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| Started by | davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800 |
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ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-02-04 22:05 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-07 20:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-02-07 20:22 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-07 21:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-08 11:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 14:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-08 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 22:03 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 21:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 06:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 10:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 11:35 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Bob Seago <rjseago@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 14:58 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 09:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 10:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff workstuff@mail.com - 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 01:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:40 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:20 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:42 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 13:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 17:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 18:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:14 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:49 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-14 01:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:21 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:25 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 12:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 07:00 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 10:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 13:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-12 14:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:27 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Philip Draper <Philip@borehamh.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:18 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff OT T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 14:02 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 16:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:07 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:55 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 23:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 00:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 02:16 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:25 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 13:37 +0000
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| From | jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <97670487-2766-4e2d-8141-9cee88063c96@hs8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #3600 |
David Holden wrote: > jgharston wrote: > > Why on earth are people using electricity to heat homes? Madness! > > > Because they don't have or cannot have gas available? Bottle gas, heating oil. Electricity should be the absolute last choice for space heating. > Also many landlords were ripping out gas heaters and cookers in the '90s > and replacing them with electric If they weren't replacing them with gas-fired central heating, they were morons. "Hi, would you like to rent this flat that will cost you hundreds of pounds to keep warm, or the one down the road with central heating?" I'm a landlord. I ripped out all the gas fires and electric room heaters in my properties and replaced them with gas fired central heating. > because the annual inspections required for all > gas appliances in rented accommodation could be very expensive. 60 quid per year, tax deducatable? They *are* morons. And installing central heating is a capital improvement, which is also tax deductable if you ever chose to throw away your income and sell up. JGH
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.154136750051215737@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3611 |
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:10:35 -0800 (PST), jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Bottle gas, heating oil. Electricity should be the absolute last > choice for space heating. So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone house. Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler maintenance. Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style heater!) not only poses a risk of intoxication if ventilation is poor (and remember, old houses are drafty so a lot of time will be taken to seal up that sort of thing) plus they draw water like you wouldn't believe. Want to see it raining on the inside of a double-glazed window? Fire up a portable gas heater. The best form of heating around here is burning wood. By preference an Aga like unit (cooks, hot water, etc) but next best is an enclosed heater. These too need to be regularly maintained. Electric might seem like madness to you, but it is quick and portable and can be stuck pretty much anywhere without problem and few side effects. If it is an economic hurdle, you might find it worthwhile lobbying councillors and DailyMail readers not to crap themselves every time somebody uses the word "nuclear". Tchernobyl blew up because of some lunatic actions, and poor Fukushima failed because of a damned strong earthquake followed by a tsunami. British reactors will be safer because I'd hope you'd get staff that aren't morons, and if the UK suffers a 9.0, trust me, the reactor down the road will be the least of your worries given there's not a building code in the land that caters for such things... Best wishes, Rick. -- Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526111d2c4see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3613 |
In article <almarsoft.154136750051215737@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone > house. As do I... > Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler > maintenance. Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style > heater!) Not sure about France, but I imagine that there, as in the UK, it is not that unusual to have a 1200 litre propane tank in the garden, feeding a (slightly modified) standard central heating boiler. I have seen a surprising amount of electrical space heating in France, presumably the large proportion of nuclear generation there renders the economics different. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52615c2d46usenetbin@free.fr> |
| In reply to | #3615 |
