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| Started by | davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800 |
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ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-02-04 22:05 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-07 20:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-02-07 20:22 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-07 21:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-08 11:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 14:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-08 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 22:03 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 21:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 06:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 10:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 11:35 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Bob Seago <rjseago@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 14:58 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 09:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 10:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff workstuff@mail.com - 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 01:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:40 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:20 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:42 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 13:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 17:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 18:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:14 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:49 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-14 01:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:21 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:25 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 12:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 07:00 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 10:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 13:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-12 14:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:27 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Philip Draper <Philip@borehamh.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:18 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff OT T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 14:02 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 16:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:07 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:55 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 23:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 00:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 02:16 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:25 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 13:37 +0000
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526852a735alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3775 |
In article <526851f7b2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder > <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray > > <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > > > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > > > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > > > But that is a different matter. > > Indeed, water is not yet at such low level of availability to do such > > an energy inefficient thing! > > Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing > > surplus energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe molten > > salts getting a look in? > > As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides > > being an extremely rare occurrence, > It's happened in Denmark - in December! Umm, I said rare. How many times in Denmark over the last twenty years was that? Pretty small place, Denmark. Great place for which I have warm regard because of the way it welcomed my niece in and educated her without all this strip everything we can get off foreign students nonsense we have here. And Sara Lund, of course! Still, you can drive from one end to the other in just a few hours without breaking any speeding restictions. Cheers Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526880d373charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3776 |
In article <526852a735alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > In article <526851f7b2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles > <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder > > <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > > In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray > > > <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > > > > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination > > > > plants, as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be > > > > stored. But that is a different matter. > > > Indeed, water is not yet at such low level of availability to do such > > > an energy inefficient thing! > > > Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing > > > surplus energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe > > > molten salts getting a look in? > > > As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides > > > being an extremely rare occurrence, > > It's happened in Denmark - in December! > Umm, I said rare. How many times in Denmark over the last twenty years > was that? what has 20 years got to do with it? How long has Denmark been relying on wind power? A complete loss of generating capacity is not a good idea, however rarely it happens. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m02zet00t0yna003g@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3774 |
Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing surplus
> energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe molten salts
> getting a look in?
Pumped hydro will need a lot more mountains and high-level reservoirs, and -
so far as I understand it - currently has a pretty small capacity.
> As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides being
> an extremely rare occurrence, nobody is suggesting that wind power should
> be the only source for electricity in the UK.
Isn't the issue that the amount of power being generated by wind is much
less than the rated / anticipated power from the sites?
I've not spent time looking at this, but I know there are websites where one
can see more or less instantaneously what the current demand is in the UK,
and where it's being satisfied from, and lots of other things.
Industry standard(?) data is available in many formats at:
http://www.bmreports.com/
Another site, easy to understand, is: http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
I think it gets data from the BM site every few minutes and graphs it.
--
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <9r3dqnFnt6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3778 |
On 28-Feb-2012, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote: > Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > > Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing surplus > > energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe molten salts > > getting a look in? > > Pumped hydro will need a lot more mountains and high-level reservoirs, and > - so far as I understand it - currently has a pretty small capacity. > Also that the places where most of these would need to be placed, ie. at the top and foot of mountains, tend to be in places designated as protected in some way so the damage to our environment would be massive if it were done on any significant scale. > > As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides being > > an extremely rare occurrence, nobody is suggesting that wind power > > should be the only source for electricity in the UK. > This is a very real problem with the wind turbine silliness. To satisfy a significant proportion of the UK demand we'd have to cover a huge amout of our countryside and costal waters (at massive cost) and we'd *still* need to have sufficient 'normal' generating capacity to cope with the entire peak demand for when the wind isn't blowing. This doesn't happen often but it does happen, and sometimes during very cold weather. So the capital costs would be more than double because you need belt and braces. > Isn't the issue that the amount of power being generated by wind is much > less than the rated / anticipated power from the sites? > Yes. It's turning out to average less than half of the 'advertised' output. I think the companies that installed them may be assosiated with the people selling broadband. -- David Holden - APDL - <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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| From | Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526887bd53bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3781 |
> > > As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides > > > being an extremely rare occurrence, nobody is suggesting that wind > > > power should be the only source for electricity in the UK. > > > This is a very real problem with the wind turbine silliness. To satisfy > a significant proportion of the UK demand we'd have to cover a huge > amout of our countryside and costal waters (at massive cost) and we'd > *still* need to have sufficient 'normal' generating capacity to cope > with the entire peak demand for when the wind isn't blowing. This > doesn't happen often but it does happen, and sometimes during very cold > weather. So the capital costs would be more than double because you need > belt and braces. It is a silliness and it's a pity that the advocates seem unable to read/understand simple meteorological data. > > Isn't the issue that the amount of power being generated by wind is > > much less than the rated / anticipated power from the sites? > > > Yes. It's turning out to average less than half of the 'advertised' > output. I think the companies that installed them may be assosiated with > the people selling broadband. A utilisation factor of 7%, so I'm told.
