are foreigners making conversations
> in English: it's hard to judge.

I have heard stories of groups of Asian from several
countries all communicating with one another quite
successfully in what they think is English, but quite
incomprehensible to native English speakers.

Not just the accent, but grammar, syntax and word meaning
all different - in other words, a completely different
langauge.

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#4058

From	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
Message-ID	<0a19176d52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
In reply to	#4016

In message <526cac3a90Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <77e2a26c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
>    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>> I am a spelling reformer and a member of
>> http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
>> English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds.

> If it ain't broke don't try to mend it.

> The system we have works, without having to generate all sorts of strange
> characters like a lot of foreign languages have to, by putting weird
> combinations of dots and ^ over their letters, so leave well alone.

Don't knock "funny foreign spellings". There is a system to some of 
them. For example the German umlaut moves the tongue forwards in the 
mouth, try it,  A -> Ä, O -> Ö, U -> Ü and you will feel your tongue 
moving forwards in your mouth. There can't be umlauts for E and I 
because the tongue is already forward for these vowels, they are 
"front vowels".

Michael Bell

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#4061

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
Message-ID	<526d2cac88see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4058

In article
<0a19176d52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> There can't be umlauts for E

Yes there can - in Luxembourgish (properly Lëtzebuergesch),
which is a Mosel-Frankish dialect of German, recognised as
the national language in 1984; the country's name is
spelled Lëtzebuerg. You find ë in a lot of words.

I have never sussed out how it is pronounced though.

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#4211

From	Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date	2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
Message-ID	<526ebfee31tim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to	#4061

In article <526d2cac88see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <0a19176d52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael
>    Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> > There can't be umlauts for E

> Yes there can - in Luxembourgish (properly Lëtzebuergesch), which is a
> Mosel-Frankish dialect of German, recognised as the national language
> in 1984; the country's name is spelled Lëtzebuerg. You find ë in a lot
> of words.

> I have never sussed out how it is pronounced though.

Luxembourg

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#4022

From	Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date	2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
Message-ID	<f94fb66c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to	#4009

In message <77e2a26c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
          Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> On possibility is to re-map the keyboard, as is done for German and
> the Scandinavian languages. How easy is it to produce such a
> re-mapping in way that can be supplied to users? There seems to be a
> limit to the number of new letters that can be produced, am I right?

As far as the keyboard driver is concerned, there is no limit, but 
RISC OS is usually configured to work in an 8-bit text encoding 
environment and practically everyone has the system set to Latin-1, so 
you are limited to using the standard Latin-1 characters, which 
luckily do include Þ and ð and a few others, but may not include all 
of the characters you would wish to have in your new reformed spelling 
theme. If so, then you are stuck as far as RISC OS is concerned. In 
principle RISC OS systems can be switched to Unicode completely, but 
in practice this would not be wise because few applications would cope 
with that.

Producing a new keyboard driver is a pretty technical task because the 
tools we have for the job are programmers' tools and not end-user 
tools. There is software to produce keyboard drivers (!IKHG), but I am 
not sure whether it is still available and in any case, it expects to 
be used in conjunction with the developer tools because it generates 
code that is then assembled into a RISC OS keyboard driver module. If 
you can build RISC OS itself from its sources you will probably manage 
to build a new keyboard driver, too.

The generated keyboard driver can produce any character for any 
combination of Shift, Alt and the ordinary keys, and you can even have 
sequences of keys produce different characters, e.g., on a German 
keyboard, you press ´ (a so-called "dead key") followed by a and you 
get á, the same key followed by o produces ó etc.

-- 
Martin
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#4025

From	Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
Date	2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
Message-ID	<526cb9f07bPaul@sprie.nl>
In reply to	#4022

In article <f94fb66c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> There is software to produce keyboard drivers (!IKHG), but I am 
> not sure whether it is still available

There's also !KeyMap, which has its limitations, though. For example, it
doesn't support dead keys, nor does it support key combinations other than
Shift and Control. But it might still suit your needs. Since it's free, you
may want to have a look at it. A StrongHelp file is included.

http://www.riscos.sprie.nl/Downloads/DKM100.zip

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#4067

From	Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
Message-ID	<526d3a6968noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
In reply to	#4022

In article <f94fb66c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
<spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <77e2a26c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk> Michael
>           Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> Producing a new keyboard driver is a pretty technical task because the
> tools we have for the job are programmers' tools and not end-user
> tools. There is software to produce keyboard drivers (!IKHG), but I am
> not sure whether it is still available and in any case, it expects to
> be used in conjunction with the developer tools because it generates
> code that is then assembled into a RISC OS keyboard driver module. If
> you can build RISC OS itself from its sources you will probably manage
> to build a new keyboard driver, too.

Must admit that having once tried to use !IKHG and learn about RO keyboard
handlers years ago.  As a result, the mere mention of this topic still
makes me shudder! 

Sell him a copy of TW instead and explain how that can let you remap keys,
etc. :-)

Or if Michael is keen, have a look at using the control codes in !PipeDream
and write your own font maps, etc, to incorporate what you require. I did
something like that mumble-mumble years ago to use to print maths in
documents. But I happily abandoned it as insanely hard work as soon as I
found TW.

Slainte,

Jim

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#4078

From	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
Message-ID	<431f586d52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
In reply to	#4067

In message <526d3a6968noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
          Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <f94fb66c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
> <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <77e2a26c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk> Michael
>>           Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

>> Producing a new keyboard driver is a pretty technical task because the
>> tools we have for the job are programmers' tools and not end-user
>> tools. There is software to produce keyboard drivers (!IKHG), but I am
>> not sure whether it is still available and in any case, it expects to
>> be used in conjunction with the developer tools because it generates
>> code that is then assembled into a RISC OS keyboard driver module. If
>> you can build RISC OS itself from its sources you will probably manage
>> to build a new keyboard driver, too.

> Must admit that having once tried to use !IKHG and learn about RO keyboard
> handlers years ago.  As a result, the mere mention of this topic still
> makes me shudder!

> Sell him a copy of TW instead and explain how that can let you remap keys,
> etc. :-)

> Or if Michael is keen, have a look at using the control codes in !PipeDream
> and write your own font maps, etc, to incorporate what you require. I did
> something like that mumble-mumble years ago to use to print maths in
> documents. But I happily abandoned it as insanely hard work as soon as I
> found TW.

> Slainte,

> Jim

A new spelling system has to be for RISC, MS-DOS, Unix...etc. If it 
can be done, one way or another, for each of them, then it's a 
possible goer.

Michael Bell



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