In article <526111d2c4see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > In article <almarsoft.154136750051215737@news.orange.fr>, > Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone > > house. > As do I... > > Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler > > maintenance. Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style > > heater!) > Not sure about France, but I imagine that there, as in > the UK, it is not that unusual to have a 1200 litre > propane tank in the garden, feeding a (slightly modified) > standard central heating boiler. Yep, big tank of gas in the garden for the water and some underfloor heating in part of the house. But (as Rick suggested) the best heat comes from the wood burners, and now that I've nearly finished insulating the old solid stone walls, they don't cost as much as they once did. Plus, cutting, chopping and stacking the odd stere of logs generates a lot of (body) heat. (you could say ARM embedded stuff) > I have seen a surprising amount of electrical space > heating in France, presumably the large proportion of > nuclear generation there renders the economics different. Lots of push towards heat exchangers these days, from ground and air source, but using 'lecky to do the driving. John -- John Mulrooney NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while. A soul that knows not to presume, is Heaven's, and its own, perfume
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| From | jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ee5c3359-e384-40a8-b573-a5a864e66c8f@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #3613 |
Rick Murray wrote: > jgh wrote: > > Bottle gas, heating oil. Electricity should be the absolute last > > choice for space heating. > So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone house. I live in a semi-ancient stone house, and lived for a year in the highlands of Scotland in a house with oil-fired central heating. > Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler maintenance. Certainly cheaper than electric heating. > Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style heater!) No, not portable heaters, they are the spawn of the devil. Bottle-gas-fired central heating. Exactly the same as your bog-standard mains gas central heating boiler, but fed by and calibrated for bottled gas. > a damned strong earthquake followed by a tsunami. ... > and if the UK suffers a 9.0, trust me, the reactor down the road will > be the least of your worries Yes. Nuclear = run around like headless chickens crying "we're all going to die!" The amazing think about Fukushima is that the emergency systems *worked*. It took a 9.0 earthquake *and* a tsunami to knock out five layers of backup systems. JGH
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3651 |
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:15:38 -0800 (PST), jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler maintenance. > Certainly cheaper than electric heating. We'll have to agree to differ on that. > Yes. Nuclear = run around like headless chickens crying "we're all > going to die!" I think there's an innate fear of things that can't be seen. I thought it was funny when the French press reported detecting Japanese radiation in Europe (what, did it say "fzzzzzt!" in kanji or something?). How about fluctuations in sunspots, solar storms, nuclear weapons testing, etc etc? Really, that the fzzzzzt! meter went up a billionth of a percentage point isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over. Actually, bring your hyper sensitive radiation meter and point it at my telly. Or at my crotch after I've had my laptop warming it for a few hours. Or just at me. And the walls. And the eco light bulb. Then tell me why radiation wafting halfway across the world is anything I should be concerned about. It isn't. It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who think radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If you think I'm being over-dramatic, there's a guy at work who leaves the microwave door open so (and I quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat! > The amazing think about Fukushima is that the emergency systems > *worked*. > It took a 9.0 earthquake *and* a tsunami to knock out five layers > of backup systems. Indeed, considering further up the coast ENTIRE TOWNS were wiped from existence, the problem at Fukushima is nasty, but surprisingly minor given what happened. Did you see the "around the site" photos on El Reg last month? My God, it's just a pile of twisted metal... Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262ade57dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #3655 |
In article <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: [Snip] > Actually, bring your hyper sensitive radiation meter and point it at > my telly. Or at my crotch after I've had my laptop warming it for a > few hours. Or just at me. And the walls. And the eco light bulb. Then > tell me why radiation wafting halfway across the world is anything I > should be concerned about. > It isn't. I was brought up on and around Dartmoor - tell that to someone and see them blanch. > It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who think > radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If you think I'm being > over-dramatic, there's a guy at work who leaves the microwave door > open so (and I quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can > you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat! He exposes the whole household to fallout? Tell him to keep the door shut! Brian -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK. ______________________________________________________________________
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| From | Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3657 |
> [Snip] > > Actually, bring your hyper sensitive radiation meter and point it at > > my telly. Or at my crotch after I've had my laptop warming it for a > > few hours. Or just at me. And the walls. And the eco light bulb. Then > > tell me why radiation wafting halfway across the world is anything I > > should be concerned about. It isn't. > I was brought up on and around Dartmoor - tell that to someone and see > them blanch. Weren't Welsh and Scottish sheep contaminated after Chernobyl and the meat was kept out of the food chain? Oddly enough, at the time, I worked in the department that analysed the implications of Chernobyl for the UK nuclear industry. 'Nough said! Just one thought. Nuclear power demands a certain level of quality assurance in design, construction and operation that ..... well, you complete the sentence any way you wish. > > It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who think > > radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If you think I'm being > > over-dramatic, there's a guy at work who leaves the microwave door > > open so (and I quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can > > you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat! > He exposes the whole household to fallout? Tell him to keep the door > shut! I recall a TV interview with an American school headteacher who's school was built on a site heavily contaminated with nuclear waste. He said that he always left the school windows open. I think that there is one serious omission in this discussion - security of supply. The grid distribution system isn't maintained as meticulously as it used to be, eg a local storm took out distribution lines and a live cable was left on the ground, in a large puddle, for some time and a dog got fried. My house is heated by a gas boiler but, of course, without any electrical power supply would no longer operate. My very ill wife couldn't keep warm, the one thing that, at the time, she must/should have done. No use complaining, the local sub-station was out too. I remember that I couldn't understand the repair gang who had heavy Glaswegian accents (great guys) with SSEB on their Land Rover. I live in the SW. Think on, as they say.