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526895027ftim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #3778 |
In article <mpro.m02zet00t0yna003g@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote: > Another site, easy to understand, is: > http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ I think it gets data from the BM > site every few minutes and graphs it. Brilliant but where's the 'OFF' button? ;-D -- Tim Hill of timil.com . . . * supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone * has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ * accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@ ... "Have more than though showest; speak less than thou knowest; lend less than thou owest" K Lear, Act i, Sc.4
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268860019Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3774 |
In article <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > even some nuclear are all part of the mix we need to look at. Nuclear has to be the main source to handle the majority of our needs. It's the only reliable supply. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <932c886852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com> |
| In reply to | #3784 |
In message <5268860019Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
> Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > even some nuclear are all part of the mix we need to look at.
>
> Nuclear has to be the main source to handle the majority of our needs.
>
> It's the only reliable supply.
>
A word of caution - after seeing the program about the Japan disaster -
with their power plant.
The company seemingly not telling the government/people what was
happening.
No backup method of cooling - when no electricity available.
No robotic devices to send in to see what is happening early on/open
and shut valves.
I hope the ones in charge home here are better prepared!!
--
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <52688d97b7Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3786 |
In article <932c886852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>, <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote: > I hope the ones in charge home here are better prepared!! Fortunately the UK is geologically far more stable than many other parts of the world but I agree, lessons must always be learned from events of this nature and there is no place for complacency. I know that government agencies are far from perfect but I feel that such things shouldn't be in the hands of private companies in any case. Actually, I don't think the supply of water or energy should be in the hands of private companies at all - especially foreign ones! -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5d21906852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com> |
| In reply to | #3788 |
In message <52688d97b7Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <932c886852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>,
> <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote:
> > I hope the ones in charge home here are better prepared!!
>
> Fortunately the UK is geologically far more stable than many other
> parts of the world but I agree, lessons must always be learned from
> events of this nature and there is no place for complacency.
>
Was the Power plant badly damaged - cracked pipes maybe -
If the power lines went down - they have to shut down - which needs
power - also the cooling has to continue.
If the backup generator/s don't fire up!!!
You don't need a earthquake for that to happen :-(
You need something like a Large Russian helicopter to bring in a
complete Diesel Gen/fuel - FAST.
Didn't the old BBC Bs get used in the eary N power stations.
--
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526890e791charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3789 |
In article <5d21906852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>, <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote: > In message <52688d97b7Spambin@argonet.co.uk> > Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <932c886852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>, > > <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote: > > > I hope the ones in charge home here are better prepared!! > > > > Fortunately the UK is geologically far more stable than many other > > parts of the world but I agree, lessons must always be learned from > > events of this nature and there is no place for complacency. > > > Was the Power plant badly damaged - cracked pipes maybe - > If the power lines went down - they have to shut down - which needs > power - also the cooling has to continue. > If the backup generator/s don't fire up!!! > You don't need a earthquake for that to happen :-( > You need something like a Large Russian helicopter to bring in a > complete Diesel Gen/fuel - FAST. > Didn't the old BBC Bs get used in the eary N power stations. and even old CPS Emitron cameras were deployed in some. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526895c303Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3789 |
In article <5d21906852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>, <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote: > Was the Power plant badly damaged - cracked pipes maybe - > If the power lines went down - they have to shut down - which needs > power - also the cooling has to continue. > If the backup generator/s don't fire up!!! > You don't need a earthquake for that to happen :-( > You need something like a Large Russian helicopter to bring in a > complete Diesel Gen/fuel - FAST. As I said: "lessons must always be learned from events of this nature and there is no place for complacency". -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <e99dbe6852.chris.shepheard@shepheard.plus.com> |
| In reply to | #3789 |
In message <5d21906852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
> You need something like a Large Russian helicopter to bring in a
> complete Diesel Gen/fuel - FAST.
