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| Started by | davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800 |
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ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-02-04 22:05 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-07 20:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-02-07 20:22 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-07 21:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-08 11:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 14:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-08 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 22:03 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 21:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 06:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 10:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 11:35 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Bob Seago <rjseago@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 14:58 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 09:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 10:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff workstuff@mail.com - 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 01:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:40 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:20 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:42 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 13:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 17:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 18:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:14 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:49 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-14 01:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:21 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:25 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 12:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 07:00 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 10:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 13:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-12 14:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:27 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Philip Draper <Philip@borehamh.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:18 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff OT T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 14:02 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 16:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:07 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:55 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 23:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 00:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 02:16 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:25 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 13:37 +0000
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| From | Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526482030dbbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3738 |
[snip] > The other point is getting a car repaired efficiently is as much a > gamble as getting anything else repaired in this throw away age. Proper > mechanics who can diagnose faults are a thing of the past - they all > rely on the car doing it for them, and how well they do this is very > variable. My local garage made his run business through putting right the expensive mistakes that main agents had perpetrated.
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| From | "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8rp0r.77972$yg4.2759@newsfe14.ams2> |
| In reply to | #3731 |
Stuart wrote: > I bought a Toyota Why was that? Couldn't you afford a real one? -- Bruce (who drives a Toyota as well)
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526457db9ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3729 |
In article <52642e97b7alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > In article <52642a2feacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles > <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <5264280363Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart > > <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > > In article <52640cded4bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey > > > <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Failure maybe rare, badly programmed and inherently faulty is > > > > another ball game entirely. I will *never* buy another French car > > > > of a certain make. A particular vehicle that I owned wasn't wired > > > > up correctly and repeatedly indicated fault codes that could not be > > > > resolved by three main agents, in turn. It was actually dangerous > > > > and elicited the weirdest most unpredictable behaviour. > > > When I lost my old Espace on black ice three years ago, (Simple > > > mechanical diesel, I think the only "computer" was in the radio) the > > > guy who hauled it up the embackment onto the road made comments about > > > French cars. He said neither he or any of the other guys he knew in > > > the recovery business would ever buy a french car because of > > > unreliable electrics. > > I've had a Citroen C5 for just under 10 years. I don't know about > > "unreliable electrics". > Ditto since 2002. Mine's been to the Chinese border and back without a > murmur from the electronics in over 150,000 miles in my ownership. That > it limps a bit is no fault of the car but a result of my not noticing a > huge hole in the road in Kazakhstan. > There's a tradition of English mechanics being afraid of French cars - I > first heard it back in the 1960's when British cars could be repaired > with a hammer and an adjustable spanner. I had (back in the 80s) a Peugeot 505. When it broke down on the M6, the AA man's responce was "well, it's French". Actually the fault, found by a second AA man, was due to a 'bodge' by our village garage. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.3544856289962001957@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3727 |
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:43:41 +0000 (GMT), Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > would ever buy a french car because of unreliable electrics. We had a Renault 5 for about a decade, then a Saxo, now a C1. The dodgiest electric thing I've come across is the radio problem. Prior to the Frenchie cars we had an MG Metro and this had some sort of vacuum valve thing that on cold days you had to actually open the bonnet and hit it with a hammer before the car would start. You sure those mechanics blokes weren't your average Daily Mail demographic? Are you aware that until recently there were *three* entirely different French car makers? All with the same fault? Sounds a bit suspicious to me... I wonder what they'd think of the Toyota Aygo? Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5264649548see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3732 |
In article <almarsoft.3544856289962001957@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I wonder what they'd think of the Toyota Aygo? I thought the badge was the most important bit of the car. It certainly seems to be very significant as far as price is concerned. Perhaps some people think that when the cars are built, only the ones that pass all testing first time around are sold as Toyotas, with the dodgy ones being sold as Peugeots? And is there not a third marque selling the same car too? (Curently happy with my fourth Peugeot.) -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526468ce7eSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3732 |
In article <almarsoft.3544856289962001957@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > You sure those mechanics blokes weren't your average Daily Mail > demographic? I have absolutly no idea what newspaper he read, I am simply quoting what he said and this appeared to be backed up by my own research on the internet. As far as I can tell most of the counter claims being made here are with regard to cars older than three years, which was when the guy made his statement. My own (M reg) Espace had completed 280,000 miles with only a rebuilt injection pump and new steering rack, apart from the fuse problem I mentioned. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6e12a76452.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> |
| In reply to | #3727 |
In message <5264280363Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> When I lost my old Espace on black ice three years ago, (Simple mechanical
> diesel, I think the only "computer" was in the radio) the guy who hauled
> it up the embackment onto the road made comments about French cars. He
> said neither he or any of the other guys he knew in the recovery business
> would ever buy a french car because of unreliable electrics.