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262d56b81charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3658 |
In article <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > [Snip] [Snip] > I recall a TV interview with an American school headteacher who's school > was built on a site heavily contaminated with nuclear waste. He said that > he always left the school windows open. Someone complained that our village hall was unsafe because a diffuser was missing from one of the fluorescent fittings. He daughter, attending a dancing class, would suffer from radiation. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262ed782eSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3658 |
In article <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > I recall a TV interview with an American school headteacher who's school > was built on a site heavily contaminated with nuclear waste. He said that > he always left the school windows open. Does prevent a build up of Radon gas! -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262f4b64dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #3658 |
In article <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote: [Snip] > Weren't Welsh and Scottish sheep contaminated after Chernobyl and the > meat was kept out of the food chain? As of 17th November 2011 some restrictions were still in place, see: http://www.food.gov.uk/consultations/ukwideconsults/2011/removalpostchernobylsheepcontrol > Oddly enough, at the time, I worked in the department that analysed the > implications of Chernobyl for the UK nuclear industry. 'Nough said! We went on holiday to California in the summer of '86, one of the objectives was to meet his pen friend whom he had been writing to for a couple of years. On the day the pen friend's father vetoed the meeting on account of our radiation exposure! [Snip] B -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK. ______________________________________________________________________
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| From | Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262ffd7a2brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #3666 |
In article <5262f4b64dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
[Snip]
> We went on holiday to California in the summer of '86, one of the
> objectives was to meet his pen friend whom he had been writing to for a
^ my son's
> couple of years. On the day the pen friend's father vetoed the meeting
> on account of our radiation exposure!
--
______________________________________________________________________
Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262d9e69asee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3657 |
In article <5262ade57dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote: > > It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who > > think radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If > > you think I'm being over-dramatic, there's a guy at > > work who leaves the microwave door open so (and I > > quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can > > you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat! > He exposes the whole household to fallout? Tell him to > keep the door shut! What about the infra-red radiation coming from the fire? Or worse, that band of radiation at slightly higher frequency than infra-red. Nasty - except that his eyes will not work without it. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5262ef4df6Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3655 |
In article <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Really, that the fzzzzzt! meter > went up a billionth of a percentage point isn't something I'm going > to lose sleep over. My eldest daughter is a radiotherapy technician at our local hospital, degree in physics, Masters in medical physics, she was appalled/outraged/laughing her socks off at the amount of fuss being made. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5263fc7d46tim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #3665 |
In article <5262ef4df6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray > <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Really, that the fzzzzzt! meter went up a billionth of a percentage > > point isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over. > My eldest daughter is a radiotherapy technician at our local hospital, > degree in physics, Masters in medical physics, she was > appalled/outraged/laughing her socks off at the amount of fuss being > made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk0WzCtF0yY (Not the Nine O'Clock News - Windscale Flakes) ISTR the concern about contaminated sheep in the uk is their direct ingestion of fallout which had settled on the hillside and the radioactive particulate matter entering the foodchain, not 'simply' the radiation from it. I don't fancy eating a cocktail of unstable isotopes. According to the Independent, Scotland is free of fallout now. (Sorry, this really is a HORRIBLE ad-laden web site, Flash-free browsing recommended, e.g. NetSurf.) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scottish-sheep-farms-finally-free-of-chernobyl-fallout-2020059.html -- Tim Hill of timil.com . . . * supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone * has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ * accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@ ... "If we do meet again, why, we shall smile; if not,why then this parting was well made" Jul Caesar, Act v, Sc.1
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| From | Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5261454aa3dave@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3611 |
In article <97670487-2766-4e2d-8141-9cee88063c96@hs8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote: [Snippy] > I'm a landlord. I ripped out all the gas fires and electric room > heaters > in my properties and replaced them with gas fired central heating. Enough said Mr Rachman. :-) Much of what you say could be held up as true, but unfortunately, in building construction, refurb and maintenance, things are often not that simple. D. And before you go off on another one with the "M" pejorative, it might be worth noting I have spent much of my life actively working in the items I note above. (Still am as it happens). D. -- Dave Triffid
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <6f30146252.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3599 |
In message <5260d00500Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <dd923cab-831c-428a-9f74-16ccc14664a1@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Why on earth are people using electricity to heat homes? Madness!