Yes, but even then it's a good idea to make sure the connection points
for the external power aren't located in a floodable basement!
Chris
--
Chris Shepheard writing as himself
chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk
from far west Surrey www.chrispics.co.uk
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| From | Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <7247c26852.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3810 |
On 28 Feb 2012 Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk>
wrote:
> In message <5d21906852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
> cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:
>> You need something like a Large Russian helicopter to bring in a
>> complete Diesel Gen/fuel - FAST.
> Yes, but even then it's a good idea to make sure the connection points
> for the external power aren't located in a floodable basement!
Yes, the flooding of the Mythe water treatment works in Tewkesbury
during the flood of 2007 brought that home to many!
With best wishes,
Peter.
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and \/ __ __ \ England.
family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.4373339092695005556@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3786 |
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:38:50 GMT, cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote: > A word of caution - after seeing the program about the Japan disaster Do remember that Fukushima is like all the worst case scenarios merged into one. > The company seemingly not telling the government/people what was > happening. Sadly, I think this is part of the honour / losing face ideal. Of course, they don't realise nobody cares who loses face when there's a bloody big bang. > No backup method of cooling - when no electricity available. Utter frigging hairy grease-covered dandruff-laden rotting BOLLOCKS. ;-) Take a moment for the icky visuals. Anyway... There were numerous levels of "backup": If the internal generation failed, there were pumps connected to the external grid. If the external grid failed, there were diesel pumps that could run the cooling for around eight hours. If the diesel pumps failed, there were manual pumps but I'm not sure how effective they would be as I don't imagine anybody expected a failure that massive [*]... ...which is sadly what they got - the internal power ceased during auto-shutdown, the 9.0 shook the pylons to the ground cutting off external power, and the tsunami trashed the diesel pumps. Do remember that whether or not you consider this to be a "disaster" depends upon how you look at it. This was an operating functional nuclear power station that got shaken, stirred, soaked, yanked off the grid, and kicked in the balls repeatedly. I think actually, given all that happened, the outcome has been pretty good. Sure, there can be lots of finger pointing, but it looks like we might have one possibly two cracked reactors, a few non-nuclear explosions, and sadly the inevitable contamination, though exactly how much is open to a lot of speculation. The people there did the best they could with what they had when leadership did what leadership is best at (damn near nothing until the gravity of the situation was rammed home), and we didn't have a single mushroom cloud, never mind four of them, nor did we have an explosion blowing apart the building and exposing the core to the outside world and dumping highly radioactive gunk for miles. When you think about what happened and what the most probable outcome was likely to be, Fukushima turned out better than "worst case scenario". Of course, there are lots of improvements that can be implemented in lots of ways (not just other power stations), and I hope the Japanese take that on board in a practical way instead of the sorts of "we'll look into it" approaches I get at my place of work; however don't lose track of the fact that "shit happens", and this was that cranked up to eleven. Of course, if you happen to have a foolproof plan for what to do in a 9.0 followed by a wall of water several metres high...you know, we'd *ALL* like to hear it. Sometimes the only viable response is "oh cra..........". * - a depressingly large number of people died in designated muster points as it was considered that these places were out of reach of the tsunami waters. The fact that all the people gathered inside drowned as the building filled to near roof level shows that this event was way beyond anything anybody had planned for. > No robotic devices to send in to see what is happening early on/open Indeed, given it's like... *Japan*... I'm actually surprised there wasn't an army of little 'bots, you know, like those bomb squad things (although a bunch of Tachikoma's would be way more awesome). Maybe now, having had a taste of what an angry Kami can do, they might design a few for the *rest* of their power generation facilities. You know, just in case... [and if they're near the sea, they might think to shrinkwrap a pump in plastic...again, just in case...] Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526911c0c6ff@mdharding.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #3829 |