There are, sadly, lots of people who will say bad things about anything
- and anyone - foreign.
I've had three cars for the last 25 years. All French. There was
one electrical problem with the first one: the oil level sensor wire
began to make contact with the exhaust manifold, causing a false
indication of low oil level. Easily fixed. No electrical problems
with either of the others.
The worst problems I've heard of with cars were a written off engine
because of a broken cam belt (Ford Escort), and two fires (Ford
Capri and Reliant Scimitar).
Dave
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.7170557585411462177@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3715 |
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:02:44 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > Which you had to do frequently. Yes, I think degunking the mower carb is best thought of as a yearly event... > garage 'diagnosing' it as at fault when it is far more likely to be a > (cheap) sensor. Cheap? Hah! Our old Saxo had a problem which *could* have been the lamda sensor. Change that, some other stuff (oxygen sensor) needs to be changed as well. That plus other stuff plus labour added up to a guesstimate of around ?600, and the guy couldn't offer any guarantee that the sensor wasn't correct and the cat was on the way out. I was offered ?1500 trade-in which was a grand more than I was expecting, so... > I suppose the only relation to on topic is our RPCs seem to last near > forever and are a great deal more complex than a car ECU. So it can > be done. Ah, but the last time I saw an ECU it was this plastic box with something buried in some sort of epoxy resin with wires coming out of it. I think you'll find a domestic computer is a little easier to fiddle with. We have OS sources, we have chipset specs in case you want to throw away the OS and run something else, it connects to fairly standard parts, there are schematics. Many problems can be fixed or worked around (repairing damage from leaking batteries is difficult but not impossible). It's an order or two more complex than an ECU, but on the other hand it is equally an order or two more open and fiddlable-with. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20120219175007.3d0203cb@office> |
| In reply to | #3719 |
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:35:18 +0100 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:02:44 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" > <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > > > Which you had to do frequently. > > Yes, I think degunking the mower carb is best thought of as a yearly > event... > > > > garage 'diagnosing' it as at fault when it is far more likely to be > a > > (cheap) sensor. > > Cheap? Hah! Our old Saxo had a problem which *could* have been the > lamda sensor. Change that, some other stuff (oxygen sensor) needs to > be changed as well. That plus other stuff plus labour added up to a > guesstimate of around ?600, and the guy couldn't offer any guarantee > that the sensor wasn't correct and the cat was on the way out. > I was offered ?1500 trade-in which was a grand more than I was > expecting, so... > > > > I suppose the only relation to on topic is our RPCs seem to last > near > > forever and are a great deal more complex than a car ECU. So it can > > be done. > > Ah, but the last time I saw an ECU it was this plastic box with > something buried in some sort of epoxy resin with wires coming out of > it. I think you'll find a domestic computer is a little easier to > fiddle with. We have OS sources, we have chipset specs in case you > want to throw away the OS and run something else, it connects to > fairly standard parts, there are schematics. Many problems can be > fixed or worked around (repairing damage from leaking batteries is > difficult but not impossible). It's an order or two more complex than > an ECU, but on the other hand it is equally an order or two more open > and fiddlable-with. > > > Best wishes, > > Rick. To be fair, your RPC probably wouldn't be too happy with the temperature range and vibration levels the ECU has to work under. -- Will J G
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.2310316522929561127@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3721 |
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:50:07 +0000, Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote: > To be fair, your RPC probably wouldn't be too happy with the temperature range > and vibration levels the ECU has to work under. I'm not sure about the temperature range, a solid state drive would probably cope better than a mechanical one; however I completely agree re. vibration. I don't imagine (HDD failure aside) it wouldn't take much of a jolt to affect the backplane. What I can see as being the most devastating to a RiscPC is humidity. I've seen more than one damp machine refuse to start up, leading to heaters, hairdryers, etc to make the machine happy. I suspect long term humidity (perhaps a more tropical environment than we're used to) could have a corrosive action as there are a number of delicate point contacts (SIMMs for instance). If you think about the idea of reseating components for the 8 bit machines, then think how many delicate things are in the ARM generation... Coming, astonishingly, back on topic (!), I wonder if this couldn't be an overall benefit to the likes of the RaspberryPi. The upgrade potential is limited, however with the design being mostly entirely solid state and fixed, there are few contacts to need to worry about. So long as it can cope with a range of humidity, it ought to be ultimately fairly resiliant, even against temperature and vibration...within reason, of course, though rather more than a desktop machine would survive. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.5979332737686797534@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3722 |
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:19:25 +0100, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > ultimately fairly resiliant, even against temperature and > vibration...within reason, of course, though rather more than a > desktop machine would survive. I should add, at that sort of price, I reckon there'll be somebody willing to put one through hell and post the video to youtube, give us an idea of how much it *can* cope with. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5264192134dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3721 |
In article <20120219175007.3d0203cb@office>,
Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> To be fair, your RPC probably wouldn't be too happy with the temperature
> range and vibration levels the ECU has to work under.