> Because they don't have or cannot have gas available?
We have mains gas but still have electric heating and would not have
anything else.
When we bought our house, thirty two years ago, it was derelict and
had no heating of any sort. We installed eight electric storage
heaters, enough to keep the whole house nice and warm even in the
coldest weather. Four of these heaters are still in use; we replaced
three fifteen years ago when I retired and we refurbished three rooms
to suit our new life-style. In thirty two years we have had no
problems of any sort and have spent not one penny (that's not one
penny) on repairs or maintenance.
Our total energy bills each year are very similar to those of our
friends living in similar houses; but over thirty two years most
people with gas central heating will have spent up to £10 000 on
upgrades,repairs and maintenance merely to keep their system working.
Many people, including the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson and the Civil
Servant who devised the 2011 Census Form, show an ignorance of
electric storage heating which is quite frightening: electric storage
heaters are future-proofed and perfect for the new Green World. Read
all about our experiences and visions on my web site.
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Tutoring/NSH/NSHIntro.html
HTH
Barry
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5262231cc0dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3641 |
In article <6f30146252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Our total energy bills each year are very similar to those of our
> friends living in similar houses; but over thirty two years most
> people with gas central heating will have spent up to £10 000 on
> upgrades,repairs and maintenance merely to keep their system working.
Up to £10,000?
In the 40 years I've had gas central heating, I've had one replacement
pump, one three way valve, and recently a new boiler costing about £1300.
All self installed.
And in that time I've been able to have the temperature as I want it when
I want it - something storage heaters have never achieved.
--
*Money isn‘t everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <71d0616252.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3644 |
In message <5262231cc0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6f30146252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
> Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Our total energy bills each year are very similar to those of our
>> friends living in similar houses; but over thirty two years most
>> people with gas central heating will have spent up to £10 000 on
>> upgrades,repairs and maintenance merely to keep their system working.
> Up to £10,000?
> In the 40 years I've had gas central heating, I've had one replacement
> pump, one three way valve, and recently a new boiler costing about £1300.
> All self installed.
> And in that time I've been able to have the temperature as I want it when
> I want it - something storage heaters have never achieved.
I think that you are very much the exception: most people pay a lot
more than £1300 for a new boiler, and also pay for a maintenance
contract.
As far as control is concerned, thirty years ago the early storage
heaters were not easy to control and many people could not cope;
modern storage heaters are probably as easy to control as gas fired
central heating, but with separate controls in every room. This is
fully discussed on my web site as it is the commonest misconception
about storage heaters.
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526263e638dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3647 |
In article <71d0616252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > In the 40 years I've had gas central heating, I've had one replacement
> > pump, one three way valve, and recently a new boiler costing about
> > £1300. All self installed. And in that time I've been able to have the
> > temperature as I want it when I want it - something storage heaters
> > have never achieved.
> I think that you are very much the exception: most people pay a lot
> more than £1300 for a new boiler, and also pay for a maintenance
> contract.
Then they are mad. Maintenance contracts are a con.
> As far as control is concerned, thirty years ago the early storage
> heaters were not easy to control and many people could not cope;
> modern storage heaters are probably as easy to control as gas fired
> central heating, but with separate controls in every room. This is
> fully discussed on my web site as it is the commonest misconception
> about storage heaters.
I prefer something that works when I need it. The amount of energy needed
to heat a house varies according to many things. It can't be guessed at
accurately the night before. And of course even off peak electricity costs
more than gas.
--
*Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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