In article <almarsoft.4373339092695005556@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Do remember that whether or not you consider this to be a > "disaster" depends upon how you look at it. [ . . . . ] > When you think about what happened and what the most probable > outcome was likely to be, Fukushima turned out better than "worst > case scenario". There's an interesting article in The Times today arguing that the reactor is still not truly 'safe': that it's currently in a stable condition but that any further earthquake could throw all its temporary systems back into chaos so that it runs out of control. Not out of the woods yet? But 'better than "worst case scenario"' it seems, in that it claims they were considering evacuating Tokyo. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526916e7a2alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3829 |
In article <almarsoft.4373339092695005556@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:38:50 GMT, cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid > wrote: [Snip] > > The company seemingly not telling the government/people what was > > happening. > Sadly, I think this is part of the honour / losing face ideal. Of > course, they don't realise nobody cares who loses face when there's a > bloody big bang. > > No backup method of cooling - when no electricity available. To these I'd add the skewed targets which can occur when a commercial company allows the accountants/senior management to pay more attention to the bottom line and the shareholders' opinions rather than those of the engineers and those responsible for safety in the design. The company had been warned years ago that the safety features of the plant were unsuitable for the potential threats and that the tsunami defences in particular were insufficient. Doing anything about it would have cost a lot and the advice was ignored. A subsidiary problem was the way that the regulating ministry was closely linked with the operating companies - something not peculiar to Japan. Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <c024526952.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> |
| In reply to | #3829 |
In message <almarsoft.4373339092695005556@news.orange.fr>
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> and sadly the inevitable contamination, though exactly how much is open
> to a lot of speculation.
As are the consequences of that contamination. The /evidence/ suggests
that the consequences are approximately zero.
Dave
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| From | SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <gemini.4f4edb1400132d6c06a8%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> |
| In reply to | #3850 |
Dave Higton wrote: > Rick Murray wrote: >> and sadly the inevitable contamination, though exactly how much is open >> to a lot of speculation. > As are the consequences of that contamination. The /evidence/ suggests > that the consequences are approximately zero. Vested interests make it difficult to judge. http://www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk/reports/index.php http://www.stopnewnuclear.org.uk/about-nuclear -- Stewart Goldwater http://janusg.co.nr
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.734642679812265797@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3854 |
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 02:12:36 +0000, SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Vested interests make it difficult to judge. ...works both ways. The thing I find difficult to take with the green mob is they seem to think there will be some magical solution and/or renewables will be enough for all our power needs - when *clearly* to even the biggest dunce our demand for electricity is growing steadily. To meet this demand, we'll need a source capable of chucking out EpicWatts reliably, not MiniWatts when the weather is favourable. It is my personal belief that the environmental aspects of ecologically friendly lighting is just a smokescreen. Why is this relevant? Because electricity is cheap enough that lots of people leave lights on when it isn't always necessary. From rooms to houses to streets to factories to cities, there are loads of lights burning for nobody on these dark winter nights. Add up the watts. It is a lot. Now if you can find a way to push to have the old lamps replaced with something that consumes half as much power, not only can you spin the "costs you less" argument, but it costs them less as they don't need to upgrade the infrastructure just yet... For what it is worth, we've stockpiled a bunch of tunsten bulbs. Call me whatever you want but there's an energy-saving bulb in the kitchen and one in my bedroom. Both switch on near-dark. They're old bulbs. I had a newer one, but it gave out a horrible blueish light, I got rid of that after ten minutes. At least tungsten is both warm and reliably so. These fluorescents are harsh light. Horrible to read with, and don't even get me started on doing indoor night photography - how d'you like your teriyaki recipe photos when the rice comes out tinged with green (thank goodness for programmable white balance). Sure, tungsten affected colours, but not in a way that made stuff look putrid. We also tried halogen bulbs. Looks like a projector lamp inside a normal bulb shaped bulb. But, damn, they're seriously fragile. Doesn't do to put one in a lamp that wobbles as it is turned on and off... Even so, there's still all the routers, digiboxen, VCRs, all manner of stuff on charge or standby. More and more people. More and more houses. It's all going to need juice. Lots and lots of juice. Nuclear is, currently, the most viable solution for many places. China has, I believe, a massive many-gigawatt dam, but this isn't something that will power Tõkyõ, nor Las Vegas, nor Paris. Neither, however, is a bunch of windmills. Best wishes, Rick.
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