Mine is mounted inside the car so has no wider a temperature range to cope
with than in many a house.
--
*Of course I'm against sin; I'm against anything that I'm too old to enjoy.
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526418f5bedave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3719 |
In article <almarsoft.7170557585411462177@news.orange.fr>,
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > garage 'diagnosing' it as at fault when it is far more likely to be
> a
> > (cheap) sensor.
> Cheap? Hah! Our old Saxo had a problem which *could* have been the
> lamda sensor. Change that, some other stuff (oxygen sensor) needs to
> be changed as well. That plus other stuff plus labour added up to a
> guesstimate of around ?600, and the guy couldn't offer any guarantee
> that the sensor wasn't correct and the cat was on the way out.
> I was offered ?1500 trade-in which was a grand more than I was
> expecting, so...
The lambda sensor is the oxygen sensor. They cost around 30 quid and are
easy to change. As I said, garages...
--
*Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.*
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5264610436bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3719 |
[snip] > > I suppose the only relation to on topic is our RPCs seem to last > near > > forever and are a great deal more complex than a car ECU. So it can be > > done. > Ah, but the last time I saw an ECU it was this plastic box with > something buried in some sort of epoxy resin with wires coming out of > it. I think you'll find a domestic computer is a little easier to > fiddle with. We have OS sources, we have chipset specs in case you > want to throw away the OS and run something else, it connects to > fairly standard parts, there are schematics. Many problems can be > fixed or worked around (repairing damage from leaking batteries is > difficult but not impossible). > It's an order or two more complex than an ECU, but on the other hand it > is equally an order or two more open and fiddlable-with. That might be a slightly sweeping statement re complexity, Rick. 8-) An ECU isn't just a logic/fault finding device. True, *some* of its tasks are confined to a discrete set of logical tasks but in a modern car that can be quite a number. *Plus* it manages the engine itself through the complex management of the engine map, and that map is itself continually modified/re-mapped depending on a number of variables related to engine load and environmental conditions, including how you are driving the machine. It can be modified through re-mapping by people like Superchips. My present VW has been re-mapped and the results are quite amazing re driveability and economy, etc. Anyway, I ended up with a complete set of fault codes together with manuals on engine management systems trying to figure what was going on. Through many searches on the internet I knew that the main agent was lying to me and that I was experiencing a number of well reported faults. I spent several visits to a branch of an internationally well known diesel specialist who declared that it was incorrectly wired (they had a complete wiring diagram and there were wires that had been cut and led nowhere) and they confirmed faults but never did find out what was actually wrong with the beast.
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52646ebcfadave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3735 |
In article <5264610436bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Anyway, I ended up with a complete set of fault codes together with
> manuals on engine management systems trying to figure what was going on.
> Through many searches on the internet I knew that the main agent was
> lying to me and that I was experiencing a number of well reported faults.
My just out of warranty BMW suddenly started running badly - very down on
power. But no dashboard indication of a fault. The supplying main dealer
diagnosed both catalytic convertors blocked and quoted a huge price to
replace them.
My long experience of things mechanical said this wouldn't happen in an
instant. I bought a fault code reader for about 150 gbp and that said the
crank position sensor had failed. Bought one and fitted it myself. Cost
about 50 gbp. Easy enough apart from an awkward to get at plug in the
harness. Sorted.
--
*It doesn't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep *
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526481c457bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3740 |
> > Anyway, I ended up with a complete set of fault codes together with > > manuals on engine management systems trying to figure what was going > > on. Through many searches on the internet I knew that the main agent > > was lying to me and that I was experiencing a number of well reported > > faults. > My just out of warranty BMW suddenly started running badly - very down > on power. But no dashboard indication of a fault. The supplying main > dealer diagnosed both catalytic convertors blocked and quoted a huge > price to replace them. My long experience of things mechanical said this > wouldn't happen in an instant. I bought a fault code reader for about > 150 gbp and that said the crank position sensor had failed. I bought a fault code reader too. But there are fault code readers and then again there are fault code readers. One with a full set of codes, I seem to remember, was very expensive. There are cheapo versions that are pretty useless. > Bought one and fitted it myself. Cost about 50 gbp. Easy enough apart > from an awkward to get at plug in the harness. Sorted. Well done!
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| From | Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ant131403064pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3587 |
In article <526058c93ebbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey <URL:mailto:bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <526050b373dave@davenoise.co.uk>, > Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <52603c527abbailey@argonet.co.uk>, > > Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > If you have replaced an older one with a condensing boiler, they run > > > > at a slightly lower temperature for the condensing mode. This may > > > > mean increasing the radiator sizes if the originals were marginal. > > > > But after this you'll still get the benefit of a much more efficient > > > > boiler which uses less gas for the same heat output. Maybe as much > > > > as 20%. > > > > According to my builder/plumber friends you also get a very much > > > reduced boiler life with condensing boilers compared with the expected > > > life of the older cast iron boilers. > > > Depends very much on the quality of the one you buy. > > OK, but the cheapest last about 3 years, so I'm told. The dearer ones last > longer due to better construction and materials, but the condensate in > either case is acidic, leading to early failure. I had a Potterton Envoy Condensing boiler fitted about six years ago, it started leaking from the heat exchanger within two years! The plumber put it down to the casing warping because it was too thin (cheaply built), I'm not sure if corrosion was involved. Replacing the heat exchanger seemed like throwing good money after bad. When choosing a replacement the plumber said he couldn't recommend any UK boilers! His recommendation was a Weissman. I manager to pick up an 18month old one off ebay for 99p! IIRC if fitted by a Weissman trained engineer they give a 10 year warranty. Two years since fitting and no problems! > > But the life of any boiler only expires when spare parts are no longer > > available. > > Different concept from the life to failure from deterioration, I'm afraid. > It doesn't suddenly stop working because it's just become obsolescent. > > Bit like human beings, really. 8-) > > > Condensing boilers are more complicated than older ones, which needs > > more skill when fault finding. > > Umm, come on, there's nothing desperately clever or complicated about them > - they're only heat exchangers after all. In any event in practice it's a > bit like your car main dealer, keep throwing bits away and replacing them > until it works properly again. 8-) > > > Sadly, electronics (and electrics, come to that) are likely to be a > > black art for most repair types. > > Chris Evans -- CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists' Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679 chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5260f1445cdave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3607 |
In article <ant131403064pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> I had a Potterton Envoy Condensing boiler fitted about six years ago, it
> started leaking from the heat exchanger within two years!
Yes - that was one of the worst boilers ever made. Potterton got taken
over and the new company exploited its previously good name. My RS
Kingfisher (basic electrics floor standing) was still working fine at some
30 years old when I changed it for a Viessmann. I was doing major works in
that area so it made sense to replace the boiler at that time for a more
efficient one.
--
*If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make terrible?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <88c69bf3-51fe-4f48-90a5-0ba8a1ca3a94@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #3544 |
On Feb 3, 9:19 am, davehigton <davehigto...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Is anybody doing any work with embedded ARM processors? > > I've recently discovered the NXP LPC1114, which is available on a > very cheap header board made by Olimex and sold in the UK by > Cool Components. Erasing and programming the flash is via a > serial monitor. I'm writing a RISC OS GUI app to communicate > with the monitor and read the chip, erase, reprogramme, etc. > > I did some work a few years ago with the ST STR711, but that's > now somewhat dated. Anyway, now that this thread has been well and truly hijacked, the original question remains: Is anyone doing any work with embedded ARM processors? Apart from Alexander Ausserstorfer and me, of course. Dave
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| From | Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> |
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| Date | 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20120209173650.7aac16d5@office> |
| In reply to | #3561 |
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 03:20:00 -0800 (PST) davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Feb 3, 9:19 am, davehigton <davehigto...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Is anybody doing any work with embedded ARM processors? > > > > I've recently discovered the NXP LPC1114, which is available on a > > very cheap header board made by Olimex and sold in the UK by > > Cool Components. Erasing and programming the flash is via a > > serial monitor. I'm writing a RISC OS GUI app to communicate > > with the monitor and read the chip, erase, reprogramme, etc. > > > > I did some work a few years ago with the ST STR711, but that's > > now somewhat dated. > > Anyway, now that this thread has been well and truly hijacked, > the original question remains: > > Is anyone doing any work with embedded ARM processors? > Apart from Alexander Ausserstorfer and me, of course. > > Dave I use the atmega 328 for various I/O and serial translation but I doubt that counts! -- Will J G
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